56 - 33 in 7 years

[zappaa]

Wait...

So actually WINNING isn't the task?

But Greg said he would win Championships. He said that himself. Really. Look it up.

So did he lie?

Why would we hire someone who is a demonstrated, proven liar?

Irrelevant.

"Once it's built, it will be built to last."

Direct quote.

I know you’re not that ignorant.

 

[Ascent]

The facts about Schiano:

Schiano at Rutgers:
68-67 overall
28-48 in Big East Conference
During the last 4 seasons he was hanging around Piscataway RU's Big East Conference record was 13-15
0-11 vs. West Virginia
The king of soft and easy OOC schedules.
Played only 8 BCS opponents some seasons. Typically, he (RU) scheduled one OOC opponent of medium difficulty and four cupcakes.
ACC raided the Big East Conference and took Miami, VT and BC.
Schiano never won a conference championship and never went to a BCS Bowl Game in 11 years (UConn did).
I read that of Schiano's OOC wins at RU 30 were against non-BCS teams and none of his OOC wins came against a team ranked in the Top 25.

Schiano at Tampa Bay:
Failure, fired.

 

[zappaa]

The facts about Schiano:

Schiano at Rutgers:
68-67 overall
28-48 in Big East Conference
During the last 4 seasons he was hanging around Piscataway RU's Big East Conference record was 13-15
0-11 vs. West Virginia
The king of soft and easy OOC schedules.
Played only 8 BCS opponents some seasons. Typically, he (RU) scheduled one OOC opponent of medium difficulty and four cupcakes.
ACC raided the Big East Conference and took Miami, VT and BC.
Schiano never won a conference championship and never went to a BCS Bowl Game in 11 years (UConn did).
I read that of Schiano's OOC wins at RU 30 were against non-BCS teams and none of his OOC wins came against a team ranked in the Top 25.

Schiano at Tampa Bay:
Failure, fired.

The facts about Schiano:

Schiano at Rutgers:
68-67 overall
28-48 in Big East Conference
During the last 4 seasons he was hanging around Piscataway RU's Big East Conference record was 13-15
0-11 vs. West Virginia
The king of soft and easy OOC schedules.
Played only 8 BCS opponents some seasons. Typically, he (RU) scheduled one OOC opponent of medium difficulty and four cupcakes.
ACC raided the Big East Conference and took Miami, VT and BC.
Schiano never won a conference championship and never went to a BCS Bowl Game in 11 years (UConn did).
I read that of Schiano's OOC wins at RU 30 were against non-BCS teams and none of his OOC wins came against a team ranked in the Top 25.

Schiano at Tampa Bay:
Failure, fired.

You aren’t even a Rutgers fan, you never attended games and don’t care.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

The facts about Schiano:

Schiano at Rutgers:
68-67 overall
28-48 in Big East Conference
During the last 4 seasons he was hanging around Piscataway RU's Big East Conference record was 13-15
0-11 vs. West Virginia
The king of soft and easy OOC schedules.
Played only 8 BCS opponents some seasons. Typically, he (RU) scheduled one OOC opponent of medium difficulty and four cupcakes.
ACC raided the Big East Conference and took Miami, VT and BC.
Schiano never won a conference championship and never went to a BCS Bowl Game in 11 years (UConn did).
I read that of Schiano's OOC wins at RU 30 were against non-BCS teams and none of his OOC wins came against a team ranked in the Top 25.

Schiano at Tampa Bay:
Failure, fired.

So who do you see as a better candidate? Be realistic about the candidates.

You know it's easy to tear down things, but it's difficult to rebuild. That seems to be the theme around here.

 

[vkj91]

Give it a rest... my god.

Some fans want some excitement and respect, they think he can bring it... enough already.

What’s wrong with my post. This is exactly the problem with the Greg is the only guy crowd. People want to post these numbers but refuse to dive down into the reality of their numbers. If people want to play that game and make believe competition doesn’t matter then we might as well hire Leipold

 

[zappaa]

So who do you see as a better candidate? Be realistic about the candidates.

You know it's easy to tear down things, but it's difficult to rebuild. That seems to be the theme around here.

He’s absolutely clueless, he has zero knowledge of what goes on inside a locker room Cubby

 

[Scarlet Blind_rivals]

0-7:vs WVU
0-4 vs Brian Kelly, Cincy

 

[Knight Shift]

Agreed. He won’t be the same. But he knows what to do. He’s been there, done that, and will bring all those experiences since Rutgers, good and bad, and help this turd once again.

