AM Surgery?
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kid's been through a heck of a lot by age 19. hope he can get his development and health back on track to help the team in a big way in 2020.
Watching the Iowa game, AM would struggle a bit as he went to stand up after hitting the ground. You could tell something was hurting.
Yes. And if you go back and watch film, he normally tries to land on his stomach. Doesn't like to get smacked in such fashion where he lands on that shoulder. Another indicator why he steps out of bounds rather than taking or giving a shot for extra yards
Here come the excuses. Im sure this will be Frost and Co's excuse for starting him over LMC next year.
Excuses? The young man just had surgery. So he must have had a significant enough injury that rest and rehab couldn’t fix it. And given how his play this year was down from last year, to the point of looking like a different player, the injury “excuse” makes the most sense.
I have zero issue with anyone on here who wants to criticize Frost. I have done it myself. But come on... we don’t get to just make **** up either.
I don't see anyone making excuses in this thread. help us out and quote one, won't you?
same genius who cites iowa's continuity as a reason for their success while calling for frost's head 2 years in.
too bad there isn't a surgery for head-up-his-***-itis.
Easy there, shooter... AM didn’t look good this year. Sometimes that’s physical, sometimes it’s mental, but he took a step back from where he was last year.
But you’re probably right... a shoulder injury that required surgery to repair probably had no effect on him.
If he was so injured why was he playing? Guys play injured all the time. Frost is ride or die with Martinez til he graduates. We will see better QBs than AM leave because of it, not questioning the kid's toughness but maybe SF shouldve been the adult in the room and told him to sit and get healthy cause he sure as **** wasnt helping things on the field.
Ok. Thanks for sharing your intimate knowledge. Why are we even recruiting QBs that are gonna leave? We should use those scholarships for linebackers.
Thanks for showing me the light.
My only problem and I'm sure others feel the same is......IF he was so hurt this year why was he playing so damn much and NOT resting getting healthy??!
You telling me between the QB group we have (who I keep hearing is one of the best crops we ever had).....NOBODY else was good enough to play??? You leave the poor guy out there to embarrass himself and risk further damage mentally and physically?
Something is not adding up and didn't all year....
You telling me between the QB group we have (who I keep hearing is one of the best crops we ever had).....NOBODY else was good enough to play??? You leave the poor guy out there to embarrass himself and risk further damage mentally and physically?
Something is not adding up and didn't all year....
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Being a new fan to the huskers and all, I’m not sure how many games do you saw this year. Every quarterback was injured this year… it’s not rocket science.
he missed games. the others played. we lost every one of them, including the biggest ***-kicking of the year.
vedral isn't the answer, and got hurt on top of it. mccaffrey might be the answer, but he also was hurt in very limited playing time.
pay closer attention, won't you?
The following comment has nothing to do with Adrian and his toughness, and has almost certainly already been said, but I’ll ask again because I think it’s legitimate... if Martinez was injured badly enough to need surgery after the season, why continue to play him? Other QB’s may have been injured to some extent. How bad, if so, was Vedral’s? Could he not take over for Adrian? Luke seemed fine at the end of the year, but the redshirt dilemma was a factor. It just seems that Adrian’s injury had a noticeable impact on his level of play.
And another issue... if he was injured that bad, why not throw the kid a bone and divulge it? It’s not like defenses didn’t know how to defend us anyway. As it was, Frost left Adrian in the trenches taking grenades.
My opinion anyway.
And another issue... if he was injured that bad, why not throw the kid a bone and divulge it? It’s not like defenses didn’t know how to defend us anyway. As it was, Frost left Adrian in the trenches taking grenades.
My opinion anyway.
Some injuries your choices are just "gut it out" or "your season is over and you get the surgery next week." Playing on a shoulder that needs surgery is really common in football.
They wanted to keep Luke's redshirt, Vedral was hurt himself for several weeks, and Bunch healthy really isn't an upgrade over Adrian hurt. IMO they took some bitter medicine this year to invest in a shot at better outcomes 2 and 3 years from now.
I'm 0% surprised if he got a shoulder done. What surprises me is that it was his non-throwing arm. Something just wasn't right with his passing all year prior to the appearance of that left arm brace. Not that you'd do both shoulders at once...kid has to have an arm free to feed and clothe himself.
I think the proper response to this sentiment is, he won’t.
Frost sucks and is in over his head. He’s worse than Mike Riley. We’re doomed.
unless someone else is named the starter, it will never be a 'fair chance'.
very fair way to judge what's fair, don't you think?
I think the biggest difference was AM’s injury was an upper body injury, while everyone else was lower body. It’s a lot harder to fake it when you don’t have mobility.
