I dont agree , he can be a very good SUB at Ky .. NO he's not a star thats being held back .. But with proper usage and proper coaching and getting fed some confidence he could be a very valuable back up . Instead the mental side of his game is still screwed up. from last years screwing he got from Cal and with a better team ( players) he hasn't been able to overcome it . But I'll throw this in just to irritate the haters -- I'll not sure given equal minutes and leash from Cal that D Allen and Grady are not about the same player . Another truth .. pure three point shooters .. spot up guys .. they seem to be Cals least favorite type of player , he likes one on one " be better than your guy " to directly quote him type players . And we anti gettin' them
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It was his tribute to Briscoe, Saul and BJ Boston.
Problem is mostly that he's so one dimensional. A few games ago, Oscar got into foul trouble. Played sparingly but totally controlled the game just rebounding. I'm not sure he even scored. He still hustled, made plays on D, and changed the game with his energy. Carried us, really. DA hasn't been able to do that if he's not scoring
Allen is a Kentucky kid and Cal must play him over everybody else. That is according to some on this board.
The players who get more rope, are the players with the most potential to help the team moving forward. Especially the current season. That’s not just how Cal does it. It’s how all coaches in all sports do it. You’re hung up on this kid being from Kentucky. If he was from any other state, you wouldn’t care.
Maybe not but he has a better team and looks worse this year so maybe Cal sees what we have in practice daily.
I agree, if Allen came from any other state none of this would matter and it would be give him a few minutes and hopefully he develops into a solid player his 3-4 years. He still has potential.
Are you going to deny that every coach in every sport since the beginning of time have done the exact same thing?
No..they are the ones gone after 8 months on campus no matter what the future circumstances are.
I don’t even like Cal lol. And we all know plenty of what you think, because you post it over and over every day lol. This ain’t rocket science, buddy.
Ha, I do not drink, right now I'm in Miami playing golf, getting ready to head back to my Condo on the Ocean.
Your little crybaby name calling tactics don't work with me Francis. You're not here to talk ball! You're hear to belittle cause you're mad at the world cause you live in Grandmammies basment.
You do drink. You're not in Miami. You're my *****, now back to the kitchen and make my sandwich.
They are not the same player. Grady is better in all aspects of the game, with maybe the exception of past shooting skills. Cal didnt screw up Allens confidence any more than he screwed up any other players. You either perform or you do not. He has had ample opportunity to show what he can do and the simple truth is, right now, he is just not as good as many of the other guys. With Mintz back , I am afraid Dontae is now a solid back of the bench guy. Hopefully he will emerge from the pack at some time. I hope so.
Yes he did score 23 points, BUT on like 5/27 shooting. And THE reason he got the extra minutes was he rebounded the ball and did other intangibles. You made my point even stronger. Allen will get extended minutes when he contributes in OTHER parts of his game when not shooting it well (5/27). It shows that IF he is doing other things Cal actually gives him extended minutes.(Cal doesn't have it out for him) In games he DID NOT contribute in the other aspects of the game, he does not. IF he is doing other things, he doesn't get yanked. When he doesn't (often), if his shot is off, he comes out. BTW, thanks for helping make my point even stronger. It just goes to show if Allen can rebound, pass, get after it on defense consistent, he WILL play even if his shot is off.
Don’t forget Mintz was out for a couple games. Allen doesn’t get those extended minutes if Mintz had been available.
Sorry dude, I didn’t make your point stronger. Not many people are going to rack up positive stats in 3 minutes of playing. How many rebounds is he supposed to get in those 3 minutes to be able to see more PT. Grady played 34 minutes and had the same # of boards allen did (0). He did knock down 3-7 threes but again was awarded 34 minutes of PT to do that while not getting a single rebound.
you made my point stronger. Allen has to be on point when inserted into the game or knows he’s coming right back out. The turnover he committed happens all the time and was just his 3rd all year. I didn’t get a good look at his foul he committed but saw some had commented it was a horrible call. He shot an airball, wasn’t his first, won’t be his last. Did so a few games ago but buried his next look but he had the opportunity to get that other look. An opportunity he was not afforded the other night. Thank you for making my point stronger!!!!
