According to Benning......

[o_h3]

Saban took over a 6-7 team and only improved to 7-6 in Year 1. Jumped to 12-2 in year 2, and 14-0 in year 3. Saban's year one was his reboot year to install his culture. We can live with a modest improvement in year 1 if things improve dramatically in years 2 and 3.

 

[yort2000]

It was alarming that two guys ended up in the hospital due to workouts. I imagine that means workouts will be toned down and of course that may also mean progress will be slowed. We all know — and so does Frost — our teams in recent years haven’t come close to physically dominating opponents like we used to. Unless and until that happens, we figure to be mediocre at best. Hopefully, strength and conditioning staff can begin to change that fact, but it won’t be helpful if they have to tone down the kind of workouts that built UCF into a 13-0 team. Patience will be needed but at least losing some games won’t be the shocker it once was.

Yes, I don't get why people are saying he is inheriting more talent than he did at UCF. After testing these guys, they decided they needed to shorten the time and the amount of weight to do for these "transition" winter workouts in comparison to what they did at UCF. And, even after doing that, two of the guys ended up in the hospital.

In reply to the bolded above, they were already toned down workouts.

 

[inWV]

On Riley, certain things have come to light that make it very clear that his hiring was a monumental error, with one exception: Frost was the next hire.

 

[spinner4_rivals42045]

S&C is an area where mitigation can take place quickly if the players assume the right mentality. Or at least the ones that do will become better FB players and make their way to the field in the fall. Frost and Co isn't waiting around for "their players" to show up. The present group is being worked pretty hard and the gamers will shake out in the mix.

Winter conditioning started middle of January. The weekend after it started, the staff ended up rescheduling all of the on campus visits and had zero OV that weekend. Do you think that was a coincidence, considering the staff brought in recruits pretty much every weekend beside that? The papers wrote it up as "staff is head of the game... using the weekend to strategize". I knew that was BS the first time I read it. I am 100% sure the staff saw what was going on in the Strength complex that first week and weren't liking the results. I think it was alarming how bad it was after the first week of workouts and how it's the prime concern with this football program. Forget recruiting, forget RPOs, or whose starting at RB.

And I think it looks pretty dam scary to watch for most people who are able to wittiness this first hand. And I bet the players are struggling. Duval basically has to break them down and rebuild them. And I honestly place zero blame on Mark Philipp, he can only do so much while he was here. If guys don't want to work hard in the gym and the coaches aren't going to discipline players for it, really left Philipp with very little power. Zach Duval has the power. Think Big Greg Austin is going to put up with tinny arms on the O-line? Think Ruud's going to let his players skip leg day or be OK if Zach tells him someone was taking it easy in the weight room? What was Philipp going to tell Cav? Could he say "Your Lineman are fat & out of shape and should have developed much more physically" ? What could Cav do at that point? Kettle Black?

Look at a kid like Raridon. He was very highly recruited. Many people on this board thought he could be the next great husker lineman, but that all was on the assumption that he was going to physically progress. His body doesn't look much different then it did when he was in HS.

Anyone who lifts or runs or does some type of workout, knows its never easy. Its hard mentality. I've ran at least 3 miles pretty much everyday for 3 years and everyday, I tell myself everyday that I don't want to run today. That I want to watch netflix instead, Then I throw on my sneakers...I am sure a guy like Benning walks into the weight room and sees the players heavily struggling. I bet some still carry themselves Willy Nilly, but that will all change. I have no doubt guys who aren't working hard in the weight room will likely find themselves way down the depth chart with this staff. That will weed that out quickly.

 

[yort2000]

On Riley, certain things have come to light that make it very clear that his hiring was a monumental error, with one exception: Frost was the next hire.

I don't get why all these fights break out over Riley. I don't think anyone was excited about the hire. Once he was hired, people supported him as the coach of the team they support, so why bash about it.

8 wins next year would be a coach of the year performance, but Nebraska now has the 2017 coach of the year at the helm, so why not expect that he could be able to pull it off. On the other hand, you have to realize that it would be/is going to be one hell of a coaching job to achieve it.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Where in the hell do you get the crazy idea that there is "resentment over the Riley firing"? I was a supporter until it was obvious he needed to leave and that he WAS going to be fired. I don't know of a SINGLE poster on here who honestly believed Riley should have been retained at the end. Not one and I don't know of a single poster who posts regularly on here who wanted anybody other than Frost. There was a guy or two promoting some more experienced head coaches but they've been silent since the hire.

Good point. I should not have said they have a resentment over the Riley firing. That is incorrect.

What I am driving at (poorly it seems) is that there is still an undercurrent of hostility among some posters towards posters they dismissively called last year "The Traditon Coalition". You saw that in the absurd and mean spirited attacks on Rimington's comments on the walk on program. You saw it whenever a poster would vaguely refer to wanting to get back to "the Nebraska way". They were ridiculed for false nostalgia. You saw it whenever a poster said they hoped we would hire a coach and a staff with strong Nebraska connections to our past. And you are still seeing it from some on here who are implying that unless you hold Frost to the same standards we held Riley to you are being unfair. It is couched in sarcasm and tongue in cheek humor, but it is there. So I still see certain posters with an agenda to mock the tradition coalition types.

