After all that, we released Brooks anyway
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If he goes to AU,
we need to do everything within our powers to catch and turn them into the NCAA.
we need to do everything within our powers to catch and turn them into the NCAA.
I'm hearing he can't go to another SEC school based on the SEC financial aid agreement he signed. He will probably go to UNC.
I bet Joe Strugg is pissed.... so now we have an open scholarship that we will be giving one of our walk-ons...we could have given it to Jarkel Joiner...
Probably the best thing to do after the Mom went all Rambo to the media and made it clear she was not going to allow her son to come here and that she was willing to drag her son, her son's Father, and MSU through a legal process to attempt to prevent it. I'm sure we were hoping if we denied the release he would come on and hopefully that would be the end of it. Obviously wasn't going to work that way. Just crazy that the woman waited until 6 months after the NLI was signed to go into a hissy fit about it. If she had done this back in the Fall after he signed we at least would have had more replacement options. At this point we may just sit on the scholarship since we have so few seniors anyway.
Only at MSU would we have a coach on staff with an elite son as a prospect, sign the prospect, and then have to release the prospect over a crazy *** *****. Only here. The next question is if you aren't a good enough recruiter to land your own son, do we need you on our coaching staff?
We look as stupid here as we did when we so vehemently denied that we were hiring Cohen when everyone knew we were. Deny the release at 9 am and grant it at 3 pm? Stupid.
Did we actually ever deny it? Or did we just say nothing? It appears to me all the media was quoting Brooks himself.
I'll tell you this much: I'll fly United before I click another "For Whom the Cowbell Tolls" link
Somewhat apples and oranges as one is much different than the other. Yes, we could have just played hard ball, but this is a kid's life and the mother basically threatened the entire basketball coaching staff and the institution to answer to a long legal process, AFTER the refusal to release came out, and made it clear that her son would not be coming here. Feel sorry for Garrison but I'm not sure what advantage there was for us to try and hold him anymore. He is a good player but not worth the headache the mother would have caused around the program even if he did come. As far as I know there were no crazy people threatening anyone in the AD search.
Actually, I think the lesson is, it sucks to have a crazy mom, but at least it helps a little to have a Dad that is less worried about himself than you.
I wasn't implying it was an exact replication. Just saying that in both situations we firmly stated one thing then within a relatively short time period acted in the opposite way of our original statement. Both could possibly have been handled better.
I say that?
This is a total **** situation. It sucks for MSU because we lose a talented versatile post player. It sucks for coach Brooks cuz its gotta be awkward as hell to be him right now. It sucks for Garrison because he put himself in this situation and apparently let it get too far only to be (possibly) used as a power struggle between parents.
I genuinely hope Garrison learns from this and adjusts as best as possible, but i wouldnt hope this on anyone ias a way to build character.
Thats a pretty weak interpretation.
Helen keller, ray charles, stevie wonder, louis braille, and any other famous blind people saw this coming.
We are not unique. MSU was stung like a whole slew of programs have been over the last however many years. A release isnt unique even when there is no coaching change.
Better for the school to save face in the battle of PR and future recruiting than force a kid to play for a school he no longer wants to attend, go to prep for a whole year, lose 1/4 of your career in JUCO, or lose 1/4 of your career while also redshirting at a major program.
The rules need to change. Calling minors snowflakes isnt going to actually change anything. This overall issue of player's power isnt new and its been growing for years now. It isnt a snowflake phenomenon even if thats a fun term to misuse on message boards.
When there is no coaching change, force the recruit to sit out a year but not lose a year of eligibility and everyone can move the 17 on in life.
We are not unique. MSU was stung like a whole slew of programs have been over the last however many years. A release isnt unique even when there is no coaching change.
Better for the school to save face in the battle of PR and future recruiting than force a kid to play for a school he no longer wants to attend, go to prep for a whole year, lose 1/4 of your career in JUCO, or lose 1/4 of your career while also redshirting at a major program.
