A LFL Question for the Board:

[birdawg]

It doesn't matter how many have occurred in the past. It's about preventing one in the future.

Typical dumb post. There are such things as building codes that COULD be used to manage safety of rigs.

Funny how ppl flock to safety as a reason for changing LFL when there are a multitude of other options to solve the safety concerns.

Could build a new grandstand and lofts without touching LFL. Ppl act like it's impossible but those would be short sighted ppl with some other motivation for change LFL. Prob bc they can't get a spot out there without change.

 

[J-Dawg]

Yeah that's it. Change the whole stadium just to run out the lifers in the LFL so certain people can get a spot. You hit the nail on the head buddy. **

 

[LawDawg97]

We're about to build one of the finest facilities

those would be short sighted ppl with some other motivation for change LFL. Prob bc they can't get a spot out there without change.

in NCAA baseball. And you really think this? This is truther level delusion.

 

[aTotal360]

Look. I was on your side of the discussion until I realized all the LFL lifers will be given first right of refusal on their spot. Yes, it might cost a little more, but it's still not expensive.

 

[birdawg]

Another dumb post. This is a whole new level of denial.

I don't "think" anything. I can't figure out the motivation of those that absolutely insist on changing LFL. I've yet to see a logical argument. You certainly haven't provided one and all the ones begging for change certainly haven't. I'm all for (and renewing my grandstand seats) the new stadium, but again not a single poster has made a logical argument for why safety concerns can't be mitigated.

I'm all ears if one you complainers without a solution wants to explain it. Please enlighten me.

in NCAA baseball. And you really think this? This is truther level delusion.

 

[birdawg]

Thanks, JD. Typical whiney brat poster without a solution and only bitchy sarcastic remarks.

 

[MSUDawg25]

It absolutely can be mitigated. What we saw in the initial renderings is nowhere near a final product. People will voice their opinions and those will be taken into account as the project evolves. But there will be SOME changes. We aren't going to build a $40MM stadium and leave the outfield exactly as is and with no amenities out there. And safety will be a big part of this. Are we not allowed to make them safer? The bigger problem is the people (namely in HD6's other thread) using not wanting to change LFL as a reason to veto the WHOLE PROJECT. Never change anything ever!!!

 

[patdog]

It was better before splitting up the student section. I don't care if we're 20-0.

Trust me, if we're 20-0, the Hump's gonna be rocking like you wouldn't believe.

 

[dawgoneyall]

A facility that in 10 to 15 years will be just another cookie cutter stadium when everyone else upgrades.

There won't be much interest in the left field platforms by the national media.

MSU has something that no one else has and people just blow it off. Damn.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

A facility that in 10 to 15 years will be just another cookie cutter stadium when everyone else upgrades.

There won't be much interest in the left field platforms by the national media.

MSU has something that no one else has and people just blow it off. Damn.

This is cookie cutter?

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You've got to be kidding me. This is going to be the greatest, most unique facility college baseball history. Some of the amenities and features in this park are going to be two decades ahead of its time for a college stadium. Cookie cutter my ***.

 

[dawgoneyall]

You think other schools are going to sit around with their finger up their a$$.

And excuse me....15 years vs two decades what was I thinking. Damn.

 

[patdog]

The trolls are out in force in this thread.

 

[birdawg]

Without question, in 10 years everyone will have power in the outfield with little park style grills embedded in the concrete and out stadium will absolutely be cookie cutter at that point. No one can replicate what's currently there.

Some of you people really need longer vision.

 

[vandaldawg]

Do you mean in general...

What is billed as either/or?

or specific to Dudy Noble?

 

[HD6]

So you think all of the West schools, all of whom have just completed major renovations in the last decade, are going to dump another 20 million plus into baseball within 10 years?

 

[J-Dawg]

If you truly believe that people only want to change the LFL because they can't get/don't have a spot in the lounge, then sarcasm is the only proper response to your post.

'preciate the name-calling, though. Haven't been called a brat since junior high.

 

[rem101]

Why can't people replicate what's currently there? What stops them from backing trailers up to the outfield fence? The people have made LFL what it is, and the people will continue to make that, or at least the ones who go to games after the change.

 

[J-Dawg]

Without question, in 10 years everyone will have power in the outfield with little park style grills embedded in the concrete and out stadium will absolutely be cookie cutter at that point. No one can replicate what's currently there.