As I have said many times on here dingle... I respect you as a poster. None of my comments were directed at you.
Nor do I want to start naming individual posters. You can agree with my assessment or disagree.
I have said my peace and I am done with it now.
GBR

 

[TwinsRRUs_rivals79748]

How many wins will come due to the change in offensive scheme alone?

Only one position group in 2018 that is not good. The OL sucked last year. Didn't someone say Frost's scheme makes OL blocking easier? How can this group not be at least a little better in 2018?

Gebbia, POB, Bunch, or Martinez will be good. Gebbia is no slouch making quick decisions in tge passing game and he is a baller. We have talent at the QB position. Frost will have them playing well.

Bryant, Bell, Jones, Washington, Oz, Wilbon... we have speed and talent at RB.

Spielman, Morgan, Lindsay, Woodyard, Williams, McQuitty... we have speed and talent in 2018 at WR.

How is our offense not going to put up points in 2018? Seriously. If the offense is as easy to learn as they say, we will score 35ppg. We will not lose games due to the offense not scoring 20 points or more. Anyone that watched UCF can see the offense is very potent.

How well can Frost get it going in 2018? That's the biggest question, but never doubt Frost. He will get these players to put up points.



The 2017 defense sucked. Really sucked. Sucked bad. The only way it can go is up. Chinander's attacking D might take some lumps, but there is no way that the offense puts the defense in the poor situations as often as they did in 2017.

How many pick-6's and INTs keep the other teams in a game in 2017? The offense hurt a defense that didn't need any help hurting. Coach Diaco sucked. No way his influence didn't cause the D to be worse than it should have been.

There is talent on the defense. Now you add Honas, Mixon, Tannor, Williams... the defense will be much improved in 2018. Pelini's defense had a HUGE turnaround in one year.

Chinander's defense didn't do great in the last two games of the regular season against spread teams, but it did stop Memphis the first time they played.

His defense can be pretty salty. Why can't he get the defense up to par? Did last year's "worst defense ever" create the impression that our defense can't be fixed? Didn't we learn that Diaco was the issue?

After hearing these things that DB is saying about the team, maybe the culture issues are the worst ever, but Frost is turning this roster over and will get this team rolling in a hurry.

Tempering expectations for yourself is fine. After the last 3 years, that's expected for some. Why can't some people drink Kool-Aid and think we have a chance to be good in 2018? If some fans think we will suck, why do we all have to think that way?

I think this team, with this coaching staff, will have the ability to win 10 games. Will I be pissed and quit being a fan if they only win 6? Hell no, but why can't I think there is a chance to be good?

Expectations vs hopes and dreams?

 

[hamneggs53]

Patience is the key (don't panic). Always takes time with the veterans on the team to buy into new staff.
I see only good things happening from this point on.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

There is no agenda in saying no excuses. After 10 years of hearing about no excuses, I am finally on board with that mentality. I am a slow learner. The only narrative I see changing is from those who spent years saying no excuses for Pelini and Riley are now preparing themselves to be on the other side of that argument.

This team is now Scott Frost's team, if the team does not win games it will fall on Scott Frost and staff.
The psyche of the team is on Scott Frost and staff to fix. Any damage caused by Mike Riley and his staff is not real or an overreaction.
If the players do not buy in immediately, it is because the staff is not doing an adequate job, none of this falls on the players.
The systems the players have been coached in the last 3 years do not matter. It is up to the current coaches to correct any deficiencies and get the team to play at a high level within the current systems.
Based on the last 4 years recruiting rankings, the average recruit on the current roster is approx 3.24 stars, The talent is there, there should be no reason this team shouldn't be winning at least 8 games next year.
Bo Pelini inherited a 5 win team and won 9 games the following season and tied for the division title.


Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, some of that is tongue in cheek. There will be growing pains, no doubt. However, if this staff doesn't win 8 regular games next year, it should be considered a disappointment. That is the Nebraska standard.

Dumb, Pete Carroll went 5-7 in his first season at USC, Nick Saban went 5-7 in his first season at Alabama...both of those programs had better talent via better recruiting classes. Urban is stroking himself in the earlier quote, nobody said the cupboard was bare with Tressel. Tressel was an all time great coach, was fired for transgressions not coaching. Urban took over a team that had played in a bcs bowl just two years before. Frost's first year at UCF was ugly at times, he kicked a bunch of guys off the team, had very little depth, and the team really struggled down the stretch due to exhaustion and injuries. This is not 2008 where there are 2-3 1st round draft picks, future nfl starters on the team...this team was a historically bad 4 win team. The one good thing about us being unified around Frost is that people will not attack him and get traction, if they do they will likely look crazy because...if Frost was not our coach, then who would be?

