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SmedMoley

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This^^^^

If he barely played last year when we had players who wouldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat, there's not much hope for this year unless something drastically changes.

Time to just accept it and move on.
Most of us have. Yet every game, a segment of the fanbase gets tickled shitless that he has struggled.
 

ala_kat2

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Look at his Instagram feed. He’s in love with a girl who has taken his mind off basketball, maybe. He’s obviously lost his confidence in making 3-pointers. Wish he could just play without worrying about the pressure to shoot it when he’s not in rhythm.
 
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bbnkat02

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Gotta have a whipping boy, and some get offended it you mention Brooks. Oh well.
He sucked tonight too. And has had a handful of threads written about him.

Difference is Brooks has a game or two so far where he’s played ok.

But he’s not amazing either and shouldn’t start in most games.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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This is pure fantasy. He doesn’t have to be perfect, he just has to not make the dumb plays that he did tonight. You can live with the airball 3, but you can’t live with being totally unaware of where you are on the court and stepping out bounds. You can’t foul a 3 point shooter and think you’re gonna stay in the game.

Allen is what he is, a streak shooter. There will be a game or 2 this season where he will have his stroke going and Calipari will ride his hot hand. If his shot isn’t falling then he’s virtually useless. He’s not making hustle plays, getting steals or deflections, or anything that would warrant his getting extended minutes.
I just can’t believe he missed that 3 so bad, he was wide open, it was like 3 feet long.
 

SmedMoley

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He sucked tonight too. And has had a handful of threads written about him.

Difference is Brooks has a game or two so far where he’s played ok.

But he’s not amazing either and shouldn’t start in most games.
Where are those Brooks threads, this season? I must have missed those.
 
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Catfan2226

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I just can’t believe he missed that 3 so bad, he was wide open, it was like 3 feet long.
The sequence was something like this..he came in got the ball and instead of shooting he drove the baseline and stepped out which was frustration number 1...then he went down court and got blowed past by a southern player only to be bailed out by Toppin on a block shot which was frustration 2..then he came down and got the ball for a wide open three and missed badly which was frustration 3....then he committed a foul on a three point attempt...frustration 4....all happened in a short 3 minute frame...should Cal have put him back out later? I dont know but Allen clearly is a frustrated player currently.
 

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I don't like to talk bad about our players, but couldn't help but notice that the first time DA was inserted into the game, the player he was assigned to guard took him to the woodshed with a long 1 on 1 drive resulting in a wide open layup. Someone else on here had said he can't guard a post, and I believe they are correct. Plus his shooting suffered tonight.
I think you do like to talk about certain players
 
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revcort

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I think Allen's defense is better this year. I've seen him play better defense in some of these games than he ever played at any point last season. But that play the OP mentioned won't help his playing time, without a doubt. His shooting is also worse this season- he's in a major slump. I'm not sure if that's mental, but I have to think it is. He just needs to get in the game, play D, grab boards, and keep shooting. He's on everyone's scouting report now, so he's got to work harder and keep getting better. I'm rooting for him.
 
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SmedMoley

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I’m looking. I know there was one like “What does Brooks do” or “What does Brooks give us”. I’ll see if I can find it.
For sake of argument, that's one. Allen has one each game. I'm saying Allen gets a disproportionate amount of scrutiny from this message board. Lance Ware, Grady, none of those guys are doing any better, yet I'm not seeing them with multiple threads on them. Let's all move on.
 

Eccain01

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He played 3 minutes and missed 1 3pt shot.....what can you garner from either good or bad in 3 minutes. Toppin got 21 minute and most of those at the 3 spot. Cal said Toppin and Brooks at the 3 is what he is eyeing....so you can pretty much say bye-bye to Allen the rest of the season.
Toppin and Brooks at the 3 is ridiculous
 
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tls

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This is pure fantasy. He doesn’t have to be perfect, he just has to not make the dumb plays that he did tonight. You can live with the airball 3, but you can’t live with being totally unaware of where you are on the court and stepping out bounds. You can’t foul a 3 point shooter and think you’re gonna stay in the game.

Allen is what he is, a streak shooter. There will be a game or 2 this season where he will have his stroke going and Calipari will ride his hot hand. If his shot isn’t falling then he’s virtually useless. He’s not making hustle plays, getting steals or deflections, or anything that would warrant his getting extended minutes.
I'm just asuuming no one else stepped out of bounds tonite or missed a 3. He WAS the only one to foul a 3 point shooter TONITE
 
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bbnkat02

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https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/brooks-has-to-pass-the-ball.354733/





https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/what-does-brooks-do-well.354468/page-3#post-10285213



There’s a couple. I’m not going back much further.
And tbf, that was a couple of games where he scored in double digits.

