Addition by subtraction?

LineSkiCat14

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Whitney's minutes will be distributed and those guys will get into a better flow. Sestina and Brooks will have to play more by nature.. and they will get better for it.

We're fine with an 8 man rotation. It's not like Whitney came in for a foul-ladened player and helped all that much.

Maybe Cal will be a bit looser with fouls.
 

HalHR2500

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Really. You mean we have players getting fouls on them. Wow.

Or giving up easy buckets due to stripe shirts taking their aggressiveness away

25 fouls per game over 8 players mean 3 or 4 will be in serious foul trouble

It’s simple math comprende
 
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gwjenning

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He always tried to shoot the first chance he got in the game whether or not it was a bad shot.

He hadn’t bought into rebounding and playing good defense yet.

It didn’t look like he would listen to Cal about the defense and rebounding. We have enough scorers.
So I go with addition by subtraction.

Quade green was the same last season. We got going after he left.
 
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JC43

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Just hate for the young man to quit...says much about his character and backbone. I truly want him to succeed.
We, as a fan base, don't know everything that is going on in his life, could be homesick, trouble with academics, death or sickness in the family or someone close to him.
Bet his 'advisors' are giving him some crappy advice.
Or maybe he saw how UK has to play 8 on 5 even in RUPp...
Finish what you started at least...oh well, next one up!!!!
 

catsfanbgky

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Dumb take.

We need his body for practice. Whitney role in the games was non-existent

Dumb take. If he is HEALTHY, even if he is not game ready, he can be used in practice. If he is not practicing, that means it is more to it than he is not game ready. IF healthy, he will /would be used in practice so your "we need him for practice" does not hold water. Sorry, but it just doesn't.
 

catsfanbgky

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Not hating on Whitney. Things didn't work out, that's life and that's okay.

But if ya'll remember, Kentucky took off last year after Quade transferred mid season. Both Green and Whitney had a lot of question marks surrounding their roles on the team. The departures mean those questions don't need to be answered.

I think the Cats are at a point now where everyone is getting comfortable with their roles, Whitney was the only question mark. Well, other than Allen but he's hurt.

Thoughts?

Not the same situation. We got better (more specific as to referring to PJ) was because he (Green) was a very bad influence on PJ Washington with his attitude and bad practice habits. By all accounts Kahlil Whitney was a hard worker and good team mate, Green was none of that, which is why when he left, the team did not have that negative influence around them, bringing them down. Now by saying the coaches do not have to worry with providing in game minutes for Kahili, it may be a good point, but recently he wasn't getting that many minutes anyway. 3 against SC and 1 against Georgia, so the coaches where all ready not worrying with his game minutes and taking away someone more worthy. Which is why we have seen the uptick in Keion Brooks minutes and productivity. He started getting Kahlil's minutes and allowed to play thru mistakes and not worry about being benched or losing minutes to him. That was all ready happening. So addition by subtraction, I do not feel will be a benefit in this situation, he all ready lost his playing time and attitude was not a problem.
 

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I was thinking more multiplication by division. That’s why it didn’t work out with Green. He was number zero and division by zero is undefined for real numbers.

Quick maths.
 
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Atrain7732

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Not hating on Whitney. Things didn't work out, that's life and that's okay.

But if ya'll remember, Kentucky took off last year after Quade transferred mid season. Both Green and Whitney had a lot of question marks surrounding their roles on the team. The departures mean those questions don't need to be answered.

I think the Cats are at a point now where everyone is getting comfortable with their roles, Whitney was the only question mark. Well, other than Allen but he's hurt.

Thoughts?

Quade Green was my first thought as well. A little different as others pointed out bc of a little bit more of a skeleton crew this year. However, just being a fresh body to practice against is not a coveted or irreplaceable position.

Not quite the doom and gloom being expressed by some IMO. Same ones who are beside themselves at KW departure were the ones dogging Cal for playing him last week.

We will see how it turns out. I’m not gonna be concerned at this point at least.
 

AllBall

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He's a quitter so it's a long term positive for team morale. Other guys will pick up the minutes and thrive.
Cal likes a short rotation and he certainly has one now. Sucks for simulating game situations in practice but our player rotations will be fine.
 