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

How many wins will come due to the change in offensive scheme alone?

Only one position group in 2018 that is not good. The OL sucked last year. Didn't someone say Frost's scheme makes OL blocking easier? How can this group not be at least a little better in 2018?

Gebbia, POB, Bunch, or Martinez will be good. Gebbia is no slouch making quick decisions in tge passing game and he is a baller. We have talent at the QB position. Frost will have them playing well.

Bryant, Bell, Jones, Washington, Oz, Wilbon... we have speed and talent at RB.

Spielman, Morgan, Lindsay, Woodyard, Williams, McQuitty... we have speed and talent in 2018 at WR.

How is our offense not going to put up points in 2018? Seriously. If the offense is as easy to learn as they say, we will score 35ppg. We will not lose games due to the offense not scoring 20 points or more. Anyone that watched UCF can see the offense is very potent.

How well can Frost get it going in 2018? That's the biggest question, but never doubt Frost. He will get these players to put up points.



The 2017 defense sucked. Really sucked. Sucked bad. The only way it can go is up. Chinander's attacking D might take some lumps, but there is no way that the offense puts the defense in the poor situations as often as they did in 2017.

How many pick-6's and INTs keep the other teams in a game in 2017? The offense hurt a defense that didn't need any help hurting. Coach Diaco sucked. No way his influence didn't cause the D to be worse than it should have been.

There is talent on the defense. Now you add Honas, Mixon, Tannor, Williams... the defense will be much improved in 2018. Pelini's defense had a HUGE turnaround in one year.

Chinander's defense didn't do great in the last two games of the regular season against spread teams, but it did stop Memphis the first time they played.

His defense can be pretty salty. Why can't he get the defense up to par? Did last year's "worst defense ever" create the impression that our defense can't be fixed? Didn't we learn that Diaco was the issue?

After hearing these things that DB is saying about the team, maybe the culture issues are the worst ever, but Frost is turning this roster over and will get this team rolling in a hurry.

Tempering expectations for yourself is fine. After the last 3 years, that's expected for some. Why can't some people drink Kool-Aid and think we have a chance to be good in 2018? If some fans think we will suck, why do we all have to think that way?

I think this team, with this coaching staff, will have the ability to win 10 games. Will I be pissed and quit being a fan if they only win 6? Hell no, but why can't I think there is a chance to be good?

Expectations vs hopes and dreams?

Great post! And I ALWAYS drink the koolaid before each new season. Beats pessimism!

 

[Ewooc]

mentality of the team much worse than he knew. Downgraded his prediction from 8 wins next year to saying 8 would be an incredible job by the coaches and worthy of another COY for Frost.

I hope everyone realizes we need to be patient. This isn't going to be a quick fix.

Mentality? Is it bad as a result from the old coaches? or is it bad as a result of the new coaches kicking their butt? If it is the first that can be fixed pretty quickly. If it is the latter, guessing we will see kids leaving that don't want to put in the work. That will take time to build back up.

 

[SnohomishRed]

From my perspective, i think I’ve been clear that my issue isn’t resentment over the Riley firing, it’s the insinuation that if I don’t agree to trash Riley I’m not a frost supporter and need to forget Riley and get on board the frost train. But how can I forget Riley when he continues to be brought up by the very same poster who says to forget Riley?

What’s lost in translation is that I don’t feel compelled to trash Riley, but that doesn’t make me anti frost. I’m thrilled he is our coach. But Dace will repeatedly come on and say things like Riley supporters need to support Frost.

Even in this thread I don’t see a single poster presenting themselves as anti frost. Truth be told, what I do see is a handful of posters pointing out the double standards that are in place. Expectations for Riley were different initially than they are for frost. I get that the circumstances are different... but some like to point out the double standards.

Timsum this board has been grinding along these same lines for years. It happened when Solich was canned and Callahan brought then Pelini then Riley, honestly its getting very old

Anyone or let's say 99% of husker fans on this board want the team to win. I think the vast majority think Frost is the man that can do it. This gunk about winning 8 or 9 games or whatever mythical target is acceptable is simply that.

Fans will be happy if they see a team they can be proud of and is well coached I am not sure what that translates to win/losses but I am pretty sure we will see it

 

[jimbosc]

I think Benning is talking about the lack of accountability under Riley showing up in what is being seen in winter conditioning. You don't fix S&C in a few months - it takes time get a player that needs development where he needs to go. You can fix the accountability MUCH quicker. Frost has/will do that. I have been saying 7 wins all along because I KNEW our S&C sucked and would not be magically fixed in a few months. Should Frost think we can win all 12. Yes. But getting players to do what he and the coaches want by next Fall? That is a big gap - especially since I don't expect 100% buy-in from the players Year 1. It will be way better than the malcontents Riley dealt with - but some guys we likely need will ride pine because they don't put the effort in that is needed.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

How many wins will come due to the change in offensive scheme alone?