So no, Allen isnt the only one that catches crap. He just hasn’t shown anything much this year.

Wheeler has gotten some bad rap too, when he has done ok. Tonight wasn’t those night to be sure.
 

bbnkat02

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For sake of argument, that's one. Allen has one each game. I'm saying Allen gets a disproportionate amount of scrutiny from this message board. Lance Ware, Grady, none of those guys are doing any better, yet I'm not seeing them with multiple threads on them. Let's all move on.
Tbf, the others you mentioned aren’t bemoaned by half of BBN for getting more minutes. Grady to a degree. But Allen’s main point of being in is to hit threes. He’s not doing that well right now. And then he’s not getting other things either.
 

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Dude shoots the ball like he was just handed a hand grenade - he doesn't even look at the basket hardly
Just rushing his shots more than normal
BTW Wheeler got beat several times tonight happens to all of them
 
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SmedMoley

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https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/brooks-has-to-pass-the-ball.354733/





https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/what-does-brooks-do-well.354468/page-3#post-10285213



There’s a couple. I’m not going back much further.
And tbf, that was a couple of games where he scored in double digits.

So no, Allen isnt the only one that catches crap. He just hasn’t shown anything much this year.

Wheeler has gotten some bad rap too, when he has done ok. Tonight wasn’t those night to be sure.
That's a drop in the bucket compared to Allen. I mean Allen is like the 12th guy in the rotation, yet gets all this attention. Two threads on Brooks doesn't change that.
 

SmedMoley

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Tbf, the others you mentioned aren’t bemoaned by half of BBN for getting more minutes. Grady to a degree. But Allen’s main point of being in is to hit threes. He’s not doing that well right now. And then he’s not getting other things either.
I'm not seeing many folks lobbying for more playing time for Allen. Not this season. Last season, yes.
 

gojvc

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This team has too many players for Allen to get minutes. It is hard to look good when you barely get on the court. He needs to earn his minutes in practice.
A lot of his shots this year have looked forced. I knew before he shot them they weren’t going in. But when you know your opportunities are limited you get them up I guess. When he gets good shots in a normal flow he makes a lot of them. We know that. We’ve already seen it.
 

MakinMusic_rivals

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This was all discussed by some last season. The defense of Allen was over the top. He can be a really good player but it will take a very significant amount of effort for him to fix the issues. It will be physical and psychological. Up to him.
 

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I find it hilariously hypocritical the exact same posters who would get mad at posters last season asking why BJ was getting so much PT are the same posters starting and contributing to the routine Allen Sucks thread after every game.
 

Jmeeks54thebest

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This Allen thing has hurt some butts. A bunch of us wanted him to play more last season, because we had zero offense or shooting. Boston was god awful and kept jacking up shots. We wanted Allen to get some of Boston's minutes. This is a different season. I think we all know it's a different season, and Allen isn't good enough to get minutes on this team. This shouldn't need it's own thread. But that may interfere with the celebration that Allen hasn't been good this season.
Didn’t you hear? Every shot Allen misses this year, is a missed shot by BJ last season that gets over ruled. Keep it up and we might break .500 for last season.
 

Bratkartoffeln

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I don't like to talk bad about our players, but couldn't help but notice that the first time DA was inserted into the game, the player he was assigned to guard took him to the woodshed with a long 1 on 1 drive resulting in a wide open layup. Someone else on here had said he can't guard a post, and I believe they are correct. Plus his shooting suffered tonight.
Came in and did three things poorly in the span of about 30 seconds of game time. Was not mentally ready to contribute. Got to be better than that when your name is called. I want to see him excel and be successful, but it's up to him...at this point, you cannot come off the bench and have that "deer in the headlights" look.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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I hate the " you must not have never played the game" accusation that gets thrown around at people , or more aptly in this case " you must not have coached before" but IMO some of you are incredibly naive about how Allen got where he is today . As a player you know when your coach has lost confidence in you or doesn't seem to " have your back". This MAY be an inaccurate emotion from the player but once any player feels like his coach doesnt trust him/her its OVER . That player will rarely overcome that lack of trust . And if you dont think coaches can either instill confidence in a player or totally destroy a players pathway then you truly have never coached anything at all. It happens in Jr high and it can happen at the pro level. JHMO but the way Cal handled DA last season broke him . Why he stayed around is a big question mark to me . Maybe NIL cash. ? I just hope the kid is emotionally/ mentally OK . I've seen athletes who have their life's work and investment ( blood sweat tears type stuff) yanked out from under them . They can become a mess.
 
