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chito_and_leon

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If you don't think this is a panic, I'll just point out that the nation did not shut down for polio. A disease that kills 5-10 percent of the people it infects.

This is literally a panic. 300 people in all of France. Hell 300 people out of Tulsa shouldn't be causing this. The economy will now be dangerously close to a great depression by the time this madness is over.

How many suicides will happen because of people losing their job or their house? How many homeless? How many who will die because they lost their healthcare and their job? For something with a .03 mortality rate with almost exclusively those over 65 or with underlining immune issues.

China reported four new cases yesterday. Four.

The cure is going to be much worse than the disease.
LOL, polio. Nothing as compelling as the "back in my day we had to walk 24 miles uphill each way in the middle of a blizzard with 12 feet of snow and 140 degrees outside and no air conditioning!" argument. Maybe you can vote in a facebook poll or sign a change.org petition or something, I'm sure your name will be quite compelling to others who are not sure.

And FWIW, children (the ones mainly at risk from polio) were banned from public gatherings, movie theaters, bowling alleys, etc. So in our 60 years ago primitive way, we did exactly the same thing. One difference though is that polio was untreatable and unstoppable for decades so the restrictions that you have in year 40 of an outbreak will naturally be different than in day 40. One way or another, the covid restrictions are not long-term and so can be more acute.

https://www.npr.org/sections/npr-hi.../defeating-the-disease-that-paralyzed-america
 

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LOL, polio. Nothing as compelling as the "back in my day we had to walk 24 miles uphill each way in the middle of a blizzard with 12 feet of snow and 140 degrees outside and no air conditioning!" argument. Maybe you can vote in a facebook poll or sign a change.org petition or something, I'm sure your name will be quite compelling to others who are not sure.

And FWIW, children (the ones mainly at risk from polio) were banned from public gatherings, movie theaters, bowling alleys, etc. So in our 60 years ago primitive way, we did exactly the same thing. One difference though is that polio was untreatable and unstoppable for decades so the restrictions that you have in year 40 of an outbreak will naturally be different than in day 40. One way or another, the covid restrictions are not long-term and so can be more acute.

https://www.npr.org/sections/npr-hi.../defeating-the-disease-that-paralyzed-america
Good read!
 
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chito_and_leon

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LOL, polio. Nothing as compelling as the "back in my day we had to walk 24 miles uphill each way in the middle of a blizzard with 12 feet of snow and 140 degrees outside and no air conditioning!" argument. Maybe you can vote in a facebook poll or sign a change.org petition or something, I'm sure your name will be quite compelling to others who are not sure.

And FWIW, children (the ones mainly at risk from polio) were banned from public gatherings, movie theaters, bowling alleys, etc. So in our 60 years ago primitive way, we did exactly the same thing. One difference though is that polio was untreatable and unstoppable for decades so the restrictions that you have in year 40 of an outbreak will naturally be different than in day 40. One way or another, the covid restrictions are not long-term and so can be more acute.

https://www.npr.org/sections/npr-hi.../defeating-the-disease-that-paralyzed-america
More on our long tradition of using isolation and quarantine to control disease.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...anatoriums-were-quarantine-experiment/608335/
 

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LOL, polio. Nothing as compelling as the "back in my day we had to walk 24 miles uphill each way in the middle of a blizzard with 12 feet of snow and 140 degrees outside and no air conditioning!" argument. Maybe you can vote in a facebook poll or sign a change.org petition or something, I'm sure your name will be quite compelling to others who are not sure.

And FWIW, children (the ones mainly at risk from polio) were banned from public gatherings, movie theaters, bowling alleys, etc. So in our 60 years ago primitive way, we did exactly the same thing. One difference though is that polio was untreatable and unstoppable for decades so the restrictions that you have in year 40 of an outbreak will naturally be different than in day 40. One way or another, the covid restrictions are not long-term and so can be more acute.

https://www.npr.org/sections/npr-hi.../defeating-the-disease-that-paralyzed-america

Lol yeah. Did you think I just put that up there? Children were banned from public gathering and schools when we had an outbreak in that area. At no point was there a nation wide ban.

