And more specifically engie and HD6 - Over the course of the last thirty years, how many documented injuries requiring medical treatment/intervention have we had out in the LFL due to structural failure of the rigs? Please provide real numbers, not estimates or rhetorical speculation. Thank you
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It doesn't matter how many have occurred in the past. It's about preventing one in the future.
I'll get off your lawn now.
I'll get off your lawn now.
Let's just wait until someone gets seriously hurt and sues the university. The university is being proactive, that's a good thing.
I'm sick of the good ole boys around state that are more concerned with themselves then the advancement of the baseball program.
I'm sick of the good ole boys around state that are more concerned with themselves then the advancement of the baseball program.
HD6 is right...
The liability isn't the main issue. It's being able to monetize the LFL. Liability is an issue, but that is workable. And as far as being better than ever, it will be better than ever in the same way that Paris in the Disney It's a Small World After All ride is better than the actual Paris. Not against the expansion. Not at all. I even by and large like the stadium design. I just think there are better solutions for the LFL that satisfy the concerns of the University, and maintain the uniqueness that is basically one of our only two homegrown traditions.
The liability isn't the main issue. It's being able to monetize the LFL. Liability is an issue, but that is workable. And as far as being better than ever, it will be better than ever in the same way that Paris in the Disney It's a Small World After All ride is better than the actual Paris. Not against the expansion. Not at all. I even by and large like the stadium design. I just think there are better solutions for the LFL that satisfy the concerns of the University, and maintain the uniqueness that is basically one of our only two homegrown traditions.
You really found yourself important enough to start a brand new thread posing the same question as the thread that gave you the idea that is literally 3 posts down on the front page? I find that to be a hilarious extension of the self-important sense of entitlement segment of our fanbase.
I just hope and pray none of you taking the position are actually design engineers in any field. "It's good to go till it kills someone" is an incomprehensible thought process to me.
I just hope and pray none of you taking the position are actually design engineers in any field. "It's good to go till it kills someone" is an incomprehensible thought process to me.
In response to missouridawg, not necessarily, since one of the foremost arguments to transform the lounge into a tiered area within Dudy Noble (to compete with the sterile, lack luster "beer gardens and shower facility" outside the park at TSUN) is fan safety. So is it safe, or not? What do the statistics indicate? Rhetoric needs to be replaced with realistic evidence, pro- or con.
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It appears that everyone engages in idle speculation to fuel their emotional arguments, but seldom are there any facts to support what they are advancing. So I was merely asking a question to seek sone specific answers, knowing full and well that the baseball authorities here (including you) probably are all gas and no substance! Sorry if I disrupted your day on the keyboard, engie.
There are definitely pros and cons but if you don't know anyone with a LFL rig - you really can't watch a game and experience the LFL.
The fact that there will be a 360 degree concourse where even those that don't have a spot can go out - watch the game - and experience the outfield is huge selling point to me.
The fact that there will be a 360 degree concourse where even those that don't have a spot can go out - watch the game - and experience the outfield is huge selling point to me.
I don't think people are really 'standing' against the expansion. I haven't seen anyone ever say "I'm not going to go to the new baseball stadium".
However, I don't believe, myself included, that there is a rather large group of people that say: "my ideal scenario would be leveling the grandstands, building sky boxes, building the Lofts, and leaving the trailers in LFL". I'm happy either way. Can't wait to see us break ground, but I think we'll lose some of the character of DNF if we go to permanent structures in LFL compared to the current situation.
However, I don't believe, myself included, that there is a rather large group of people that say: "my ideal scenario would be leveling the grandstands, building sky boxes, building the Lofts, and leaving the trailers in LFL". I'm happy either way. Can't wait to see us break ground, but I think we'll lose some of the character of DNF if we go to permanent structures in LFL compared to the current situation.
Exactly. Does it really matter? LFL is changing. Either get over it or just don't come to games. It won't make a difference to me either way, and don't use the excuse that it will lower attendance because there is a list of people waiting to get in much longer than the list wanting out.
What if every premises owner in this country waited for there to be an accident
BEFORE making a change to a potentially hazardous condition? Try telling your liability insurer your property is safe merely because no one has been hurt on it yet.
BEFORE making a change to a potentially hazardous condition? Try telling your liability insurer your property is safe merely because no one has been hurt on it yet.
The thing is, though. Like many things these days, this is billed as an either/or proposition when that isn't necessarily the case.
Every time we have expanded or upgraded our big 3 sports facilities there has always been a group of people opposed to whatever progress we are trying to achieve. Mainly these are the people who have been getting a 'steal of a deal' and paying way below market value for the seats they have been occupying. It happened when we expanded DWS, re-seated the Hump to pay for the basketball IPF, and when we originally built and subsequently expanded DNF. We didn't listen to their bitching and went ahead with plans and did these things. The monies we generated from these ventures have transformed our university from a sleepy backwater joke to state of the art facilities. We can hold our own with anyone in the SEC. We may not be the biggest but we damn sure have some of the best, most modern facilities in the conference. In addition to the actual venues themselves there are new practice facilities as well. And new facilities for other sports as well. Sure, a lot of this was paid for with the recent influx of TV monies but what got the ball rolling was US! Everybody wants the nice shiny new stuff but they don't want to be the ones to make the sacrifice to have them. We all want the other schmucks to be the ones who foot the bill.