Only one position group in 2018 that is not good. The OL sucked last year. Didn't someone say Frost's scheme makes OL blocking easier? How can this group not be at least a little better in 2018?

Gebbia, POB, Bunch, or Martinez will be good. Gebbia is no slouch making quick decisions in tge passing game and he is a baller. We have talent at the QB position. Frost will have them playing well.

Bryant, Bell, Jones, Washington, Oz, Wilbon... we have speed and talent at RB.

Spielman, Morgan, Lindsay, Woodyard, Williams, McQuitty... we have speed and talent in 2018 at WR.

How is our offense not going to put up points in 2018? Seriously. If the offense is as easy to learn as they say, we will score 35ppg. We will not lose games due to the offense not scoring 20 points or more. Anyone that watched UCF can see the offense is very potent.

How well can Frost get it going in 2018? That's the biggest question, but never doubt Frost. He will get these players to put up points.



The 2017 defense sucked. Really sucked. Sucked bad. The only way it can go is up. Chinander's attacking D might take some lumps, but there is no way that the offense puts the defense in the poor situations as often as they did in 2017.

How many pick-6's and INTs keep the other teams in a game in 2017? The offense hurt a defense that didn't need any help hurting. Coach Diaco sucked. No way his influence didn't cause the D to be worse than it should have been.

There is talent on the defense. Now you add Honas, Mixon, Tannor, Williams... the defense will be much improved in 2018. Pelini's defense had a HUGE turnaround in one year.

Chinander's defense didn't do great in the last two games of the regular season against spread teams, but it did stop Memphis the first time they played.

His defense can be pretty salty. Why can't he get the defense up to par? Did last year's "worst defense ever" create the impression that our defense can't be fixed? Didn't we learn that Diaco was the issue?

After hearing these things that DB is saying about the team, maybe the culture issues are the worst ever, but Frost is turning this roster over and will get this team rolling in a hurry.

Tempering expectations for yourself is fine. After the last 3 years, that's expected for some. Why can't some people drink Kool-Aid and think we have a chance to be good in 2018? If some fans think we will suck, why do we all have to think that way?

I think this team, with this coaching staff, will have the ability to win 10 games. Will I be pissed and quit being a fan if they only win 6? Hell no, but why can't I think there is a chance to be good?

Expectations vs hopes and dreams?

I've skipped most of this discussion, but this is my feelings too. I am already sick of people predicting doom and gloom for this season. And the worst part about it is, many of the people saying they will be "OK" if things don't go well this season, will be complaining as loudly as anybody. For that matter, I don't take the words of Damon Benning to be gospel-he's always been pretty pessimistic. Unfortunately, I think some of the motivation behind predicting doom and gloom for this year is being extremely careful(way too careful) in not raising expectations too high for this staff. But if you really believe in Frost and this staff, why not believe that they can really improve things this year? And by really improve things-I mean 7 or 8 wins? That's still a big improvement over last year and seems doable to me. Yes, it's a tough schedule, but I don't see why they can't squeeze 7 wins out of it. I'm just not going to get into this "making a bowl game would be a miracle" mindset some people seem to be in. The day I lower my expectations that much is the day I stop following sports. I've never done that for any team I follow, and I'm not going to start now.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

next year I simply want to qualify for a bowl for the extra practices

after that I would be content (not doing cartwheels) if the program could stabilize in the 7-10 win range .... you can pencil in 8-9 wins every single year

you then are in a position to make a leap to the next level with a few outstanding recruiting classes ... by this I mean your typically 15-20 ranked classes but in them you have a true difference maker or 2 (Tommie Frazier) - and you have a much higher "hit" rate on your 4 stars and many of your 3 stars outperform expectations ... you then go on your conf championship - ? playoff run

maybe you can sustain this or maybe you regress back to the norm and wait for the next time the stars align

the Nebraska job is unique ... both in some positive and negative ways ... I don't think we are ever going to recruit consistently in the top 10 ... I think somewhere in the 12-20 range is realistic

I don't think we are going to be Alabama or Clemson consistently

I think we have a great coach who is going to maximize the potential of this program ..... I think it is possible to one day win a national title but I don't think we are ever going to get to the place where we are in the conversation on a frequent basis ... IMO it is more difficult for the stars to align at Nebraska than at an Ohio State ...

there are easier places to win than at Nebraska ... the program would be very good if Nick Saban was the coach but I don't think he would have achieved the same level of success at Nebraska than he has at Alabama

those are just my opinions ... not trying to convince anyone they are right or wrong

GBR

 

[regoratsginrom]

Just looking at the schedule for next year, I see...
Akron - W
Colorado - W
Troy - W
@Michigan - L
Purdue - W (but they are not pushover)
@Wisky - L
@Northwestern - W (but they always give us fits, could be a L)
Minnesota - W
@Ohio State - L
Illinois - W
Michigan State - W
@Iowa - Tossup

So 7 wins...maybe 8...but could also easily be 5.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Hard to misinterpret "grace us", but if I did, I apologize. I'll own it. You'll hear a lot over the few weeks. There will be a lot to soak in. The last 10 years have been strange to say the least.. everything from academic admissions, class scheduling, lifting, pre game protocol and team meals will be talked about. They wont be excuses, it's just enlightening.

