Once again, Duke’s academic standards are no higher than the NCAA minimums. Apples and oranges.
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I badly want Braun to succeed. He is a great guy and the players love him. Best way? Get him a good QB every year
Agree 100% and it's why I think Jackson's next big lift (now that stadium completion is in its final months) is to focus on getting donors on board with building the annual NIL base to strengthen Braun's hand at recruiting.
If teams are going to pay $20M for NIL under the “new rules” which stipulate it has to be reasonable for services provided they likely will need to get most of it via the bags
of cash at the McDonald’s drive thru.
NU isn’t competing for the same recruits as the blue bloods. Never have with or without NIL. It’s a given that Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, PSU, USC will always have more talent. Personally, I don’t like it, but will deal with a L every time we play. What I want is to be able to win over 50% with the other 13 conference teams and beat every Non-Conference team which we should always have a talent advantage over. That’s 7 or 8 wins a year.
$15M a year is enough for 85 players when it’s likely half have minimal NIL. I don’t think the mid tier Big teams are throwing around way more cash than us. Win in your weight class.
You are completely wrong about this. Nearly every P4 is doing heavy NIL way beyond the allotted revenue share. Not just the blue bloods. Every school trying to compete. Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota. Every single one.
There are many easy, above the table ways these schools are doing it. As always, NU is several steps behind. Paying $15M a year means you’re at the very bottom, with Rutgers.
With a bowl bid this year we know there’s no way Braun is going anywhere. So if they really want to see how competitive his coaching and recruiting ceiling is, as well as Lujan, that requires an increased NIL $ commitment. It’s disappointing that our 2026 recruiting class has fallen off, but almost none of them are going to contribute next year - the portal class is more important than the HS class if we want a good opening year in New Ryan Field.
Buddy, Texas tech has a ******* $50 million football payroll. Underwood’s bigass deal ain’t coming out of House dollars. The idea that there is a cap was always delusion and cope, all you have to do is continue to follow NIL news, read the deals guys are getting, read the stories about payrolls, notice the announcements about retained coaches and increasing NIL resources, notices the coach carousel news about $15-25 million outside NIL pledges, etc. If you haven’t been following it closely, okay, we all get to choose how to spend our time, but the House revenue share money is merely a starting point. It’s a starting point that helps NU undoubtedly, but much more is needed
As I understand it, @Purple Pile Driver is technically correct as NIL deals are subject to oversight by Deloitte to supposedly ensure that NIL payments reflect any actual services provided.
Do I expect it to work like that in practice? HELL no. Nobody's telling the blue bloods no on anything and I'm sure they already have strategies in place to get around the rules. As you pointed out, there are already huge NIL war chests associated with these schools and I don't see that money going away because there's no governing institution with the backbone to tell them no.
In theory, Purple Pile Driver is correct, but who know what will happen when Deloitte faces challenges on their rulings. There's lots of money in it for the lawyers to make a mess of things, as always.
Yet, Jacob Schmidt was doing it with duct tape and paper clips and we shut it down
Deloitte jisy tried to get all the schools to sign something that would actually give them anybody ability whatsoever to actually enforce anything and it ain’t happening. The clearinghouse will mean very very little and it’s already being ignored.
I wish the G5 schools would band together and challenge the "settlement" because it was essentially negotiated by the P4 schools without G5 input. The G5 schools are on the hook for a disproportionate share of the "damages" given that the overwhelming beneficiaries of the cash over the years were P4 schools.
Great, I wasn’t asking you, but since you jumped in, I will try and follow the logic. So the revenue sharing is distributed by the schools. When this was approved, there was also an established clearinghouse for NIL deals. However, that clearinghouse is useless since it’s not enforceable and rich guys at our peer B1G schools will just ignore that and pay what it takes? NU is way behind the eight ball because we don’t have the same NIL warchest? How am I doing Buddy?
He should be back. But the 2027 recruiting class will be a critical test. He needs to deliver a middle of the pack B1G class and top 35 class. He now will be recruiting off a bowl season and a new state of the art stadium. And he has money.
NU wants to be middle of the pack in the B1G when it comes to total funds available for compensation. That includes the large majority of the 20.5 million revenue share and then NIL. Jackson is not stupid. He knows NU needs to compete in that space in order to have success.
And for those that say most of the B1G is spending as much in NIL as they are in revenue sharing right now, you are completely wrong. Some do but many more don’t.
Without trying to sound rude or condescending, this is common knowledge. Quite literally spoken of openly in public, on record, by coaches and administrators at other schools. It is not a secret, shadowy thing. On the On3 recruiting ranking page they even estimate the average NIL per recruit next to the team name and ranking. You will likely not be shocked to hear that NU is last in the conference BY A MILE.
Well that’s actually aligned with all schools. Everyone shut down their collectives bc it’s not needed anymore. The schools are negotiating directly with donors and students on the students behalf. They no longer need the collective as the middle man.
Collectives went away but additional NIL payments as enticements (that have nothing to do with actual Name, Image, and Likeness btw) remained and in fact continued to grow.
What standing would they even have? They’re not a party to this at all. The alternative is probably the court saying schools are allowed to pay anything they want and restrictions are illegal.