The rules need to change. Calling minors snowflakes isnt going to actually change anything. This overall issue of player's power isnt new and its been growing for years now. It isnt a snowflake phenomenon even if thats a fun term to misuse on message boards.
When there is no coaching change, force the recruit to sit out a year but not lose a year of eligibility and everyone can move the 17 on in life.
And i hope the NCAA hammers their *** and he plays on probation for 2 years. Karma is a *****
He's actually a pretty damn solid recruiter. He just didnt do well recruiting about 19 years ago.
Amen.
What? You won't do that anymore? I'm telling Mom and she'll make it so we're not married anymore.
What? You won't do that anymore? I'm telling Mom and she'll make it so we're not married anymore.
Couple of thoughts .. Don't think that UNC has an available scholarship for 2017. If not, it's going to cost him ~$47K to attend his first year.
Part of me really hopes that he goes to UNC .. and they go on probation without post-season play for his four years there.
There has to be consequences for your actions. That's the way the life is. It's not just about us losing a good player. Basketball only has a handful of scholarships, so coaches are very selective, moreso than any other sport. So when a player decides at the last minute he wants out, he needs to be penalized for hurting the program that he pledged to. Sitting out a year and not losing eligibility would make things even worse. People would go back on their word in droves knowing that they would not lose any eligibility for it.
Its effectively a transfer.
To put it in MSU perspective, think back to when Hansbrough transferred. In APRIL of 2008(so right now in terms of time of year), the starting SG who helped as a PG decided to leave the team. It left the program doing just what is happening now- scrambling to fill a spot which wasnt expected to be vacant. Its actually worse since it was a starting player who contributed heavily, compared to an untested and unknown recruit.
You say people would go back on their word in droves...well then they would all have to land somewhere and the spring signing period would create an opportunity for schools who lost on a signee to then land another who also backed out on their LOI.
This isnt ideal, for sure. But like I said, backing out of an NLI is effectively like a player transferring at the end of the season...which happens by the hundreds now.
The truly best way for basketball recruiting to be handled moving forward is get rid of the early signing period. Have 1 signing period in the spring at the end of April. This would eliminate all the requests to be let out of NLIs due to coaching changes. This would eliminate most of the issues where a program oversigns due to wanting a late addition and thus forcing someone to transfer or forcing another recruit to be released from their NLI.
Student Athletes are already leaving in droves, your feared result is already here.
Google.
Recent(as in the last couple years...so maybe 2-3 seasons?) examples are at USF, Okie State, Cal, UCONN, and AppState(in a relatively infamous and plot twisting way). I will offer up that Floyd at UTEP refused and was absolutely destroyed by the media for it. Same with Capel at AppState.
This is off the top of my head. I dont know players, except for the UTEP one, without looking them up. You do it...or dont. Either way.
I am not making generalizations, at least I dont think I am making them as a way to make a point without it being true. Unfortunate you feel that way.
The NLI is the worst contract in sports- https://www.si.com/college-football/2015/02/09/national-letter-intent-punt-pass-pork
If I had a child who were a 4* recruit, I would push for financial aid papers only. Even if they were a high 3*, I would push for that if the coaching staff were pressuring for an early signing day to lock my kid up. Financial aid papers or bust.
The system is bad, many recognize its bad, and therefore all these exceptions and qualifications have been informally established. This is all just a spectrum and where you guys fall on said spectrum happens to be in a different place than where I fall. You are OK with some exceptions to the rule but not as many as I am. This is really what I am being ripped on for- being OK with more unofficial exceptions than you. Nobody thinks the letter of the law must be followed without exception, but I am some crazy for being OK with more exception than you.
Its laughable, really.
Good read on Memphis and Transfers............
http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-of-memphis-program-in-just-one-year/?ref=yfp
http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-of-memphis-program-in-just-one-year/?ref=yfp
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