All UK players get dissected. Every day, every game, every year. The ones that get dissected the most, are the ones who have a very loud fan base always complaining about their playing time. That kind of fan is what creates the microscope of criticism from the other side. If you think this is too much, just wait til Reed Sheppard gets here. He will be the most dissected UK player ever. Count on it.
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Tbf, Reed Sheppard has a lot higher rating. We will see what he can do, but I have a feeling he’s a better overall player.
Oh I’m not comparing their talent levels at all. It’s not even close apparently. I was referring to the polarizing effect homestate kids have on our fan base. They get praised more than they deserve, and criticized more than they deserve. That’s just how it is. And Reed Sheppard is going to take that to a whole different level. It’s already started.
Spot on. I love DA but reality says he's in over his head defensively most every game he's played. Yes, he has improved but you can't play major college ball if you can't play D. Player getting past him causes fouls to our big is another thing coaches hate and therefore bench time.
I don’t even remember him getting in the game. That’s how little of a chance Cal gives him.
Cal gave him 19 minutes in each of the previous two games, and he played decently well. Still shot poorly (I don't understand his slump) but rebounded, played better defense, didn't make bonehead mistakes. But last night he came into a close game and within 3 minutes airballed a three, committed a dumb turnover, and fouled a jump shooter. If you're not hitting shots, which is your one major skill, you can't play that poorly in other ways and stay on the court.
If Dontaie were from any state other than Kentucky, the conversation around him would be radically different. I still think he can be a contributor for us here, but I don't think it's this year. I just hope the pressure to be the hometown hero coupled with more pressure to fix poor performance isn't going to doom him for the whole season.
never said every player should be treated equally. You brought up the fact of his piss poor play and didn’t deserve to play, I gave you an example of a player who played poorly and was allowed to play through those mistakes but it happens almost every game. Allen is told to see the floor if you aren’t shooting well you have to do other things to help your team. Last two games he shot poorly but was 2nd on the team in rebounds despite only playing 19 and 18 minutes. Giving a player 3 minutes to perform is just BS.
Your statement about not playing above Rec ball is laughable. You know nothing about me. I will tell you I have been a paid Head basketball coach, can you say the same?
I believe multiple threads solely for Allen, after each game, goes way beyond disect. It's nuts. At this point I wish the kid would leave at semester break. The hate is far exceeding any calls for undeserved playing time.
The fact that you can’t understand why Washington would be allowed to play through his mistakes, and why Allen wouldn’t, let’s me know you haven’t coached high school ball a day in your life.
That’s how you see it. I see it the other way. Far too many posters complaining about Allen not being given a fair chance. I think he’s been given plenty of clock. He’s just not as good as the guys ahead of him. Not yet anyway. But I’m not so obsessed with it that I’ll start a thread about it. I rarely ever comment either way. But … Bottom line is, if he wasn’t a homestate kid, this discussion wouldn’t exist.
And for the record, I’ve seen no evidence of “hate”. The fact you’re using that word, is a perfect example of the over the top extremes each side uses.
Not actual hate. Sports hate. And it's there. And for the record, I'm not advocating he play. I'm not saying he should have any special playing time privileges. I've been consistent in saying there isn't playing time for him this season. I'm also saying we need to be consistent with these types of threads. Mintz, Wheeler, Ware, Grady, etc all need their own suck thread for last night.
I played high school basketball and coached 7th and 8th grade basketball 33 years ago. I still actively play today. Coaching basketball is not rocket science and a coach showing confidence in his players doesn’t change from one level to the next. Allen doesn’t have Cals confidence and it shows in his game which is why, just playing the sport is concerned, I think he should go elsewhere if he wants to play. Next year will be a new set of players coming in that Allen will also play behind and the year after that the same. Watching BJ Boston suck for an entire year last year while cal basically pissed down Allen’s leg all year and told him it was raining is proof Allen will not get a chance here.
TTW is fine and no argument from me why he is allowed to play through his mistakes. Allen will never reach his maximum potential however if he is not afforded the same luxury. He doesn’t have to get 25-30 minutes a game but 12-15 on average and an occasional 20-25 minutes when called for should suit him fine. 3 minutes, I’d get up and walk away and tell cal all the way up with a red hot poker, I can play anywhere I want.
Do not blame the **** on Cal. Excuses are just that excuses. The problem normal fans have is every time Allen has a decent / good shooting game, everyone screams non stop week after week he needs to play more. Well, when he does and plays bad, crickets. He did NOTHING in his 3 minutes to garner more playing time. TO, air ball, foul on a three pointer, gets toasted on d and gives up a gimme. What exactly should Cal do ? "Oh he is from KY, let him stay in, I mean he is is blistering the nets at a 18% rate from 3 (3 pt. shooting was the only thing getting him playing time to begin with), turning it over, fouling, and firing air balls, he is fine."