Some of you people really need longer vision.

Oh that's beautiful irony there.

 

[57stratdawg]

But it would be at 80% of rocking prior to splitting up the students.

 

[MeridianDog]

- Over the course of the last thirty years....

So, D-Dirt, are you an attorney? You know, you can file for discovery and they must tell you these things under oath, rather than sneaking around trying to find them on six pack.

Or you could pay a research firm to do the search for you. You do know you can bill your client for all of these things?

 

[birdawg]

20 million to run electrical wires and allow grills? Try $2 million and yes of course they will if it increases revenue.

Some of you can't separate the fact that a new stadium with ALL the same awesome features (walk around LFL and see game) CAN BE DONE bundling AROUND the current LFL.

1st tier remains same. Then a concourse that's at a higher elevation. Then a 2nd tier behind the concourse. Its not that hard.

It's like people want to get rid of what's there so we can have new stadium but the stadium can be built around what's there.

Still not a single logical argument.

 

[birdawg]

So you're still the same whiney brat you were in junior high. That's sad.

Appreciate your solution to the topic at hand.

 

[birdawg]

Typical whiney brat post with no solution.

 

[HD6]

And you also think that schools like Alabama and Auburn will pick up an extra 4000 fans that want to sit in the outfield? This is a picture of Alex Box...

Where exactly are those setups going out there? They'd have to knock down everything behind the wall.

You're the one saying cookie cutter. The only way what's in that rendering becomes cookie cutter is if the other schools blow up their stadiums and start new.

 

[LawDawg97]

I'll give you some logical arguments if you'll look at them logically

Still not a single logical argument.

Keep in mind this is after talking to someone at the architecture firm that has designed this, and coming from me who will continue to sit behind the third base dugout and does not care about getting my own spot in LFL.

The new design looks better and is unlike anything in the NCAA. You will still get great national publicity about the new stadium, just as we did for years about the LFL.
The new design still allows for a substantially similar outfield experience, but replaces temporary movable structures with permanent, safer seating
Added safety is a by-product. It is not the only reason this is done (as some of you seem to want to argue) but it is an added benefit.
The new design adds seating. You will have a tiered left field lounge (yes, you can still call it that) AND lofts behind it
You CANNOT do the point above as you suggest. You cannot leave those movable structures there and build a permanent grandstand around it. This will look terrible and is not logistically possible. From an architectural standpoint, it would just be stupid.
Finally, the new design has been put forward after serious consideration, the blessing of our administration, our coaching staff, and tens of thousands of fans and alumni of our university that have longer vision (as you requested) and can see how much better this product will be. For the few hundred of you that think you can do better, well you just can't.

 

[birdawg]

Can you explain why in your example (although you said west coast schools earlier) would require blowing up the entire stadium to make a change to the outfield bleachers if it increases revenue and fan participation?

Do you think since schools built a stadium within the last 5 years that they will remain exactly the same from now on? Because unless I'm mistaken I believe that's what you're saying.

West coast schools built new stadiums a decade ago, and I said in 10 years if it increases revenue and fan participation then others will follow. I don't understand why it's infathomable that a stadium may need updating after 20 years.

 

[birdawg]

Another question....

Why do you want LFL to change to the current renderings?

 

[HD6]

Because I think it will be better.

 

[birdawg]

HAHAHA Ok that's really all I needed to know. You want everyone to think the same as you, while I'm trying to satisfy both sides.

I'll bow out here.

 

[HD6]

West schools. SEC West. The west coast schools seat like 2000 people, they aren't in the same league as the SEC.

I believe that there won't be any huge renovations in the SEC West in the next 5 years, no. Not on this level, I'm sure there will be some small bits fixed up. Alabama is opening a new 42 million dollar stadium next year. LSU just dropped 38 million six years ago. A&M opened a brand new park in 2012. Ole Miss dropped 19 million in 2009. Arkansas has a stadium that is just now 20 years old. They aren't starting from scratch anytime soon. Auburn is the one who renovated the longest ago, but who's coming to their games to make it worth dropping that kind of coin.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

20 million to run electrical wires and allow grills? Try $2 million and yes of course they will if it increases revenue.

Some of you can't separate the fact that a new stadium with ALL the same awesome features (walk around LFL and see game) CAN BE DONE bundling AROUND the current LFL.

