A case for AM

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AM is above average 75% of the time. Its the 25% that kills us.

If he had made those 2 throws that he overthrew, we win the game and people commend him for playing well.
he's an above average runner.

he's a very poor thrower. below average would be a giant step up.

I'm not sure what those percentages break down to in terms of plays, but that's the reality.
 

salsa red

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I don't understand why the coaches don't give him easier throws. IL had simple out routs to get their backup qb comfortable. There were no quick throws for Martinez even in situations where IL was bringing pressure. No screens, I even saw several opportunities for bubble screens we didn't take. We need a better play caller.
 

leodisflowers

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I don't understand why the coaches don't give him easier throws. IL had simple out routs to get their backup qb comfortable. There were no quick throws for Martinez even in situations where IL was bringing pressure. No screens, I even saw several opportunities for bubble screens we didn't take. We need a better play caller.
Go back and watch the tape. He has easy throws, he just doesn't seem to see them very well or just can't make the throw. The play that he got strip sacked on he had a WR on a 3 yard slant play with a defender about 6 yards off. It's 3rd and 2 and a pretty straight forward throw....... WHIFF! Has Hickman running wide open to get us in FG range or more (no defender close).... WHIFFFFF Liewer wide open in the endzone.... WHIFFFFFF Manning running down the sideline 9 yards from a defender...... Doesn't even look in that direction. Easy throw on like 3 and 5 in the 1st Quarter and drives it right into the ground.... A lot of it just comes back to Adrian not being a good player when it matters. He seems to make those throws when we are down 21 and it is going to take a miraculous comeback to win, but when it is crunch time and the spotlight is on he wilts. That seems to just be what he has become.
 
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I’m no AM sympathizer, but the clip doesn’t clearly show his first read was the right side of the field, then he did well to scan back left and find Hickman running free… however Sichterman couldn’t sustain his block for more than 2.5 seconds and Adrian was hit in the leg as he released.
Could he still have made the throw or perhaps stepped up in the pocket? probably.
But in live game action, in 3 seconds to read right, scan left, and never know where your pocket is collapsing because it came from all sides Saturday, that’s a difficult job.
It is his entire mechanics... his feet are rarely set when he throws and he like Tommy Armstrong lean backwards when he throws...
 

BuckysBoys1

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It is his entire mechanics... his feet are rarely set when he throws and he like Tommy Armstrong lean backwards when he throws...
His footwork on Saturday was so amazingly bad. It was not like that his first season. How in the world has his footwork gotten worse? He did have pressure on nearly every play, but it was bad.
 

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Yet there were times where he was standing there all day trying to decide what to do. The OL gave him enough time, he just doesn't process things fast enough.
 

IM4NUAlways_

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I’m no AM sympathizer, but the clip doesn’t clearly show his first read was the right side of the field, then he did well to scan back left and find Hickman running free… however Sichterman couldn’t sustain his block for more than 2.5 seconds and Adrian was hit in the leg as he released.
Could he still have made the throw or perhaps stepped up in the pocket? probably.
But in live game action, in 3 seconds to read right, scan left, and never know where your pocket is collapsing because it came from all sides Saturday, that’s a difficult job.
Its not difficult for most Div 1 QB's. Not difficult at all.
 

Baxter48_rivals204143

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It is his entire mechanics... his feet are rarely set when he throws and he like Tommy Armstrong lean backwards when he throws...
he doesn’t use his shoulder or follow through he like slings it with no velocity most are rainbow similar to Taylor I this is why he struggles throwing 1-20 yard Saturday he was 0 for 10 for 10-20 yards
 
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Wouldn’t you think a QB guru such as Mario could fix someone’s footwork in 3 years?

We have 2 positions where we have the worst position coach in P5. Not gonna win that way.
 

bama_husker

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"The only guy that really could beat us, we thought, was 2,” Bielema said, referring to NU quarterback Adrian Martinez.

So much for the RB, WR, and TE hype. The only guy on our offense the other team cared about is also the only guy on our offense many want to see benched.

Sadly, without AM, we have an inexperienced QB with inexperienced and not-all-that-talented RBs, a porous and mistake-prone OL, and a WR corps that can't get open (not that it matters if you have a QB who lacks the ability and time to get them the ball). What we need to do is put AM in situations where he doesn't have to rely on talents he doesn't have. Keep him on the move and tell him to run when he can. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt. At this point we shouldn't worry about it.
We had poor run blocking, new RB's, and a QB who can't get the ball consistently to receivers.
AM can turn a broken field scramble into a big play, which he did.
So what Bielema is saying is true, regardless off the quality of receivers or RB's.
 