Damon... was Osborne unaware it was happening with Bo, or did he just refuse to listen to one of the best college football coaches in history?

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

My opinion is, ah what the hell, everyone has already covered everything to the max. Time to let the staff handle the wreck they came into and get the program up and running again!

 

[Yolobomb]

There is no agenda in saying no excuses. After 10 years of hearing about no excuses, I am finally on board with that mentality. I am a slow learner. The only narrative I see changing is from those who spent years saying no excuses for Pelini and Riley are now preparing themselves to be on the other side of that argument.

This team is now Scott Frost's team, if the team does not win games it will fall on Scott Frost and staff.
The psyche of the team is on Scott Frost and staff to fix. Any damage caused by Mike Riley and his staff is not real or an overreaction.
If the players do not buy in immediately, it is because the staff is not doing an adequate job, none of this falls on the players.
The systems the players have been coached in the last 3 years do not matter. It is up to the current coaches to correct any deficiencies and get the team to play at a high level within the current systems.
Based on the last 4 years recruiting rankings, the average recruit on the current roster is approx 3.24 stars, The talent is there, there should be no reason this team shouldn't be winning at least 8 games next year.
Bo Pelini inherited a 5 win team and won 9 games the following season and tied for the division title.


Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, some of that is tongue in cheek. There will be growing pains, no doubt. However, if this staff doesn't win 8 regular games next year, it should be considered a disappointment. That is the Nebraska standard.

I'm going to make a post, play both sides of a topic, declare some of it tongue in cheek, then claim it's serious.

Ok guy.

 

[TruHusker]

I agree...

Look, if you thought Riley was a good hire you are a dork
If you think Frost needs tons of time and should have low expectations you are a dork.

If you think you still can't rip on Riley you are a dork. If you think you can't rip on Frost, you are a dork.

I have to chuckle at this. I have worked with kids for many years and when they and adults use the word "dork" I have them look it up. Tell me what you find!

 

[huskerfan1414]

It's cool, you can lower your expectations if you want to. But I refuse to lower my expectations for the Nebraska football program. 8 regular season wins is the bare minimum.

You should add "anymore" after you say you refuse to lower your expectations for the nebraska football program. Since you did with the last regime.

 

[SnohomishRed]

My opinion is, ah what the hell, everyone has already covered everything to the max. Time to let the staff handle the wreck they came into and get the program up and running again!

Yep now that we know we have a screwed up program ( who would have thought ) it is time to ponder the good news

1. No more sweep the crap under the carpet
2. No more Harvey to sabotage anything
3. No more having a terrible AD
4. Now we have a real coach who actually sees the real problems and it is obvious to him - go figure

We will get better now sure how long it will take but really good news is that the team won 4 games last year and it easily could have been 6 and the previous year they won 9 so whatever the issues they are fixable but yes most likely it will take some time to do it right

 

[huskerfan1414]

There is no agenda in saying no excuses. After 10 years of hearing about no excuses, I am finally on board with that mentality. I am a slow learner. The only narrative I see changing is from those who spent years saying no excuses for Pelini and Riley are now preparing themselves to be on the other side of that argument.

This team is now Scott Frost's team, if the team does not win games it will fall on Scott Frost and staff.
The psyche of the team is on Scott Frost and staff to fix. Any damage caused by Mike Riley and his staff is not real or an overreaction.
If the players do not buy in immediately, it is because the staff is not doing an adequate job, none of this falls on the players.
The systems the players have been coached in the last 3 years do not matter. It is up to the current coaches to correct any deficiencies and get the team to play at a high level within the current systems.
Based on the last 4 years recruiting rankings, the average recruit on the current roster is approx 3.24 stars, The talent is there, there should be no reason this team shouldn't be winning at least 8 games next year.
Bo Pelini inherited a 5 win team and won 9 games the following season and tied for the division title.


Now before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, some of that is tongue in cheek. There will be growing pains, no doubt. However, if this staff doesn't win 8 regular games next year, it should be considered a disappointment. That is the Nebraska standard.

How many people are actually changing their tune (other than people like you)?
I did not expect Mike Riley to win a B1G title in his first three (or 4) years or even realistically compete for one his first few (although I did expect better competition for the West). This even though he inherited a consistent 9 win team (which is different than what Frost is inheriting). I also do not expect Scott Frost to, just as I didn't expect Riley to.

What I expected of MR was to see competent coaching. I did not see that in year one, especially with our losses due to obvious coaching mistakes.

Riley lovers want to all the sudden say we were expecting miraculous things from Riley so therefore we must expect miraculous things from Frost.