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I mean I like having the extra body, but this got brought nothing to the table. Maybe if he stuck it out he could have had a breakout game as some have. Maybe even a game where we really needed a win, but we will never know because he quit n his team midseason. That is bad character right there and maybe not the guy you want in the foxhole with you. If he can bolt on his teammates like that is he really the guy we want around our other players? If we made it though the SC game without playing him then I don't think it will matter unless injuries come into play. The SC game 2 guys fouled out and Quickly had 4 and Whitney still couldn't get on the court. I just hope we don't see another game like that.
 

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The comments from his AAU coach made me laugh.Whining about how few minutes he has had for the last several games.He has to have the minutes.Who knows why he isn't getting to play?Well it could be that Cal is trying to actually win some games and Whitney kills us when he plays.With people around them like this who won't be honest with them it's no wonder they think they are already great and don't need to work at it.
 
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Practice will be 5 scholly players against 3 schollies + 2 walkons. Or 4 on 4.

Not a great situation. Of course this far into the season I'm not sure how needed is 5 on 5 with 2 games a week.

Need 12 scholly players always.
For the life of me I don’t understand why some of you guys are so obsessed with us having several more scholarship players who can’t help us sitting on the end of the bench.
 
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gojvc

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Whitney's minutes will be distributed and those guys will get into a better flow. Sestina and Brooks will have to play more by nature.. and they will get better for it.

We're fine with an 8 man rotation. It's not like Whitney came in for a foul-ladened player and helped all that much.

Maybe Cal will be a bit looser with fouls.
Agree. An eight man rotation is plenty.
 
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I’m not really a tweeter sleuth, but it looks like he posted that yesterday.

Does anyone really think this was known for the first time today? Seems like the lack of pt last game and his manner on the bench, that this result had already been intimated to Cal.

I suspect that some on the team knew of his unhappiness and it seems almost impossible to me that he never said to anyone that he was thinking about leaving.
 

Cowtown Cat

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This.

Green was a locker room cancer bc he was being overtaken by the incoming freshmen. He and PJ had a Soph vs Fresh mentality early in the season and if you watched closely you could see them looking for each other and blatantly not passing to the open guy. Once Green left, the team meshed and that’s when PJ bought in and took off.
Hmmmm interesting. Wonder if that had anything to do with our early season losses? You especially have to wonder if that had any effect on that damn duke beat down we took. I know they played out of their minds. We still shouldn’t have lost that badly.
 
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EliteBlue

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Hmmmm interesting. Wonder if that had anything to do with our early season losses? You especially have to wonder if that had any effect on that damn duke beat down we took. I know they played out of their minds. We still shouldn’t have lost that badly.

I think the Duke loss was more shell shock than anything else; and guys not knowing their roles yet and adjusting to the college game.

It was a game where you got to see the gap between true top 3 talent regardless of class like AD,Wall,Zion etc. (and Barrett was in Terrence Jones talent range) and then the 15-40 range. Later in the season it evened out once the lesser raw talent learned how to play.

However, I think the embarrassing Duke loss probably added to the split. Usually adversity brings that stuff out if it exist.

I also believe that’s why we looked like world beaters in the Bahamas w no practice time but after they had been together for a couple more months they looked entirely different and had regressed. Gave it time forthat to develop. it wasn’t just a step up in opponent bc we looked totally out of sync even against mid majors.
 
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Not hating on Whitney. Things didn't work out, that's life and that's okay.

But if ya'll remember, Kentucky took off last year after Quade transferred mid season. Both Green and Whitney had a lot of question marks surrounding their roles on the team. The departures mean those questions don't need to be answered.

I think the Cats are at a point now where everyone is getting comfortable with their roles, Whitney was the only question mark. Well, other than Allen but he's hurt.

Thoughts?
Face it the kid needed to work on his basketball IQ and overall skills, the AAU coach talking about minutes, maybe he should have done a better job of preparing the kid for the next level. I still say I about 70% of the big time AAU coaches are not worth the hot air that comes out of the mouth when it comes to being an actual coach.
 