I said it before he lost his shooting touch, if he is not knocking down 3's, there is nothing he brings to the court to justify playing him. He is just so one dimensional. Love the kid, but now when he comes in, he plays like he is "trying to get his" and not playing within the structure of the offense. Thus you are seeing the terrible shot selection and not evening close to making them. I really wish he would transfer to WKU, he would not have the big spotlight shined on him, defense is not AS important that he could play thru mistakes as they do not have 5/6 players better than him. I really think he would average 18-20 PPG at WKU. I hate it for him because rabid fans turn normal fans against HIM because of them and justifying his terrible play. "Well so and so was 1/6" and "so and so had 3 TO's", and "so and so got beat of defense". Maybe they did, but they did OTHER intangibles to at least off set the mistakes. If missed shots, they rebounded and played defense, if not playing solid defense, they maybe scored and rebounded. He just doesn't have a all around game to afford him an off night, especially with the shots he is taking, lack of defense.
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Pressure? If you can't perform under pressure what are you going to do in FF with fans yelling at you on FT line with game on the line?
your point of allen only getting 3 minutes of action last night would have more merit had coming in allen not displayed the other intangibles you are referring to. But prior to last nights game the previous two games where he received more PT he did just that. 37 minutes, 23 points, 13 rebounds, 3 assist, 1 turnover and 1 steal. Compare with Grady 53 minutes, 15 points, 2 rebounds, 4 assist, 1 turnover, 4 steals. TTW 62 minutes, 29 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assist, 0 turnovers and 4 steals.
No one has argued that DA played well last night, he didn’t. He stunk his entire 3 minutes but the seemingly well rounded effort he gave the previuos two games earned him zero favor and just like that he’s back to the bench and I’m guessing will not see the floor for any length of time in the foreseeable future. Just funny how his defense keeps him on the bench but other players can allow the other team to run Layup drills but their defense isn’t an issue.
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Lot of players looked bad. We were favored by 31, but struggled to win the game. This was suppose to be the year we shot the 3 ball well, but so far against mostly JV competition we are even worse than ever. May be another long year...need to make changes beginning at the top of the program. Otherwise the downward spiral continues.
If I were him, I’d throw away those damn yellow shoes immediately. Burn the damn things! If that doesn’t break him out of his shooting funk, then he might want to look into the above. My goodness…for his sake, I hope it’s the shoes!
Oscar and sometimes Wheeler are what we've had this season. Washington had struggled. Grady has been a huge disappointment. Brooks about what I thought. Mintz has been awful. But here we have multiple threads on the guy getting 3 minutes. Some people can't see the forest for the trees.
This ^^. I like him. I want him to play 40 mins a game. I want nothing but good things for him but he’s been so bad at everything that I can’t fault Cal any longer. I hope he stays and becomes a star but as a supporter of the young man I’m starting to think he may need to consider a change of scenery. Not sure UK is a good fit for him. Just my opinion.
BS!! Wheeler is one of the best point guards out there and Washington is becoming more of a star type player each gam.
I dont really know if I'm a normal fan or not .. and for this season I dont much a argument with you . There are better players ahead of Dontae and unless he finds his mojo he wont be deserving of any minutes . THIS year . But looking back too last year is where his game went south IMO . When you the coach has zero confidence in you and looks for reason to bench you instead of build you up ... then you have a player who performance shrinks and shrinks . Maybe you have never coached before or seen it up close and personal . Its a bad thing to do an athlete trying to fit in and better the team . Cal screwed the kid over last year . Badly . This year is a result of the previous years IMO... and its my opinion and you can post yours all you want .. ( semi) free world .
He played him a ton last year though, he played 19 or more minutes in like 7 conference games at one point. I think the not getting a chance is a tad overblown.
He might play better with an adequate team around him .. not Askew at the PG and BJ Bojangles running around . Anyway I know DA isn't MJ reincarnated .. he's a bit slow footed , not aggressive enough , ... but this nonsense from last year that Cal told the media " He cant defend". then it was " he wont shoot " .. and it seems like there was another Allen deficiency Cal complained about in the media .. I didnt think was fair to single him out when Cals Fav's were sucking ***. JMHO
Allen isn’t good enough for this level. He’d be good at WKU, not Kentucky. Most people don’t want to accept that but it’s just reality.
This is it. Air ball, turnover and fouled player on a 3....all in only 3 minutes, I can't blame Cal for not playing him.
Hes clearly frustrated.I want him to prove not only to Cal and the staff that he can contribute to this team but he needs to prove it to himself.It may be true that Cal plays his favorites more but at some point Allen just needs to look in the mirror and ask himself if this is what he wants.If it truly is then hit the gym and work on making himself better and prove to Cal that he can help....but if he continues to spiral downward then stop and realize that he needs a change of scenery.Im rooting for this kid.I want him to be a contributor.
Allen is short on available minutes and as a result he's pressing the issue. It's causing him to hurry his shot and over think instead of just react and play ball.
If you happen to run across any can you send them to me?
Are you going to deny that under Cal certain players are allowed a lot longer rope than other players? Let's get serious!
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