But we didn't expect miraculous things from Riley. If after three years Scott Frost has the same record as MR did, I will pissed, just as I was with Riley. If next year we only have 5 wins I will not be happy, especially if some losses were due to obvious clock mismanagement and scheme mismanagement.

The real hypocrites here are the Riley lovers.

 

[davecisar]

How many people are actually changing their tune (other than people like you)?
I did not expect Mike Riley to win a B1G title in his first three (or 4) years or even realistically compete for one his first few (although I did expect better competition for the West). This even though he inherited a consistent 9 win team (which is different than what Frost is inheriting). I also do not expect Scott Frost to, just as I didn't expect Riley to.

What I expected of MR was to see competent coaching. I did not see that in year one, especially with our losses due to obvious coaching mistakes.

Riley lovers want to all the sudden say we were expecting miraculous things from Riley so therefore we must expect miraculous things from Frost.

But we didn't expect miraculous things from Riley. If after three years Scott Frost has the same record as MR did, I will pissed, just as I was with Riley. If next year we only have 5 wins I will not be happy, especially if some losses were due to obvious clock mismanagement and scheme mismanagement.

The real hypocrites here are the Riley lovers.

Exactly

 

[TruHusker]

How many wins will come due to the change in offensive scheme alone?

Only one position group in 2018 that is not good. The OL sucked last year. Didn't someone say Frost's scheme makes OL blocking easier? How can this group not be at least a little better in 2018?

Gebbia, POB, Bunch, or Martinez will be good. Gebbia is no slouch making quick decisions in tge passing game and he is a baller. We have talent at the QB position. Frost will have them playing well.

Bryant, Bell, Jones, Washington, Oz, Wilbon... we have speed and talent at RB.

Spielman, Morgan, Lindsay, Woodyard, Williams, McQuitty... we have speed and talent in 2018 at WR.

How is our offense not going to put up points in 2018? Seriously. If the offense is as easy to learn as they say, we will score 35ppg. We will not lose games due to the offense not scoring 20 points or more. Anyone that watched UCF can see the offense is very potent.

How well can Frost get it going in 2018? That's the biggest question, but never doubt Frost. He will get these players to put up points.



The 2017 defense sucked. Really sucked. Sucked bad. The only way it can go is up. Chinander's attacking D might take some lumps, but there is no way that the offense puts the defense in the poor situations as often as they did in 2017.

How many pick-6's and INTs keep the other teams in a game in 2017? The offense hurt a defense that didn't need any help hurting. Coach Diaco sucked. No way his influence didn't cause the D to be worse than it should have been.

There is talent on the defense. Now you add Honas, Mixon, Tannor, Williams... the defense will be much improved in 2018. Pelini's defense had a HUGE turnaround in one year.

Chinander's defense didn't do great in the last two games of the regular season against spread teams, but it did stop Memphis the first time they played.

His defense can be pretty salty. Why can't he get the defense up to par? Did last year's "worst defense ever" create the impression that our defense can't be fixed? Didn't we learn that Diaco was the issue?

After hearing these things that DB is saying about the team, maybe the culture issues are the worst ever, but Frost is turning this roster over and will get this team rolling in a hurry.

Tempering expectations for yourself is fine. After the last 3 years, that's expected for some. Why can't some people drink Kool-Aid and think we have a chance to be good in 2018? If some fans think we will suck, why do we all have to think that way?

I think this team, with this coaching staff, will have the ability to win 10 games. Will I be pissed and quit being a fan if they only win 6? Hell no, but why can't I think there is a chance to be good?

Expectations vs hopes and dreams?

I could have quoted dozens of people last year with this same generalization of why the team will be better next year. Some examples were - Armstrong is gone, a passing QB that knows the system, line has more experience, great recruiting at WR, addition by subtraction, bring in Diaco on D and it went on and on and on. All of this data was condensed into a record that we should have won 10 or more games. But alas, it didn't happen. I marveled and smiled when I read all of the "reasons" why things would be better.

Now, we may be much better and again, I sincerely hope we are but the surface games being played are nuts. Get out your paper all day long but it doesn't add up.

This is a long term process of teaching and learning and responsibility. There hasn't been time to implement hardly anything and already we are going to win 10 games because someone makes a list of all said reasons.

It happened between Bo and Riley and now Riley and Frost. I will wait and see.

 

[TwinsRRUs_rivals79748]

I could have quoted dozens of people last year with this same generalization of why the team will be better next year. Some examples were - Armstrong is gone, a passing QB that knows the system, line has more experience, great recruiting at WR, addition by subtraction, bring in Diaco on D and it went on and on and on. All of this data was condensed into a record that we should have won 10 or more games. But alas, it didn't happen. I marveled and smiled when I read all of the "reasons" why things would be better.

Now, we may be much better and again, I sincerely hope we are but the surface games being played are nuts. Get out your paper all day long but it doesn't add up.

This is a long term process of teaching and learning and responsibility. There hasn't been time to implement hardly anything and already we are going to win 10 games because someone makes a list of all said reasons.