I've sat in LFL many a time and have enjoyed myself immensely. But if getting rid of those rigs is what it takes to have the stadium pictured in those renderings then I say "Go for it!" When I walked into DWS for the first time after the endzone expansion actual tears of pride welled up in my eyes. I want to have that same feeling at DWS in the near future. HAIL STATE!
I've sat in LFL many a time and have enjoyed myself immensely. But if getting rid of those rigs is what it takes to have the stadium pictured in those renderings then I say "Go for it!" When I walked into DWS for the first time after the endzone expansion actual tears of pride welled up in my eyes. I want to have that same feeling at DWS in the near future. HAIL STATE!
There were people opposing the North Endzone expansion, Seal Complex, basketball practice facility?
Yes. Some worried about traffic problems, tickets prices going up, etc
There always are. Hell, I remember a small group complaining about the Junction going in because they thought they were going to be losing their favorite tailgate spot. They had no idea how much better it would be, they just complained because it changed their way of doing things.
I bet in a few years we'll be on here saying: There were people actually opposed to this incredible the DNF renovation?
There always are. Hell, I remember a small group complaining about the Junction going in because they thought they were going to be losing their favorite tailgate spot. They had no idea how much better it would be, they just complained because it changed their way of doing things.
I bet in a few years we'll be on here saying: There were people actually opposed to this incredible the DNF renovation?
I twisted the **** out of my ankle climbing up a ladder carrying a cooler with 2-3 cases of beverages w no ice. It's was a Fri or Sat night regional in early 90s. Those things started early and went all day into the night back then. I drank some of those pain relieving beverages and played through it. The walk through ATL changing planes Mon. AM was biotch.
The funny thing to me about all the people making these sweeping generalizations saying there's no way LFL will ever be unique- is that if they'd just get on the horn with Scott and give him some suggestions about how to make the new LFL individualized and unique, I KNOW he'd be more than willing to take the time and hear them out and possibly use their ideas. That's what he wants out of all this.
The old rigs are going away whether people like it or not- it's just going to happen. You can either get on board with it and try to make the best of it, or you can kick and scream like a child. Who knows, maybe you'll even like the new LFL better than the old one.
The old rigs are going away whether people like it or not- it's just going to happen. You can either get on board with it and try to make the best of it, or you can kick and scream like a child. Who knows, maybe you'll even like the new LFL better than the old one.
I have a trailer in the LFL for 20 years now and am all for the change, and to try to answer the question as far as I know there's never been a serious injury. That being said there are rigs out there that (IMO) are unsafe, but that's only a small percentage. I see both sides of the argument but for me I welcome not having to keep up with the maintenance on my rig plus the towing it in and out along with leveling it off. Since we'll have a brand new stadium having some of those rigs out there would be an eye soar to some. The new LFL spots will be 8'x20, have power, you can get 1 or 2 levels plus if you want the University will provide 10 chairs(owner option). That's it, it's there forever and maintain it. For me it's a win win.
I'm pretty sure the boardwalk was supposed to be walkable all around and not a saved area for the LFLers immediately behind it. Some LFLers even had the boardwalk purposefully blocked off in front of their spot, like with a rope or their grill.
I'm looking forward to a new open concourse around the outfield, too.
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The only disagreement I have with this statement is the Hump's atmosphere sucks after the reseating of students to increase revenues. I know it coincides with us being terrible. I'll agree to that. If you look at Duke, KU, and other major basketball programs, they recognize the need for the students to be a major part of the atmosphere and put them court side.
I'm excited about Dudy Noble upgrades but I can't say with 100% certainty like others that the LFL will still be as highly regarded as it has in the past. Like DS though, I think the ENTIRE outfield could get the LFL's reputation with the way they are setting it up. More people will be a part of it and I am willing to support losing the feel of the lounge for that opportunity.
I don't know but how many cheerleaders had sued Mississippi State prior to the one sueing now after having her leg broken by an ESPN camera rig? Are you suppose to wait until a major incident happens before you try to prevent one?
No. A more accurate analogy: Quit driving 80 mph down the city streets
and get it down closer to the speed limit. You've managed to avoid a wreck so far, but driving slower and safer will reduce the likelihood of one in the future.
And while you're at it trade in that 1985 Camaro that was great in the 80s for something a little more with the times and has better features.
and get it down closer to the speed limit. You've managed to avoid a wreck so far, but driving slower and safer will reduce the likelihood of one in the future.
And while you're at it trade in that 1985 Camaro that was great in the 80s for something a little more with the times and has better features.
This boardwalk...
And I actually miss the see through fences. I was not a fan of the boardwalk when it was constructed.
And I actually miss the see through fences. I was not a fan of the boardwalk when it was constructed.
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