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Catfan2226

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I hate the " you must not have never played the game" accusation that gets thrown around at people , or more aptly in this case " you must not have coached before" but IMO some of you are incredibly naive about how Allen got where he is today . As a player you know when your coach has lost confidence in you or doesn't seem to " have your back". This MAY be an inaccurate emotion from the player but once any player feels like his coach doesnt trust him/her its OVER . That player will rarely overcome that lack of trust . And if you dont think coaches can either instill confidence in a player or totally destroy a players pathway then you truly have never coached anything at all. It happens in Jr high and it can happen at the pro level. JHMO but the way Cal handled DA last season broke him . Why he stayed around is a big question mark to me . Maybe NIL cash. ? I just hope the kid is emotionally/ mentally OK . I've seen athletes who have their life's work and investment ( blood sweat tears type stuff) yanked out from under them . They can become a mess.
Fair assessment.I dont know if Cal broke Allen or not but its clear he has him on a short leash.Allens confidence is shaken right now but only way to PROVE to himself and everybody that he can contribute and play at this level is inside himself.Kinda like the old adage they will tell you no but you will tell them yes.
 
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Cats_2010

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This is pure fantasy. He doesn’t have to be perfect, he just has to not make the dumb plays that he did tonight. You can live with the airball 3, but you can’t live with being totally unaware of where you are on the court and stepping out bounds. You can’t foul a 3 point shooter and think you’re gonna stay in the game.

Allen is what he is, a streak shooter. There will be a game or 2 this season where he will have his stroke going and Calipari will ride his hot hand. If his shot isn’t falling then he’s virtually useless. He’s not making hustle plays, getting steals or deflections, or anything that would warrant his getting extended minutes.
Thats pretty much BS and you know it. How well did TTW play against Duke and played 28 minutes. He had a terrible 3 minutes when inserted into the game and was yanked and never put back in, that is called effing with a players confidence, Taking him out, talking to him and giving him encouragement despite the mistakes is coaching him up and instilling confidence in him. He should have been reinserted into the game within a few minutes after being pulled if cal is Serious about his development. You and I both know cal doesn’t give a **** about that though as he isn’t one of his chosen ones he is going to ride or die with.
 

Trinity45

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I don't like to talk bad about our players, but couldn't help but notice that the first time DA was inserted into the game, the player he was assigned to guard took him to the woodshed with a long 1 on 1 drive resulting in a wide open layup. Someone else on here had said he can't guard a post, and I believe they are correct. Plus his shooting suffered tonight.
Why is there always that one thread "I don't want to talk bad about a player" yet there they go.
 

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Regardless if it's Cal's fault or not, DA has received opportunities this year. Love the kid and was rooting for him as much as any other Kentuckian, but with the guys we have on our roster this year, he does not help us. We've heard Cal say over and over that he does not have to hit his shots if he is able to contribute in other ways. Plain and simple, he is unable to do that. After last night, I'm not sure he gets many more opportunities in a Wildcat uniform.
 
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sluggercatfan

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I don't like to talk bad about our players, but couldn't help but notice that the first time DA was inserted into the game, the player he was assigned to guard took him to the woodshed with a long 1 on 1 drive resulting in a wide open layup. Someone else on here had said he can't guard a post, and I believe they are correct. Plus his shooting suffered tonight.
Stop it!!! Except for O, this whole team is not good including the coach!
 

king of cali

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Thats pretty much BS and you know it. How well did TTW play against Duke and played 28 minutes. He had a terrible 3 minutes when inserted into the game and was yanked and never put back in, that is called effing with a players confidence, Taking him out, talking to him and giving him encouragement despite the mistakes is coaching him up and instilling confidence in him. He should have been reinserted into the game within a few minutes after being pulled if cal is Serious about his development. You and I both know cal doesn’t give a **** about that though as he isn’t one of his chosen ones he is going to ride or die with.
This pretty laughable. You talk as if there shouldn’t be a difference between Washington and Allen. Their is a wide gulf between them in regards to how important they are to the team. As constructed, this team will go as far as Washington takes them. So of course he’s gonna have a longer leash to make mistakes and play through them. He also makes a contribution to the team outside of his scoring.

Some of you kill me with that elementary “Cal needs to treat all the players the same” mentality. That takes place absolutely no where. The stars are gonna be treated differently, and that goes with every coach since the beginning of time. That holds true for Lombardi, Belicheck, Phil Jackson and any other coach that you can think of.

That mentality let’s me know that a lot of you never played ball past rec league because you think all the players should get the same opportunities.
 
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