The fact is we are using something the Venetians did in the 1500s to control modern outbreaks when we have much better methods. Funny you picked 40 days as originally it was the length of time chosen for a quarantine, because it was the same period of time as lent. It just so happened to be longer than the incubation time of that disease which was close to half of that period.

Literally guessing and relying on faith wad the foundation of this primitive method, which is very similar to what we are doing right now roughly 500 years later.

Instead of responding like a modern nation with advanced science and health care we went backwards to a solution from 400 years ago that was somewhat successful.

Meanwhile, South Korea applied massive testing and a coordinated isolation of positives to eliminate the threat.

Meanwhile the stats have come out and those over 50 years and male share the highest rate of mortality while those 40 and under have response rates akin to a bad flu year.

By the way do you know what our government is primarily compromised of? Men over 55.

In the meantime we are killing our economy and the doctors are admitting they have no idea what is actually happening and are making their best guess, which is why they can't put a time line on a disease that is communicable five days before symptoms is still transmittable at a high rate for 21 days after recovery and may be able to be spread 37 days after recovery.

How many suicides will we get because of this economic collapse, as the supply chains are stretched by closures and disruptions, how many will die because of the lack of medicine, equipment, and treatment for other things? There are consequences everyone is ignoring that will become very real long before this method of disease control will bring us out of this.

The Independent did an article about just some of the very real economic collapses coming down the pipeline and the issues they will bring that will far out weigh the negative consequence of the covid 19 outbreak.

One of the largest industries in America has been crippled. One where nearly 20m Americans work in, far more than the major industries such as manufacturing or steel working that people regularly worry about hurting the U.S. with job losses. A large portion of our economy, actually the largest in some ways, the service industry is pretty much done.
 

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Lol yeah. Did you think I just put that up there? Children were banned from public gathering and schools when we had an outbreak in that area. At no point was there a nation wide ban.

The fact is we are using something the Venetians did in the 1500s to control modern outbreaks when we have much better methods. Funny you picked 40 days as originally it was the length of time chosen for a quarantine, because it was the same period of time as lent. It just so happened to be longer than the incubation time of that disease which was close to half of that period.

Literally guessing and relying on faith wad the foundation of this primitive method, which is very similar to what we are doing right now roughly 500 years later.

Instead of responding like a modern nation with advanced science and health care we went backwards to a solution from 400 years ago that was somewhat successful.

Meanwhile, South Korea applied massive testing and a coordinated isolation of positives to eliminate the threat.

Meanwhile the stats have come out and those over 50 years and male share the highest rate of mortality while those 40 and under have response rates akin to a bad flu year.

By the way do you know what our government is primarily compromised of? Men over 55.

In the meantime we are killing our economy and the doctors are admitting they have no idea what is actually happening and are making their best guess, which is why they can't put a time line on a disease that is communicable five days before symptoms is still transmittable at a high rate for 21 days after recovery and may be able to be spread 37 days after recovery.

How many suicides will we get because of this economic collapse, as the supply chains are stretched by closures and disruptions, how many will die because of the lack of medicine, equipment, and treatment for other things? There are consequences everyone is ignoring that will become very real long before this method of disease control will bring us out of this.

The Independent did an article about just some of the very real economic collapses coming down the pipeline and the issues they will bring that will far out weigh the negative consequence of the covid 19 outbreak.

One of the largest industries in America has been crippled. One where nearly 20m Americans work in, far more than the major industries such as manufacturing or steel working that people regularly worry about hurting the U.S. with job losses. A large portion of our economy, actually the largest in some ways, the service industry is pretty much done.
You've come a long way from we didn't do anything like this for polio to people have been doing this for 500 years... I think everyone agrees that it would have been nice to handle this like Korea did but denialism and incompetence at the federal level prevented us from beibg able to do that and its too late now. So we're stuck with much more limited options. Data in the US suggests the seriously affected people are younger here than elsewhere.

A lot of smart people around the globe have come to different conclusions on the cost benefit than you. I dont know enough to have an educated opinion (dead people actually cost a lot btw) and you don't either. So I'll hunker down and do the best I can.