What to do? Recruit, develop players, game plan, and coach games? This isn't 2001. Our facilities are in fine shape, except for the lack of a field house. Greg can certainly do all of those things, and so can others. That is why the coaching search and interviews of several candidates should continue. Greg should be at or near the top of the list.

 

[zappaa]

What’s wrong with my post. This is exactly the problem with the Greg is the only guy crowd. People want to post these numbers but refuse to dive down into the reality of their numbers. If people want to play that game and make believe competition doesn’t matter then we might as well hire Leipold

Dive my ***....I’d do cartwheels for a few other candidates.
I will NEVER not acknowledge GS turned this program around...I don’t care how, l loved it and being Nationaly relevant

 

[zappaa]

0-7:vs WVU
0-4 vs Brian Kelly, Cincy

Another fake fan

 

[RU4Real]

I know you’re not that ignorant.

No. I'm not.

Which is why I'm right.

All you folks who are saying "Greg will do this" and "Greg will do that" and "Greg will make us respectable again" are the ones who are being, if not downright ignorant, at least intellectually dishonest.

Because you don't *know* these things. They are unproven. It's entirely possible that today's recruits in NJ won't care about Greg Schiano any more than recruits in NJ cared about him in 2001.

It's additionally possible that potential ticket buyers won't care any more about him than they did in 2001.

So... what? Are you going to tell us that we should give him 5 years to bring the program back to respectability? You're going to fall back to the whole "this is a total rebuild" argument?

Because I'm not paying Greg Schiano to do that - he claimed that he would do it once and, by any rational metric, he failed to accomplish any of the things he promised.

11 years - no Big East championships. No National Championships. No major bowl games.

You, personally, are guilty of having minimized your expectations. You've said it multiple times over the last two weeks, variations on "I just want us to not suck anymore."

We're going to have to agree to disagree with that philosophy. I don't want to not suck. I want us to win. Because today, right now, in the Big 10 East, setting the bar at "not suck" equates to failure.

 

[vkj91]

So who do you see as a better candidate? Be realistic about the candidates.

You know it's easy to tear down things, but it's difficult to rebuild. That seems to be the theme around here.

I think Moorhead is a better candidate.
Depending on the time of day I think jones is a better candidate.
I think there are a number of non P5 guys who are better candidates.
I wouldn’t cry or be upset if we hired Schiano but I think it’s Time to move on.

 

[RUforlife]

Another area of concern for me with with Greg besides his 16-19 BE conference record in his last 5 years after the alleged breakout year of 2006 is that if he is hired there will be a significant portion, not a majority, but enough fans that will simply will not hold him accountable and consistently make excuses for him if he is not getting the job done. If he does a good job everybody will be on board because we all want to see Rutgers win but if he struggles or is mediocre he will have a built in cult following another coach would not have that will defend him at all costs.

I simply don't think he is the best choice at this time, but after Hobbs conducts a thorough and legitimate coaching search if he ends up being the best candidate he will have my support, but not my unwavering support if he is not getting the job done.

 

[vkj91]

Dive my ***....I’d do cartwheels for a few other candidates.
I will NEVER not acknowledge GS turned this program around...I don’t care how, l loved it and being Nationaly relevant

I just listed candidates. And can we stop with the nationally relevant talk. That happened exactly one time.

 

[zappaa]

No. I'm not.

Which is why I'm right.

All you folks who are saying "Greg will do this" and "Greg will do that" and "Greg will make us respectable again" are the ones who are being, if not downright ignorant, at least intellectually dishonest.

Because you don't *know* these things. They are unproven. It's entirely possible that today's recruits in NJ won't care about Greg Schiano any more than recruits in NJ cared about him in 2001.

It's additionally possible that potential ticket buyers won't care any more about him than they did in 2001.

So... what? Are you going to tell us that we should give him 5 years to bring the program back to respectability? You're going to fall back to the whole "this is a total rebuild" argument?

Because I'm not paying Greg Schiano to do that - he claimed that he would do it once and, by any rational metric, he failed to accomplish any of the things he promised.

11 years - no Big East championships. No National Championships. No major bowl games.