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Probably but being able to buy some minutes when we're in foul trouble is important. So is his athleticism in practice. It won't hurt us much in the box score but it will hurt in other ways.
No it won't. We have other's to "buy" minutes. He hasn't bought a damn minute all year and you guys start this crap. He was a dragon in high school against mediocre and less high school teams and became Puff the Magic Dragon at the college level. He didn't do one single thing well. Only high ranked player I've ever seen with a physique like his that could neither dribble, shoot, rebound or play defense. You know his frustration carried over to others, it's human nature. I'm glad he left.
 

sa_hunt

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No. Each of those 13 is not created equal. We needed him in practice. It's not debatable
Yes it is. It's this simple. We don't need him for practice either. Cal could go to any college class, blindfolded and throw a dart and hit a person who could do what Whitney has done this year and that's not debatable.
 

catsfanbgky

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Whitney's minutes will be distributed and those guys will get into a better flow. Sestina and Brooks will have to play more by nature.. and they will get better for it.

We're fine with an 8 man rotation. It's not like Whitney came in for a foul-ladened player and helped all that much.

Maybe Cal will be a bit looser with fouls.

Whitney was not taking Sestina minutes. Now brooks will see a uptick in minutes, but that was all ready in foward motion before Whitney left, that is WHY he left. he only played 1 minute @ SC and 3 vs Georgia. So the coaches had all ready decided that Brooks was getting the minutes Whitney was getting. Look at the two players mpg the last two games. Brooks was also taking Sestina's minutes. He is getting less and less minutes because of match ups, but Whitney never was getting his minutes.
 
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I think you're still missing the point others have mentioned to you. You compared his loss to Green's and others have given examples of how that just isn't the case, but you fail to see that so far. And, he isn't just a body. He is extremely athletic and was important in practice And, there was still hope he would develop his game more to at least be beneficial in certain points of the game. Being gone leaves us very short on guards as we start 3 and we've seen Ashton in foul trouble recently Whitney could at least buy us some time.

Any time you lose a player it has a negative affect. Stamina and negative influence on future recruiting.

I don't know why Cal is so against adding recruits to our team but guess we'll find out in how he handles this.
 
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Does not help other teams we play. Those few minutes Whitney had helped them because of his non productivity. Kind of like playing 4 on 5. The better players will get those minutes and more productivity will come from it. As far as practice, we are far enough along this season that the young players know what to do and what is expected of them in addition to what it takes.

Nothing personal against Whitney but if a kid does not want to play with the highest intensity and play team ball it just isn't going to work on a team that has the highest of expectations for winning. Good luck to him and hope he has a long successful career in the NBA.
 

Cowtown Cat

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Any time you lose a player it has a negative affect. Stamina and negative influence on future recruiting.

I don't know why Cal is so against adding recruits to our team but guess we'll find out in how he handles this.
I think some of it had to do with the Stokes deal in 2011-2012. Stokes wanted to come to UK but Cal didn’t have a scholarship to give. I’ve read that’s some of the reason why he leaves open spots. I’ve also heard him talk about the subject. He thinks 10-11 is all he needs. I can’t remember the reasoning now.
 

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Yes it is. It's this simple. We don't need him for practice either. Cal could go to any college class, blindfolded and throw a dart and hit a person who could do what Whitney has done this year and that's not debatable.

You're wrong. I'm so sorry. We haven't seen but a portion. Early reports were KW was doing great in practice. He's a 5 star kid who was really struggling in the court his first half a season. If you follow UK basketball shouldn't be something new. Has no bearing of what he can replicate in practice for this kid. It's pretty obvious. They are not created equal
 

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You're wrong. I'm so sorry. We haven't seen but a portion. Early reports were KW was doing great in practice. He's a 5 star kid who was really struggling in the court his first half a season. If you follow UK basketball shouldn't be something new. Has no bearing of what he can replicate in practice for this kid. It's pretty obvious. They are not created equal
You were at the game, right? Did we need Whitney's fouls? If Whitney is still here he may have gotten a minute or two and we lose. Glad you're there representing but You're wrong and I'm so sorry.