1st tier remains same. Then a concourse that's at a higher elevation. Then a 2nd tier behind the concourse. Its not that hard.

It's like people want to get rid of what's there so we can have new stadium but the stadium can be built around what's there.

Still not a single logical argument.

LOL, okay Mr. Logical. The irony here is that what you're suggesting is totally illogical and impossible. How exactly are we going to build a level plane, 360 degree concourse and grandstand with loft apartments surrounding it and still drag 86 temporary rigs in and out twice per year? The only possible way I can even think of is if we got a damn crane and lifted each individual rig over the stadium and into place. What you are suggesting makes no sense. Our only option is to build permanent structures into the new grandstand.

I would love to see your master plan for building the stadium around the current LFL and still being able to move rigs in and out twice a year.

 

[J-Dawg]

So you're still the same whiney brat you were in junior high. That's sad.

Appreciate your solution to the topic at hand.

Why do you assume I'm offering a solution? I think the current renderings are awesome. What's the problem we are facing here?

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Another question....

Why do you want LFL to change to the current renderings?

First and foremost, it makes the lounge and the outfield as a whole far more inclusive.
I think Scott is going to do everything in his power to make it individualized and unique- and I think he has already made a great start towards that with what is proposed right now.
The new lounges will also be more convenient for rig owners and much less of a hassle.
I think it is a great vision that takes something very special to all of us- and makes it modern and all-around better for everyone.

The more I think about it, money and safety (while important points) are pretty far down the list of reasons why I think the new vision for the lounge and stadium as a whole is better than what we have right now.

 

[rem101]

You really think schools can replicate what we're doing in the outfield for $2 million?

 

[HD6]

Don't brats normally whine because they aren't going to get what they want? Seems like that's you in this instance.

 

[birdawg]

Why do you assume I'm offering a solution? I think the current renderings are awesome. What's the problem we are facing here?

Thats exactly it. The problem is that you aren't offering a solution. There is clearly a divided fanbase and whiney brats like you wander around and bark little catch phrases like "safety!1!" and "lifers!!1" with no logic and offer zero solution rather choose to be the wedge that divides.

Come up with a solution, find logic in your clueless rants, or keep your mouth shut. You sound very young and could apply this advice to most areas of your life. Complainers without solutions are the most unlikable and unrespected people out there. Do yourself and your girlfriend a favor a stop being a whiney brat complainer.

 

[birdawg]

Haha you're the one that's whining because of what YOU want, not me.

Im renewing my seats regardless, and I personally think both sides can be appeased, not just your side. I actually like your definition of whiner better than mine.

Im trying to appease both sides and your only argument is "because i like it better", and you think Im the brat. hahahaha ok HD play on playa

Don't brats normally whine because they aren't going to get what they want? Seems like that's you in this instance.

 

[birdawg]

Make them permanent, Mr. Rocket Scientist.

LOL, okay Mr. Logical. The irony here is that what you're suggesting is totally illogical and impossible. How exactly are we going to build a level plane, 360 degree concourse and grandstand with loft apartments surrounding it and still drag 86 temporary rigs in and out twice per year? The only possible way I can even think of is if we got a damn crane and lifted each individual rig over the stadium and into place. What you are suggesting makes no sense. Our only option is to build permanent structures into the new grandstand.

I would love to see your master plan for building the stadium around the current LFL and still being able to move rigs in and out twice a year.

 

[birdawg]

Yes. The CONCEPT is electricity and "tailgating" in the outfield. I've said nothing about replicating our exact master plan. I said it would cost $2 million or less to allow grills and run power.

The plan doesn't have to be identical to mock the concept.

You really think schools can replicate what we're doing in the outfield for $2 million?

 

[birdawg]

Logical argument but I think we disagree with how it would be built. In my suggestion Im not saying build a grandstand around LFL, rather build up a concourse that splits the 2 tiers and the structures will be permanent. The overall design is quite similar to TD Ameritrade and from going there in 2013 I can tell you walking around the outfield was BY FAR the neatest and most unique part of that stadium.

I feel like that concept can be built around what's currently there and potentially cost less than building a grandstand.

Or, assign owners a space and let them customize their own way rather than having 4 options to choose from. Its the originality of LFL that makes it unique, not 4 cookie cutter options.