You, personally, are guilty of having minimized your expectations. You've said it multiple times over the last two weeks, variations on "I just want us to not suck anymore."

We're going to have to agree to disagree with that philosophy. I don't want to not suck. I want us to win. Because today, right now, in the Big 10 East, setting the bar at "not suck" equates to failure.

Can’t read this.
GS would take this dead program, give it a life and identity immediately.
And make us respectable and a non-joke in a short time

 

[vkj91]

Another area of concern for me with with Greg besides his 16-19 BE conference record in his last 5 years after the alleged breakout year of 2006 is that if he is hired there will be a significant portion, not a majority, but enough fans that will simply will not hold him accountable and consistently make excuses for him if he is not getting the job done. If he does a good job everybody will be on board because we all want to see Rutgers win but if he struggles or is mediocre he will have a built in cult following another coach would not have that will defend him at all costs.

I simply don't think he is the best choice at this time, but after Hobbs conducts a thorough and legitimate coaching search if he ends up being the best candidate he will have my support, but not my unwavering support if he is not getting the job done.

This. I was planning on making an “official how much time does the next coach get” thread. Because you know these guys will be calling for anyone not names schiano in year 3 while he gets 6

 

[Colbert17!]

The facts about Schiano:

Schiano at Rutgers:
68-67 overall
28-48 in Big East Conference
During the last 4 seasons he was hanging around Piscataway RU's Big East Conference record was 13-15
0-11 vs. West Virginia
The king of soft and easy OOC schedules.
Played only 8 BCS opponents some seasons. Typically, he (RU) scheduled one OOC opponent of medium difficulty and four cupcakes.
ACC raided the Big East Conference and took Miami, VT and BC.
Schiano never won a conference championship and never went to a BCS Bowl Game in 11 years (UConn did).
I read that of Schiano's OOC wins at RU 30 were against non-BCS teams and none of his OOC wins came against a team ranked in the Top 25.

Schiano at Tampa Bay:
Failure, fired.

You posted the exact same thing, word for word, in another thread earlier this week. I'll respond the same way I did last time. Who is your candidate of choice? I'll anticipate that you'll give me the same answer.
Oh wait!!! You never did answer.

 

[zappaa]

I just listed candidates. And can we stop with the nationally relevant talk. That happened exactly one time.

Bull, RU football was Nationally relevant...I traveled to all four corners of this Nation and our turnaround was recognized everywhere

 

[RU4Real]

Can’t read this.
GS would take this dead program, give it a life and identity immediately.
And make us respectable and a non-joke in a short time

"Can't read this"?

So now your contribution to a serious discussion is...

With all due respect, anyone with that attitude is, by definition, wrong.

 

[zappaa]

"Can't read this"?

So now your contribution to a serious discussion is...

With all due respect, anyone with that attitude is, by definition, wrong.

I’m not wrong, he turned this program around once, he can do it again.
So can other candidates.
Can’t read pure hate

 

[RU4Real]

I’m not wrong, he turned this program around once, he can do it again.
So can other candidates.
Can’t read pure hate

I don't have 11 years to wait.

In 11 years I'll be following the season on my yacht. Rutgers football will be a dim memory.

 

[MADHAT1]

Greg probably thought what he would build would last, talking about the foundation he set down to make RU FB into a winner .
What he didn't know is Rutgers wouldn't pay for the upkeep needed to make sure the foundation didn't develop cracks ,so it could continue winning .
Most builders expect their foundation to last if they care about the type of job they do.
When they finish , it's up to those who take control to make sure the foundation is maintained properly.
So blasting Schiano for his foundation not being up tp par now, might be an overreach based on disappointment it couldn't hold up to Rutgers hiring demolition experts instead of caretakers.

As for "Bringing Championship(s)"
Hate to see any HC that doesn't think he can do that and tells his school's fanbase : Don't expect greatness, I'm not that good ."
I wonder how much support he'd get from that school's fanbase if a HC made that statement after he was hired.

I've heard for years the complaint about Schiano promising a championship and not delivering.
I say get over that promise he couldn't keep because he tried his best and stop whining about him promising a championship..
But knocking him for not getting one is a valid complaint, it's just the whining about a promised championship that was a goal being set and put into words to excite the fanbase that irks me
because it doesn't take into account the enthusiasm Greg had when he first arrived to take over a program in dire need of saving and
a fanbase that had given up hope.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I think Moorhead is a better candidate.
Depending on the time of day I think jones is a better candidate.
I think there are a number of non P5 guys who are better candidates.
I wouldn’t cry or be upset if we hired Schiano but I think it’s Time to move on.

hes a better coach the day of the game, but everywhere else, Greg blows him away.