It happened between Bo and Riley and now Riley and Frost. I will wait and see.

I was one of those people last year that thought we would surprise the world and win like 10 or 11 games. Then when the season began so poorly with the INTs and lack of "turning a messed up play into a 10 yard QB run", I thought to myself how much I was wrong about a pro-style QB being an accurate passer and how that being accurate was better than a pair of legs.

I was way wrong. Tommy missed a ton og throws, but he made up for it with his legs. When Lee threw so many picks, he couldn't make up with it with his legs and his offensive coaches couldn't save the day with play-calling.

Once the D started snowballing and getting worse, the team mentality seemed to sink more and more. The psyche of this team was horrible by the end of the season, and the team Frost is trying to fix has a long ways to go.

With that said, coming out of high school, those kids had talent. How did things end up so bad? Coaching? Culture? Both? No one can deny that Frost has his work cut out for him.

I really should temper my expectations, but I don't expect 10 wins. I hope for 10 wins.

I expect a better product on the field with players giving 100% effort and coaches developing them to improve their game.

Riley's 3 years was the best thing ever since it got us Frost. Unfortunately that's probably the only positive from his tenure beside ridding the us vs the world mentality Bo created. I want our players to love us fans like we love them, not hate us and think we are the problem.

You are right, there are so many reasons to explain how this team can be could, but in reality, how can someone truly expect it to turn around overnight? I don't know if I expect any certain number of wins, but I will be cheering the team on harder than ever this fall, win or lose. I love being this excited about the future of Husker football. GBR!

 

[redfanusa]

Frost has 15 practices in the fall, only half of which allow contact, and 29 in the fall. There is only so much they are going to be able to do with the team in such a short time. I want to see a tough, smart, sharp, well-coached team that puts forth maximum effort on every down. I don't care about how many games they win out of the gate, as I view winning championships as the long-term goal, and that is going to take some time.

They need to scrape together what wins they can in 2018, recruit out of their minds, and come out in 2019 looking like a contender. That would impress me.

 

[Yolobomb]

Isn’t this illegal? Are we supposed to “out” posters on an anonymous message board?

Gees dude, has someone been pissing in your cheerios for like the last month or what?

 

[mwulf]

Looking ahead when we had Riley I figured at best in 2018 we could win 6 with Frost maybe 8...but looking ahead to 2019 has me a little giddy if the players and program develops like its capable of doing...Love the phrase Unity of Purpose and it seems like for the 1st time since the late 90s its there. 2019 could be a special year

 

[Yolobomb]

Man, you guys are crazy. I'm going to judge each game as they happen and the season as it happens and once it's finished.

You guys getting so out of wack before spring practice even happens are the same ones who thought Tanner Lee was going to be all conference and fix everything.

 

[cmblizz96]

I do clearly remember several posts upon the firing of Pelini and hiring of Riley indicating that simply because of better coaching from Riley that we would go from 9 wins to 10+ and competing for championships. Of course the exact opposite was the reality with what happened. So I would say many thought Riley was going to win pretty big immediately.

 

[HuskerO58]

Heh......funny how with no depth Bo won 9 or 10 games for seven consecutive years. Even with taking over a devastated, losing Clownahan team.

But hey, endless, mindless excuses for Riley's two losing seasons in three years works for me!

Bo had depth with Callahan's players and with early momentum did okay with recruiting. His laziness in recruiting didn't start to show until after the 2011 class.

When it comes to depth, Pelini walked into the best situation of the last 3 coaches. Then Frost, then Riley.

This isn't an excuse for Riley being terrible in year 3, but lets not pretend Frost has it worse than Riley or that Pelini wasn't dealt an awesome hand.

 

[Huskerfan2112]

How many wins will come due to the change in offensive scheme alone?

Only one position group in 2018 that is not good. The OL sucked last year. Didn't someone say Frost's scheme makes OL blocking easier? How can this group not be at least a little better in 2018?

Gebbia, POB, Bunch, or Martinez will be good. Gebbia is no slouch making quick decisions in tge passing game and he is a baller. We have talent at the QB position. Frost will have them playing well.

Bryant, Bell, Jones, Washington, Oz, Wilbon... we have speed and talent at RB.

Spielman, Morgan, Lindsay, Woodyard, Williams, McQuitty... we have speed and talent in 2018 at WR.

How is our offense not going to put up points in 2018? Seriously. If the offense is as easy to learn as they say, we will score 35ppg. We will not lose games due to the offense not scoring 20 points or more. Anyone that watched UCF can see the offense is very potent.

How well can Frost get it going in 2018? That's the biggest question, but never doubt Frost. He will get these players to put up points.



The 2017 defense sucked. Really sucked. Sucked bad. The only way it can go is up. Chinander's attacking D might take some lumps, but there is no way that the offense puts the defense in the poor situations as often as they did in 2017.

How many pick-6's and INTs keep the other teams in a game in 2017? The offense hurt a defense that didn't need any help hurting. Coach Diaco sucked. No way his influence didn't cause the D to be worse than it should have been.

