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Do away with CFP Committee. AP ranking decides. Playoffs are the P5 conference champions + 2 at-large + 1 G5 if conference champ and ranked in the Top 15 or a third at-large.
Each of the eight teams are ranked 1-8. 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. Six Bowls rotate 1-8 match-ups, semifinals and finals.

Year 1
On New Years Day
Orange- 1/8
Peach- 2/7
Sugar- 3/6
Cotton- 4/5
Fiesta- 2 at-large non-playoff teams
Rose- 2 at-large non-playoff teams

First Saturday after NYD at least 7 days from NYD
Semi 1 (Cotton)- winner of Peach vs. winner of Sugar
Semi 2 (Fiesta)- winner of Orange vs, winner of Cotton

Second Saturday after NYD at least 7 days from NYD
Championship (Rose)

Year 2
On New Years Day
Orange- 2 at-large non-playoff teams
Peach- 1/8
Sugar- 2/7
Cotton- 3/6
Fiesta- 4/5
Rose-2 at-large non-playoff teams

First Saturday after NYD at least 7 days from NYD
Semi 1 (Fiesta)- winner of Sugar vs. winner of Cotton
Semi 2 (Rose)- winner of Peach vs. winner of Fiesta

Second Saturday after NYD at least 7 days from NYD
Championship (Orange)

Notes:
1. Total scholarships need to move up from 85 to 100. 33 per year.
2. Have to work out TV with NFL. Sticking point.
3. P5 teams much play conference championship game to get auto-bid. Conference championship game winner is conference champ.
 
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Too much human element. 6 team playoff with 5 teams EARNING their way in with victory in Conference Championship game. Room for one wild card.
 
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CAJUNEER said:
AP is less biased and appears so. There is a huge B-10 bias. Do you think is the B-10 and the SEC played head-to-head the B-10 would come out on top?
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The AP isn't less biased. The AP has 4 Big Ten teams in the Top 10 (before the weekend), same as the committee. The only difference is that the committee has Penn St #7, and the AP has them #8. Plus, the AP has Iowa and Nebraska at #22 and 23, whereas the committee doesn't have either ranked. The committee has Tennessee at #22, but the AP doesn't have them ranked. Sounds like the AP has more Big Ten bias than the committee to me.

As to whether I think the Big Ten would beat the SEC, it doesn't matter. The SEC teams simply don't have good enough records to be ranked as high. Besides Alabama, Florida has the best record at 8-3 (again before this weekend). There simply aren't any teams with good enough records to get ranked ahead of the Big Ten.
 
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I would disagree with the use of any poll system as less biased. The AP is NOT less biased. Under the BCS formula in 2004, Cal (who only lost to USC) was ahead of Texas (who only lost to Oklahoma) in the next to last poll of the season. Mack Brown and the Texas PR machine lobbied Texas AP voters and got Cal dropped to where Texas could finish in the top 4 and get an At large BCS bowl guarantee. They went to the 2005 Rose Bowl and beat Michigan. USC destroyed oklahoma in the BCS title game.
 
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topdecktiger said:
The AP isn't less biased. The AP has 4 Big Ten teams in the Top 10 (before the weekend), same as the committee. The only difference is that the committee has Penn St #7, and the AP has them #8. Plus, the AP has Iowa and Nebraska at #22 and 23, whereas the committee doesn't have either ranked. The committee has Tennessee at #22, but the AP doesn't have them ranked. Sounds like the AP has more Big Ten bias than the committee to me.

As to whether I think the Big Ten would beat the SEC, it doesn't matter. The SEC teams simply don't have good enough records to be ranked as high. Besides Alabama, Florida has the best record at 8-3 (again before this weekend). There simply aren't any teams with good enough records to get ranked ahead of the Big Ten.
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Look at the history of the AP. I'm not talking about one season. The large number of voters tend to eliminate bias.
 
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CAJUNEER said:
Look at the history of the AP. I'm not talking about one season. The large number of voters tend to eliminate bias.
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I am talking about one season, and that one season completely contradicts your point.

The history of the AP is every bit as bad as the committee. That why we have gone from just polls, to Bowl Coalition, to Bowl Alliance, to BCS, to CFP.

The large number of voters makes the bias worse. Especially since the people voting didn't even watch half the games.
 
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topdecktiger said:
I am talking about one season, and that one season completely contradicts your point.

The history of the AP is every bit as bad as the committee. That why we have gone from just polls, to Bowl Coalition, to Bowl Alliance, to BCS, to CFP.

The large number of voters makes the bias worse. Especially since the people voting didn't even watch half the games.
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Your saying the smaller the sample size the less likely there is bias? You need to take a statistics course.
 