 

[RUforlife]

This. I was planning on making an “official how much time does the next coach get” thread. Because you know these guys will be calling for anyone not names schiano in year 3 while he gets 6

6 years at the minimum, I can write the posts right now defending him in years 4, 5, 6 and beyond if we struggle. We all know what they are going to say, same things we all heard before whenever Greg struggled the first time. As you say, any other coach would get three years, I don't know, concerning.

 

[zappaa]

I don't have 11 years to wait.

In 11 years I'll be following the season on my yacht. Rutgers football will be a dim memory.

No, you and your family will again enjoy RU football and have the gift of expectations far sooner than 11 years.

 

[e5fdny]

Because building the program, giving it a face and an identity is the task... do you know anything about that?

I do

 

[eyebugs]

How do you ask others to be patient when Rutgers has a history of screwing things up? Other than Schiano, in recent history, Rutgers doesn't value quality over saving a few pennies. Hobbs had a chance to hire a good coach from some more established and proven coaches back in 2015 when Rutgers' rep was still attractive. The leadership screwed it up as usual and you really expect the same decision-makers to get hit a home run this time? I love how people try to downplay Schiano's success, but don't offer a qualified replacement. Hafley could be the answer, but Hobbs blew that opportunity to take another risk in hiring an inexperienced head coach. People don't have the patience to sit through another "maybe" type of situation. This is about stabilizing the program before reaching for the stars.

Until you suit up, stop calling the Big East weak compared to the B1G East. The Big East compared favorably to other power conferences of the day. Outside of Ohio State, none of the other teams have been unbeatable since Rutgers joined the B1G. Sometimes the name on the front of the jersey consumes rational thinking. The Big East back then went out of the conference and regularly kick the *ss of some of the same teams you're hyping up.

Some of you don't understand where Rutgers is in the scheme of things for college football. Rock bottom is putting it kindly. Most qualified coaches worth their weight in gold won't consider Rutgers. The pool from which Rutgers has to choose is small, yet some of you keep believing all is well and Rutgers will be OK with another unknown driving the ship. Keep in mind, Rutgers isn't trying to spend the money it takes to hire a coach some of you are demanding.

Agree with most of what you say, however, a coach is out there who can turn this around. The key is identifying him and having the courage to bring him in with the right amount of university support. Patience is required because it is not a quick fix. That is obvious to everyone. I will disagree with the level of competition. PSU and OSU much stronger now than what was present in the old Big East.. Completely different landscape and in my opinion not even close.. The goal for now should be to be better than Maryland and IU...

 

[bac2therac]

During that span,What's the new years day bowl record ?

What was Rutgers bowl record without Schiano...yeah thought so

 

[bac2therac]

Yeah, let's just look at half his record.

What would Flood have done over 11 years? Or Ash? After all, only one win separates Ash's first 3 years from Schiano's first 3.

Stupid post. Probably stupid person.

All signs point to...

Ignore.

Off the deep end. This post makes zero sense

 

[shields]

Easy OOC, I used to hear that all the time when we played Navy. Then Navy goes to Ohio State and scared the hell out of them and was at goal line when i believe QB threw pick.

 

[hankee18]

0-11 against West Virginia, and he'd be playing 4 teams as good or better than they were every year.

Yeah but we had their asses right where we wanted in 2011 til some knucklehead decided it would be a good idea to plow the field halftime!

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Agree with most of what you say, however, a coach is out there who can turn this around. The key is identifying him and having the courage to bring him in with the right amount of university support. Patience is required because it is not a quick fix. That is obvious to everyone. I will disagree with the level of competition. PSU and OSU much stronger now than what was present in the old Big East.. Completely different landscape and in my opinion not even close.. The goal for now should be to be better than Maryland and IU...

OSU is stronger, but PSU is still not on that level. I find MSU to be more consistent than PSU as one of the better teams in the B1G East. Since Rutgers joined the B1G, half the games against PSU have been competitive and Rutgers wasn't good for most of those games.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

OSU is stronger, but PSU is still not on that level. I find MSU to be more consistent than PSU as one of the better teams in the B1G East. Since Rutgers joined the B1G, half the games against PSU have been competitive and Rutgers wasn't good for most of those games.

pSU and MSU are beatable as long as you put a competent team out there.