If they're not a party to it, then why are they on the hook for such a sizable percentage of the "back pay" to be paid out over the next 10 years? The majority of the back pay will be paid by schools outside the P4, but their contribution to the back pay was negotiated by the P4.
You know what I stand corrected I forgot those were actually the same lawsuit with the settlements on those issues announced quite far apart. I would presume the biggest reason is the schools knew damn well if they tried to continue to oppose any revenue sharing they’d just get it imposed on them by the judge with far fewer rules.
Also my recollection is the P4s are paying a much a larger share for the back pay, but it’s always arguable if it’s fair
I may be on an island, but I don’t think we at some competitive disadvantage to MOST of the schools in the B1G. What is common knowledge to you is speculation to me. I have yet to see anyone show a recruit NU lost only for NIL money. Not a single one. We aren’t recruiting any prospects that have blue blood offers. Also, anything close to credible information that compares our NIL output to Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue or any other school. What we know as a fact ( not speculation or estimates) is the Revenue Share for the B1G is the highest in the country. We have a head start over every school outside of the B1G.
I asked you because you have been posting for only a little over one week and you come off like you have access to inside information. You have already have the two biggest hot takes we’ve had all season with 1) Fleck is looking to move on from Minnesota and watch for NU to potentially get involved. This is after you stated he would like Wisconsin or Iowa as an option and 2) Fors was going to visit Illinois While committed to NU. I did not see anyone show evidence to support either, so I figured you have credible connections and were basing your take on NU being ahead of only Rutgers based on actual insider knowledge, not some estimate by an anonymous source. BTW, there are people here that we know have connections that vehemently debunk the accuracy of the On3 NIL estimates.
Of course opposition Coaches will ***** about the competition buying a team. It’s never them even though they lost to the same program for many years prior to NIL and the portal. NU fans should expect much more on the recruiting front.
If rev share for the big ten is higher than non P2 schools and additional NIL payments are not a substantial part of the compensation given to players as part of player acquisition, then why is NU being out recruited by so many non-P2 programs and even some G5 schools?
I spend way too much time following college sports, especially in the big ten. I listen to a handful of national CFB podcasts each week while working out, read all the news on the sport, etc. This may be speculation to you, but what is openly and casually discussed literally daily by all these pundits, administrators, coaches, etc. is not speculation to me. If you choose to subscribe to your version of reality I won’t begrudge you. But I assure you, the truth is that every big ten school is doing full rev share (mostly split 75/25ish with football/basketball) and essentially every school is putting more into NIL than ever before and essentially ignoring the clearing house because it has no enforcement teeth.
I guess we agree the recruiting has been lackluster but disagree in the cause. I believe we have sufficient resources to recruit middle of the pack in the B1G, better than most non P2 teams and pretty much every G5 team. BTW, what G5 team outspends a P2 team. I don’t expect NU to ever be competitive in recruiting rankings with the blue bloods. I agree that NIL is impactful for most kids, but every kid doesn’t make decisions only on the compensation package.
I have been around a longtime myself. This isn’t 2015 anymore and NU has more advantages in securing talent than they have ever had. This board can be conditioned for making and accepting excuses why we can’t do better in recruiting. Unless you expect NU to be top 25 each year, I don’t believe money is the cause. Admissions was legitimate and still is to some degree, but even that has been loosened. We have to choose wisely how to allocate our revenue share, not some foolish entry level base salary for Freshman. The GM has to be good and the talent evaluation even better.
I have been around a longtime myself. This isn’t 2015 anymore and NU has more advantages in securing talent than they have ever had. This board can be conditioned for making and accepting excuses why we can’t do better in recruiting. Unless you expect NU to be top 25 each year, I don’t believe money is the cause. Admissions was legitimate and still is to some degree, but even that has been loosened. We have to choose wisely how to allocate our revenue share, not some foolish entry level base salary for Freshman. The GM has to be good and the talent evaluation even better.
What evidence do you have that admissions has “loosened?” I use the quotes because I’m wondering if it is a relative or absolute lowering of cutoffs. As we all know the admission stats for NU are way higher than in the 90s. So even if there’s been no change in athlete GPA and test score cutoff it represents a widening gap with the student body, without actually increasing the recruiting pool.
Now I do think there was no choice in the portal era but to loosen the transfer standards in order to get them through admissions quickly enough. But for HS recruits do we know if there’s been meaningful loosening.
Good point. My point of reference was Transfer recruiting when it was notable that we took transfers that had multiple years of eligibility left, something that we rarely did prior to last year. There was the Komo debacle where he committed and was initially told he wasn’t admitted. Fitz seemed to push that one through. So, you are right, I am not positive that HS admissions have moved off where they were 5 years ago. However, there has been a lot of chatter that Admissions is working with Athletics and Jackson much more cohesively than in the past. True or not, can’t be sure.
No disagreement. I have realistic expectations for recruiting (middle of the pack compared to big ten peers). Right now I’m watching conference peers take kids we have become accustomed to getting and notably, CAN get past admissions. I’m seeing most of our commits only have G5 offers. If we aren’t going to ditch this staff and hire a real staff of qualified coaches, then we HAVE to level the playing field with our NIL.