Grady scored 2000 points at Davidson. Only three players in the history of UK basketball have scored 2000 points. This thread is about Allen. If you think Allen deserves mores minutes, that’s fine. If you think he deserves more minutes than Grady, that’s ridiculous.
No. He played 19 minutes in two games, 13 in another, 10 and 9 in other games. He got extended play, doesn't matter if Mintz played or not, he got extended minutes and did NOTHING with them. Also, using Grady as a comparison is not a good idea, not even the in the same conversation as far as overall skill set.
Grady - 9.3 PPG on 46% FG / 42% 3FG / 59.3 EFF FG%
Allen - 5.1 PPG on 34% FG / 22% 3FG / 42% EFF. FG%
In the game you spoke of, Grady was 3/7 (All 3FG attempts) for 43%. If anything Grady needs more shots, not less. On the year he is shooting 42% from 3FG, your boy the supposed sniper is hitting at a poultry 22% clip. Grady needs MORE shots, Allen, LESS. The numbers don't lie, comparing Allen and Grady and insinuating Grady needs to give up minutes to Allen is just fan boy backed. There is not ONE single stat that backs your idea Allen should get more clock than Grady, NOT ONE.
So you believe he was given ample opportunity last year and Cal didnt treat him much differently than any other player ? Thats laughable . This year I wont argue too much , Allen isn't playing well, The overall talent at the SG / 3 is much better than last year .. so Allen really needs to. show improvement to get any. run .. but the larger question is how Allen was treated last year IMO . I hope the guys ahead of him play so play we dont have to discuss it much more as that will mean we are succeeding . But I'm worried about Grady , maybe not about Grady per se , but will Cal's run around, mindless offense get Grady the shots he needs to succeed .
You have been one of the main ones clamoring for Allen to play. You claim Cal is biased against Kentucky players so you are getting your wish big boy.
I have already given you the stats that compared the last two games for both Allen and Grady. If Allen who didn’t do **** with his 37 minutes, 23 points, 13 rebounds, then what the hell does that say about Grady with his 53 minutes, 15 points and 2 rebounds. I am comparing the two because they play the same position and your point is Allen sucks and shouldn’t play but when given the opportunity is bringing more to the table as Grady is but your fine with Grady (which I am too by the way). Let’s just ignore that Allen shot 39.4% last year all the while having cal play head games with him all year which has certainly carried over to this year and putting a kid in for 3 minutes and pulling him isn’t going to help which was the whole damn point of my OP.
by the way, the 13 rebounds Allen pulled down in the previous 2 games is 4 more than Grady has pulled down all year. 37 minutes-13 rebounds vs 215 minutes (9 rebounds). For all the great shooting of Grady he has only knocked down 10 more 3’s than Allen has despite playing 136 more minutes.
this isn’t knocking Grady, I like him and glad we have him, but when given the chance to play allen has produced more than he has yet cal will never give Grady the treatment he gives Allen which is to **** on him Whenever he gets the chance.
I am a UK guy that pulls for the team. Certain players grow special to me over the course of the season. Like most other fans, Oscar has already. TyTy is as cool as anyone that I have seen here and I like him. I like all the players but I expect them to represent. Dontae played 3 minutes in the last game. My honest opinion is that he looked totally disinterested and his play reflected that. Unless he steps up in a big way, he will be buried on the bench and I will still pull for the team without giving him any thought until he enters the game.
Defense isn’t just about stats but you know that but I’ll play anyway. Allen 2 steals, 2 blocked shots, 14 rebounds. Grady 10 steals, 0 blocked shots., 8 rebounds.
Allen 79 minutes
Grady 215 minutes
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Do we? Is that why the HC spends the entire game screaming at the floor at the top of his lungs. And every timeout he's drawing up plays all over the board.
It’s been pretty clear since last year that developing Dontaie Allen as a player isn’t a real priority for Cal.
Of course! Are you going to deny that some players deserve a longer leash? It may not be the one you agree with, but do some players deserve a longer leash?
I have never noticed any other coaches screaming or drawing up plays...lol. What is your point?