 

[Knight Shift]

No one is popping up. We know the names and no one is excited. Time to bring one of our own back to jersey and assemble jersey roots coaches and start repping the state U again with respect and pride being felt by the fans .

Overgeneralize much? What does the Cult of Greg have a script now? For goodness sake, can we let the process play out? If y'all are so confident in Greg's abilities, he will get the job? Remember the last two times Rutgers rushed the process to hire a new head coach? Be patient. And please stop talking for the entire fanbase. The poll that was taken said over 60% want a full search done.

 

[T2Kplus10]

No. I'm not.

Which is why I'm right.

All you folks who are saying "Greg will do this" and "Greg will do that" and "Greg will make us respectable again" are the ones who are being, if not downright ignorant, at least intellectually dishonest.

Because you don't *know* these things. They are unproven. It's entirely possible that today's recruits in NJ won't care about Greg Schiano any more than recruits in NJ cared about him in 2001.

It's additionally possible that potential ticket buyers won't care any more about him than they did in 2001.

So... what? Are you going to tell us that we should give him 5 years to bring the program back to respectability? You're going to fall back to the whole "this is a total rebuild" argument?

Because I'm not paying Greg Schiano to do that - he claimed that he would do it once and, by any rational metric, he failed to accomplish any of the things he promised.

11 years - no Big East championships. No National Championships. No major bowl games.

You, personally, are guilty of having minimized your expectations. You've said it multiple times over the last two weeks, variations on "I just want us to not suck anymore."

We're going to have to agree to disagree with that philosophy. I don't want to not suck. I want us to win. Because today, right now, in the Big 10 East, setting the bar at "not suck" equates to failure.

You know our choices are essentially:
1. Schiano
2. Another retread but without RU/NJ experience
3. Shot in the dark (like Ash)

With those choices, I will take #1.

 

[Knight Shift]

Sorry but hiring GS would be a mistake.

How the hell can you say this? Are you Nostradamus? Can you predict the future? Your statement is equally ludicrous with those of the cult of Greg that nobody else can come into RU and turn it around?

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

I think Moorhead is a better candidate.
Depending on the time of day I think jones is a better candidate.
I think there are a number of non P5 guys who are better candidates.
I wouldn’t cry or be upset if we hired Schiano but I think it’s Time to move on.

I'm not married to Schiano, but when you factor in the BS, such as Rutgers administration, political hacks, local recruiting, HS coaches with egos, and lack of money to invest in a real staff, Schiano may offer the most stable option. Moorehead and Jones may have more upside than Schiano, but the unstable situation at Rutgers may doom them to failure. I'm starting to realize you can't be a good coach and a nice guy to coach at Rutgers. You have to be a bit of an *ss to succeed here because you'll face plenty of a-holes who will work hard to see you fall.

What I want right now is to stop falling and find the bottom to this pit

 

[RU4Real]

Off the deep end. This post makes zero sense

Oh, yay. The Hervé Villechaize of intellectual prowess has weighed in with another kitty cat morsel from the depths of his reptilian brain.

 

[Knight Shift]

16-19 in his last 5 years in BE conference play. That is the ONLY relevant record. 16-19 after the alleged breakout year of 2006. If he was only 16-19 in his last five years in a weak BE what evidence is there that he will do much better than Ash in the most powerful division in all of college football? His defenses struggled against Indiana at OSU and we are led to believe they will do better at Rutgers, please stop.

I'd take 16-19 in 5 years of B1G play.

Although we have 9 B1G games per year.
Assuming we lose every year to tOSU, Michigan and Penn State, that would be 0-15.
Assuming we split with the rest (Indiana, Maryland, Michigan State, and 3 West Teams), that's 15-15
That would be 15-30.

Indiana is 11-30 over the last 5 years in the B1G.
Pat Fitzgerald was 18-22 in his first 5 years.

What exactly are people expecting of any coach, considering our schedule? 30-15 in the B1G?

 

[shields]

Love the comment did not play in any major bowls. 2006 team deserved to play in big bowl game. Big East had lousy bowl matchups and we ended up in Texas bowl.