This is just a bunch of stuff you made up. We’re way at the bottom of the conference in both revenue sharing and NIL (we are shortchanging both football and basketball revenue sharing to dump extra money on non-revenue sports and are even transferring a bit to the school general fund) and we withdrew from the field in NIL entirely. Yes, we did critically loosen TRANSFER ADMISSIONS policies, but only in as much as the office is willing to bother PROCESSING admissions during the portal window and permitting non grad transfer. They used to not even be willing to do that. They didn’t loosen admissions standards at all.
The reality is we are going to need a more significant investment in NIL if we want to build rosters that are better than bottom of the barrel, scraping and hoping for mediocrity/respectability on an annual basis. All our facilities and such are worth not a ton.
What are you talking about? Schools are allowed to distribute up to $20.5M of their revenue with athletes. NU fully does this, as do most D1 schools. You can probably find Lou’s article on this when the settlement got approved. This is in essence a salary cap on what schools can directly pay to athletes. None of us know the exact amount that is distributed by sport, but the article estimated $15M to football with the next highest share to Men’s basketball. No idea where you get the impression we disproportionally distribute revenue share to non-revenue programs.
How are we at the bottom of the conference in revenue sharing like you state when we max it out? What NU does with any other revenue share is irrelevant to the discussion on player salaries because the maximum is distributed.
I assume you understand there is a difference between Revenue share distribution and NIL. Are we at the bottom of the conference for NIL? Don’t know, but you don’t know either. I have asked multiple times what is our NIL outlay to players on our football team earn compared to Rutgers, Wisconsin, Illinois etc. Fact is none of us can prove this point either way! No one is arguing more NIL wouldn’t be beneficial, but this we are going to be bottom of the barrel due to NIL is an alibi for subpar recruiting at best and fear mongering at its worst.
We are near the bottom of the conference in terms of revenue share distributed to both football and revenue sports. Other schools aren’t distributing nearly as much to other sports.
Again, you keep asking questions like “I don’t know how you could claim to know THAT” when anybody who is paying attention is aware of these things. People connected to the department are aware of close estimates of revenue sharing figures, which are disappointing. Additional NIL also highly inadequate.
recruiting without NIL isn’t a thing. This is semi pro or pro sports now. Money talks, whatever other ******** used to count for recruits either walks or is only an additional factor. That’s simply it. We will perennially struggle to bring a competitive amount of production and talent to Northwestern without financial resources that are commensurate with our position in a power 2 conference, and we currently don’t have them.
NU dissolved its NIL Collective. Other P4 schools continue to have NIL Collectives in place to supplement their revenue sharing within guidelines approved by the gov't
100%. MN, for example, which is trying its best to have more resources but just doesn’t have the fan base for it and struggles, still has their collective and you can still donate in all the same ways. I don’t know if the collective is still pays players exactly the same way or is more a facilitating entity, but they still raise millions, so they’ve gotta be paying somebody.
I said it the second we immediately disbanded our collective that we were being institutionally clueless, out of touch, and behind the eight ball again. Our school writ large remains frequently the dumbest place for supposedly smart people around
This is a good example of what @AdamOnFirst and I were talking about. Note the public reporting comes with a declaration of their commitment of a TON of NIL money ON TOP OF the revenue sharing. This is not unique to BYU, basically everyone is doing this. Bielema said something very similar at a press conference recently, praising his boss for securing big additional resources for him since he has to go replace a lot of graduating players at expensive positions. It’s just the norm now, regardless of what the “rules” are.
I'm a realist. We will continue to be a middle of the pack team, at best. Our coach should be fined every time he says "we're here to win championships." NU doesn't have the stomach, will, or desire to do the things that it takes to win at championship level. I accept this and, in many ways, respect it. A $75 million NIL war chest is not congruent with the tenets of NU. If we can average 7 wins, we are bumping our ceiling.
I’ve heard that mid big ten teams are budgeting for minimum $5M in NIL on top of the rev share. I’m sure Ohio State will go way over that and into LSU territory but Iowa and Illinois won’t.
And how do you get a good to great QB? Have an offensive system that let's him air it out, that will coax him here. Post Thorson, most of what we have had were mediocre.
You either adapt in nature or you are toast. The world of CFB has changed for good, which means the bottom line is the $$$$$ anymore. You are not going to get 4 or 5 star recruits in here with nice, shiny, new facilities, but with a program that will get the kids to the promised land. I applaud the university for trying to keep it's academic integrity in terms of sports, but you are not going to see many winning seasons if you want to keep the higher academic standards, while other programs have lowered their's. The football program isn't improving at all, and has slid to mediocrity. So much for spending a ton on the new practice facility and stadium. A ridiculous price to pay for Ryan to have his name on things. Kids don't care about those things, they want to make the big bucks!!! I don't see the current state of the football program as being able to bring in top talent. Shoot, we have had a bunch of 4 stars transfer not too long ago. A fundamental change in the administration's thinking is in order. An innovative HC/OC would help as well. The current track of the program isn't a good one.