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Wouldn’t you think a QB guru such as Mario could fix someone’s footwork in 3 years?

We have 2 positions where we have the worst position coach in P5. Not gonna win that way.
Based on what we see from AM in practice, there is zero emphasis on footwork.

He stands flat footed in the pocket during walkthroughs & lobs it in there

To absolutely nobody’s surprise, he does the same thing in games
 

oldjar07

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I’m no AM sympathizer, but the clip doesn’t clearly show his first read was the right side of the field, then he did well to scan back left and find Hickman running free… however Sichterman couldn’t sustain his block for more than 2.5 seconds and Adrian was hit in the leg as he released.
Could he still have made the throw or perhaps stepped up in the pocket? probably.
But in live game action, in 3 seconds to read right, scan left, and never know where your pocket is collapsing because it came from all sides Saturday, that’s a difficult job.
Come on dude. That's his job to scan the field in a split second and make the correct decision. Receiver was wide open and Martinez completely misseed.
 

steinek11

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Imo Adrian doesn’t make fast enough decisions during the game he hesitates to much, I venture to say he’s a great practice player since everything is in a controlled environment, this is year four he hasn’t improved and I blame frost for that and the inability to recruit another quarterback
It really is that simple
 

Wasker77

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"The only guy that really could beat us, we thought, was 2,” Bielema said, referring to NU quarterback Adrian Martinez.

So much for the RB, WR, and TE hype. The only guy on our offense the other team cared about is also the only guy on our offense many want to see benched.

Sadly, without AM, we have an inexperienced QB with inexperienced and not-all-that-talented RBs, a porous and mistake-prone OL, and a WR corps that can't get open (not that it matters if you have a QB who lacks the ability and time to get them the ball). What we need to do is put AM in situations where he doesn't have to rely on talents he doesn't have. Keep him on the move and tell him to run when he can. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt. At this point we shouldn't worry about it.
I have a question. Please excuse me, but I could not find a depth chart. If Adrian ever got hurt who is the back-up quarterback? Is it Smothers?
 

dinglefritz

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he's an above average runner.

he's a very poor thrower. below average would be a giant step up.

I'm not sure what those percentages break down to in terms of plays, but that's the reality.
I've mentioned his completion percentage from last year a time or two. That said his high completion percentage is a little misleading because of the yards per catch stat. That tells you that most of those throws were probably within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Ironically maybe his best throw was to Martin deep down the middle but that was thrown off his back foot with pressure coming up the middle. It was all arm but at least he got it there albeit a little late and half half a step short. They really couldn't make the throws any easier for him IMO and he still fails to execute.

The REAL problem is that they keep calling drop backs or play action where there's no real chance they're handing it off. Almost 2 solid quarters starting early in the 2nd quarter without a RB run play. That has to change. At some point they need to call running plays and just tell him, either you hand it off or you run it. Maybe you only get 2 yards but eventually you'll break a big one. I am NOT opposed to a pass heavy offense but you damned well better have a better passer than AM running it.
 
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Frost's system is highly dependent on a great QB. Some teams can manage around an average QB that is lacking in some areas like arm strength, accuracy, running ability, decision making, by using other assets around them to make up for it, but Frost cannot or refuses to make adjustments based on Martinez's deficiencies. He wants him to be a great passer, but he is not. He wants him to have quick reaction, but he does not. Frost may just end up losing his job here because he went all in with Martinez hoping for something out of him that he simply does not possess the ability for.
 

BuckysBoys1

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Wouldn’t you think a QB guru such as Mario could fix someone’s footwork in 3 years?

We have 2 positions where we have the worst position coach in P5. Not gonna win that way.
Yes he should fix his footwork. My question is how in the hell did his footwork get worse in year 4. Absolutely unacceptable
 

big red23

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but he didn't have time... and receivers couldn't get open. Sick

I am so sick of those excuses for AM, he is not a good QB. All Bielema was talking about was that Frost doesn't know how to use the other players to utilize our entire offense.
 

Wasker77

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Frost's system is highly dependent on a great QB. Some teams can manage around an average QB that is lacking in some areas like arm strength, accuracy, running ability, decision making, by using other assets around them to make up for it, but Frost cannot or refuses to make adjustments based on Martinez's deficiencies. He wants him to be a great passer, but he is not. He wants him to have quick reaction, but he does not. Frost may just end up losing his job here because he went all in with Martinez hoping for something out of him that he simply does not possess the ability for.
Ok, but why hasn't Scott lined up a quality back-up or replacement? I think he should have tried harder to keep Gebbia.