Also, I believe it was his left shoulder, so he could still go out there. Why they didn’t bring in Bunch and give him a shot is anybody’s guess. But I would assume that an injured AM is still better than a healthy Bunch. And I think Frost doesn’t reveal injuries so that opposing teams don’t target the affected area.
Just my thoughts.
Who says this?
With limited thinking I quickly put senior Tommie and Brook ahead of this group. Sure there are other years as well.
In a few years with a possibly senior Adrian, RS Soph McCaffrey, and a RS frosh? Smothers? Yeah that group could be up there.
He injured his non throwing arm in the Purdue game it appeared. That was in the latter part of the season. If we are being honest with ourselves, he didn’t look like himself from game 1 on.
Not sure if he was injured in fall ball. I’m sure the center snaps didn’t help. If he gets his head right I think he will still turn in to the big time talent we all thought he was after year 1.
I wish they had just been upfront that Adrian was battling a lot of injuries especially early in the season. I feel like by being so quiet, it allowed for an avalanche of criticism that snowballed into worse play. I'd like them to be more upfront in general about injuries but especially when your QB has such a giant regression from year one to year two without acknowledging that.
I feel like the combination of his injury and poor play led to a decrease in his confidence. I think some of that criticism could've been averted with more disclosures. I'm not saying specifics like "hey he tore X, Y, Z and is playing through them all" but generalities like "he's suffering from an injury to his non-throwing shoulder".
I feel like the combination of his injury and poor play led to a decrease in his confidence. I think some of that criticism could've been averted with more disclosures. I'm not saying specifics like "hey he tore X, Y, Z and is playing through them all" but generalities like "he's suffering from an injury to his non-throwing shoulder".
I would be my family's farm in Germany, and take the over in whatever the O/U it would be in this situation, that it's more than just a surgery going on. I think something is going on personally and mentally to him. His body language on the field took a 180 from his freshman season.
To the question of why Frost and Verduzco continued to stick with him, I have no idea.
To the question of why Frost and Verduzco continued to stick with him, I have no idea.
1971: Jerry Tagge, Senior; Van Brownson, Senior; Steve Runty, Sophomore; David Humm, Sophomore (sitting as a redshirt).
1982: Turner Gill, Junior; Bruce Mathison, Senior; Nate Mason, Junior; Craig Sundberg, Sophomore.
1995: Tommie Frazier, Senior; Brook Berringer, Senior; Matt Turman, Junior.
Well this definitely explains a lot. He did definitely take a step backwards this year. Let’s see how he comes out next season. If he doesn’t came out with his A game...a RS Freshman named Luke McCaffrey may jump him and take his spot (assuming he doesn’t beat him outright during fall camp).
edited: just to make this clear. I am absolutely NOT giving up on Adrain Martinez. If he comes out as our starter next season, it’s because he gives us our best shot at winning. Please remember guys, Martinez, McCaffrey and Smothers are ALL Frosts guys.
edited: just to make this clear. I am absolutely NOT giving up on Adrain Martinez. If he comes out as our starter next season, it’s because he gives us our best shot at winning. Please remember guys, Martinez, McCaffrey and Smothers are ALL Frosts guys.
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Don't forget when Martinez, McCaffrey and Vedral were all banged up at one point this year. Regarding the calls for "why was he playing"? Remember that the plan all along was to redshirt McCaffrey. So if you assume the Iowa game should have had Martinez on the bench, and in the off chance they win, then he has to come back in as the starter for the bowl game.
I believe Frost knew exactly what he was doing, a direct contrast to what several on this board seem to believe. Let's see how Martinez recovers and assume there's an open competition next season, I think we'll see more about what the Huskers are all about next year. Throw in an improving Mills, a season under his belt Wandale (maybe a senior season for Spielman)... this might not be as doom and gloom as people are expecting.
Well our other QB's had injuries too, you do know that right? And the idea that Frost is "ride or die" with Martinez makes no sense what so ever. Frost recruited Luke and Noah, just like he did AM. They are all his guys and he wants to win, so I assume they will play the guy they think gives them the best chance. And if AM wins the job it will be because they think he gives them the best chance to win, not because of some crazy conspiracy theory.
It’s funny how some of our posters on here assume Frost doesn’t know what he’s doing and they know better. Even though they have no clue what’s going on, if someone’s hurt or not and what’s going on in practices. It just amazes me at the number of experts we have on here that know better then Frost and any Power 5 Head Coach.
I would agree that there's probably A LOT of other factors/things going on. I think everyone expected year 2 play to be much better than it was considering how things looked as a true freshman coming in and his performance last year.
Blame the line, blame the receivers, blame the coaches, blame injuries or whatever. Bottom line is we didn't get the offensive production that most were expecting. "If the defense can improve just a little we'll be hard to beat" is where most of us were a year ago this time of year.