There is talent on the defense. Now you add Honas, Mixon, Tannor, Williams... the defense will be much improved in 2018. Pelini's defense had a HUGE turnaround in one year.

Chinander's defense didn't do great in the last two games of the regular season against spread teams, but it did stop Memphis the first time they played.

His defense can be pretty salty. Why can't he get the defense up to par? Did last year's "worst defense ever" create the impression that our defense can't be fixed? Didn't we learn that Diaco was the issue?

After hearing these things that DB is saying about the team, maybe the culture issues are the worst ever, but Frost is turning this roster over and will get this team rolling in a hurry.

Tempering expectations for yourself is fine. After the last 3 years, that's expected for some. Why can't some people drink Kool-Aid and think we have a chance to be good in 2018? If some fans think we will suck, why do we all have to think that way?

I think this team, with this coaching staff, will have the ability to win 10 games. Will I be pissed and quit being a fan if they only win 6? Hell no, but why can't I think there is a chance to be good?

Expectations vs hopes and dreams?

Thats the second best post I have read all year. Well thought out. Very reasonable points with no hyperbole and negativity.

( best post is still the Sparky Diaper Incident)

 

[HuskerO58]

Good post. But it isn't a "double standard" in my opinion if, as you say, circumstances are different. Different circumstances=different standards

I think you're a great poster Pennsy and I do really enjoy reading your posts, but aren't all circumstances different when a new coach comes in? Therefore we can never have double standards when people start comparing coaches, results, expectations, etc.

 

[bshirt73]

How many people are actually changing their tune (other than people like you)?
I did not expect Mike Riley to win a B1G title in his first three (or 4) years or even realistically compete for one his first few (although I did expect better competition for the West). This even though he inherited a consistent 9 win team (which is different than what Frost is inheriting). I also do not expect Scott Frost to, just as I didn't expect Riley to.

What I expected of MR was to see competent coaching. I did not see that in year one, especially with our losses due to obvious coaching mistakes.

Riley lovers want to all the sudden say we were expecting miraculous things from Riley so therefore we must expect miraculous things from Frost.

But we didn't expect miraculous things from Riley. If after three years Scott Frost has the same record as MR did, I will pissed, just as I was with Riley. If next year we only have 5 wins I will not be happy, especially if some losses were due to obvious clock mismanagement and scheme mismanagement.

The real hypocrites here are the Riley lovers.

100% on the money.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I think you're a great poster Pennsy and I do really enjoy reading your posts, but aren't all circumstances different when a new coach comes in? Therefore we can never have double standards when people start comparing coaches, results, expectations, etc.

Yeah. Probably. Lol.
And thanks. I like your posts too. Very well reasoned and written.

This whole conversation in this thread is kind of weird. I regret sticking my big toe into it. Solich, Callahan, Pelini, Riley, and now Frost. They all faced/face different challenges and circumstances. Some did just okay (Solich, Pelini) and some flopped (Callahan, Riley). It remains to be seen how Frost does. And who the hell really knows how it will all turn out?

But count me among the legions of Frost enthusiasts. I haven't been this hopeful since 1999. So don't burst my bubble!!! Because right now that Frost bubble is nice. I have some real hope for the first time in a while.
So I am willing to give Frost a long leash. I mean... don't you kind of have the feeling that if the Frost hire flops that NU football is pretty much dead? This better be the right hire this time or we are in a world of hurt.
I think it is the right hire.
Just win baby!
GBR

 

[bshirt73]

Yep now that we know we have a screwed up program ( who would have thought ) it is time to ponder the good news

1. No more sweep the crap under the carpet
2. No more Harvey to sabotage anything
3. No more having a terrible AD
4. Now we have a real coach who actually sees the real problems and it is obvious to him - go figure

We will get better now sure how long it will take but really good news is that the team won 4 games last year and it easily could have been 6 and the previous year they won 9 so whatever the issues they are fixable but yes most likely it will take some time to do it right

1. No more sweep the crap under the carpet
2. No more Harvey to sabotage anything
3. No more having a terrible AD
4. Now we have a real coach who actually sees the real problems and it is obvious to him - go figure

Four damn good reasons to be happy about. Well said sir!!

 

[timnsun]

Gees dude, has someone been pissing in your cheerios for like the last month or what?

Ironic

 

[mgbreeze]

Full disclosure... didn't read the whole thread. I'm like "what the hell are these guys arguing about now?" Laughing

I just don't think 18-22 year old boys/men are that fragile mentally. They've been experiencing a leadership vacuum, and now that they have someone to tell them what to do I expect to enjoy next season. Not going to get bogged down with hand wringing over predicting W's or L's.

 

[kbowe1sat]

I do see some posters trying to make excuses for Frost, but there is no need. I fully expect we get 10 wins next year. I'd be very surprised if we got less than 8.

Totally unrealistic ! How about trying to find a mature perspective, and settle down a bit !