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The WVSSAC got it right:
Beating AAA = 12 points
Beating AA = 9 points
Beating A = 6 points

Then all the bonus points based on defeated opponents beating teams of their class or higher. Add it all up by number of games played, there's your rating!
 
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Your saying the smaller the sample size the less likely there is bias? You need to take a statistics course.
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The problem is, statistics don't take into account reality. The reality is, these AP voters don't even watch half the games (especially the Pac 12 games since most are in bed by then). That's not me saying that. That's been a criticism of the polls for decades. Also, since most of these sports writers are locals, they tend to vote for their local teams. (Yet another criticism that's been leveled for decades.) They also vote separately, rather than in a group, so they don't have to explain or justify their votes. At least with the committee, Barry Alvarez has to explain to Condoleezza Rice why he voted Team X #6 instead of #4. There simply isn't any evidence to support your claim that the AP poll is somehow better, and there is plenty of evidence to contradict it.
 
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topdecktiger said:
The problem is, statistics don't take into account reality. The reality is, these AP voters don't even watch half the games (especially the Pac 12 games since most are in bed by then). That's not me saying that. That's been a criticism of the polls for decades. Also, since most of these sports writers are locals, they tend to vote for their local teams. (Yet another criticism that's been leveled for decades.) They also vote separately, rather than in a group, so they don't have to explain or justify their votes. At least with the committee, Barry Alvarez has to explain to Condoleezza Rice why he voted Team X #6 instead of #4. There simply isn't any evidence to support your claim that the AP poll is somehow better, and there is plenty of evidence to contradict it.
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The problem is for one, they're not using enough voters to cancel out any bias. 128 D-1 schools and only 60+ writers and coaches vote. Why? They need all coaches to vote and balance that out with 128 writers, one from each collage town.

I've been saying this for years but there will always be a giant flaw in this system unless they follow what the high schools do and develop a point scale system to go along with the voters and computer polls. They don't have a problem with it, why is it not good enough for the college game?

Put a ceiling on how much credit to give for off and def scoring, give points for beating teams depending on where they're ranked and weight it properly. This subjective crap will continue to piss people off. This isn't arguing this is plain hatred for this subjective committee/poll stuff that is utter nonsense.
 
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CAJUNEER said:
Lol. That's all statistics take into account.
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No, they don't. Again, show me how the statistics account for the local beat writer in Columbus who never watch Pac 12 or Big 12 games. Show me how the statistics account for an anonymous writer filling out a ballot, vs. a committee getting together and debating their votes.

That fact that you haven't addressed one single issue I raised shows the weakness of your argument.
 
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No, they don't. Again, show me how the statistics account for the local beat writer in Columbus who never watch Pac 12 or Big 12 games.
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Let's assume your fallacious assumption is true. This one sportswriter is 1.5% of the vote. Other more diligent journalists will offset this one writer's lazy vote. How does a much smaller member committee many of whose members have vested interest in the outcome avoid bias?
 
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Let's assume your fallacious assumption is true. This one sportswriter is 1.5% of the vote. Other more diligent journalists will offset this one writer's lazy vote. How does a much smaller member committee many of whose members have vested interest in the outcome avoid bias?
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My argument isn't fallacious. There aren't more diligent journalists. That's the whole point. As I said, this has been a complaint about the polls for decades.

Well, here's one way the committee avoids bias. Committee members who have a vested interest have to leave the room when their team is discussed. For example, Dan Radakovich, a committee member, is Clemson's athletic director. He has to leave the room whenever Clemson is discussed. Not only that, he also has to leave the room when other teams are discussed that have an effect on Clemson. He also had to leave the room when Washington and Ohio St were discussed, because Clemson was going to play one of those two teams.

Of course, I will again point out this out. In the committee, each member has to debate and defend his opinion to the other members. With the AP poll, the writers just fill out their ballots alone, and email them in. They don't have to debate or justify their vote to anyone.
 
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After this year, I'm for an 8 team playoff. The 5 conference champions, 2 at large and the highest ranked G5 opponent

Rank teams according to final ranking. Conference Champs receive preference rankings

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Washington
4. Penn State
5. Oklahoma
6. Western Michigan
7. Ohio State
8. Michigan

Then have the Quarterfinals this weekend at Campus Sites of the higher seeds

Alabama vs. Michigan
Clemson vs. Ohio State
Washington vs. Western Michigan
Penn State vs. Oklahoma

Semi's will be Peach Bowl and Fiesta Bowl for the winners. Losers play regular scheduled bowl games against top teams who dont make the playoff. (USC, Auburn, Florida State, Wisconsin)
 
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