5-4 (1-1)

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Looking at the remainder of the non-conference, if we can beat SHU tomorrow night it’s likely we’d be on a 4-game winning streak and 9-4 (1-1) heading into the all B1G schedule for the remainder of the season.

If we can go .500 to end the regular season at 18-13 (10-10) I think we’re at least a bubble team. Win a B1G tourney game to finish at 19-14 I think that’s enough with quality of the B1G to get us dancing.

Lots to ask when you see the results of games vs. Laf and @Umass, but definitely not impossible when we can beat #1 Purdue.

 

[Salvi's Headband]

Don't think we get in with 18 but hopefully we at least playing meaningful hoops in February

 

[kt124]

i want to at least be an NIT lock and an NCAA bubble team. we can help ourselves a lot in conference play - we go up against maryland, penn state, and nebraska twice each - all winnable games.

 

[ScarletLongIsland_rivals]

Given the wild swings in this team’s play, it’s so hard to determine what are “winnable” games. Which RU team is showing up on which day? Should be interesting to see how this season pans out at the very least

 

[jerzeyguy]

Getting into the Tourney is hard. We really messed up with the Lafayette (esp) and UMass games

 

[MLBash93]

I think our record in big ten play will outweigh the losses to UMass and Lafayette.

If we end the season 19-14 (10-10) or whatever and we are like 8th in the conference we will get in a

 

[CranfordKnight]

Not every 10-10 conference record is equal. We need to win the games we should and hopefully a couple we shouldn't to offset the early season duds.

 

[rubjk]

Given the wild swings in this team’s play, it’s so hard to determine what are “winnable” games. Which RU team is showing up on which day? Should be interesting to see how this season pans out at the very least

Do you remember the same wild swing last year? We had them.

 

[Degaz-RU]

I think our record in big ten play will outweigh the losses to UMass and Lafayette.

If we end the season 19-14 (10-10) or whatever and we are like 8th in the conference we will get in a

Not a ton of tourney teams with a quad 4 loss at home. Not saying it can’t be done tho.

 

[The RUT]

Finish in the top 8 in the B1G and you’re in.

Don’t need to over complicate things, just be top 8.

 

[Knights 1212]

If we win tomorrow as well as the other 3 OOC games we would have a 5 game winning streak, not four but we MUST take one game at a time and not take anyone as an automatic W. GO RU.

 

[Vassar69]

Finish in the top 8 in the B1G and you’re in.

Don’t need to over complicate things, just be top 8.

This is probably not true this year. The big ten likely won’t get 8 teams in. And especially not a team with a quad 4 home loss

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If we lose by 30 to SHU because we are 2-14 from 3 and SHU is 9-19 can we please not have threads where we aren’t going to win more than 3 B1G games!

 

[The RUT]

This is probably not true this year. The big ten likely won’t get 8 teams in. And especially not a team with a quad 4 home loss

Power 5 conference with large alumni base.

This is how it works, more eyeballs on the TV. MINIMUM 7 are in and 8 is bubble team.

Rutgers with a win over the #1 team as a bubble team and they’re in IMO.

 

[CranfordKnight]

This is probably not true this year. The big ten likely won’t get 8 teams in. And especially not a team with a quad 4 home loss

The quad system is 4 years old, tiny sample size to make declarative statements about who gets in based on one loss.. You play the entire season and see what other wins counterbalance the bad loss.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

That Lafayette loss, man. I just can’t get it out of my head that that loss will be too damaging to the resume to overcome. And don’t look now but we are also 0-3 on the road with Seton Hall favored to make us 0-4. And we know how much our road performance was being held against us two years ago. I want to think there’s a path to the NCAAs if we play to our potential but…

I guess the road back starts tomorrow. Can’t underestimate the importance of this game now.

 

[hinson32]

If we lose by 30 to SHU because we are 2-14 from 3 and SHU is 9-19 can we please not have threads where we aren’t going to win more than 3 B1G games!

Haha, that is a 100% lock.

 

[bac2therac]

Haha, that is a 100% lock.

But i think it will rightly so pipe down ncaa talk for a week weeks

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

But i think it will rightly so pipe down ncaa talk for a week weeks

"Rightly so"? Really? It's not going to pipe me down. Why should it? Losing to Seton Hall doesn't end our hopes for an NCAA bit. We're 1-1 in the B10 and have the rest of the league season to play out. And in case you didn't notice, we're capable of beating most of the teams in the league. Stop being so freakin negative.

 

[bac2therac]

losing to SHU by 30 as was said in the post would mean RU just lost 2 of its 3 games by 30 and 35 sandwiched around a 2 point home win over #1 Purdue, if you think thats a ringing endorsement that a 4-5 team will become more consistent, I dont know how to help you.

Now I agree, RU does not have to beat SHU to make the tourney but a total beatdown isnt a good sign at all. Tomorrow is about showing up, thats all I want to see, them to compete with energy just like they did vs Purdue

 

[fluoxetine]

And we know how much our road performance was being held against us two years ago.

No we don't. Not by the selection committee anyway. By analysts and message board posters? Sure.

I'm not saying this quad stuff and road records and the other silly things like that don't matter at all, but bottom line we just need to win X games for the most part. Losing to Lafayette means we need to win one more game we wouldn't have otherwise.

 

[fluoxetine]

losing to SHU by 30 as was said in the post would mean RU just lost 2 of its 3 games by 30 and 35 sandwiched around a 2 point home win over #1 Purdue, if you think thats a ringing endorsement that a 4-5 team will become more consistent, I dont know how to help you.

Now I agree, RU does not have to beat SHU to make the tourney but a total beatdown isnt a good sign at all. Tomorrow is about showing up, thats all I want to see, them to compete with energy just like they did vs Purdue

It depends how you lose by 30. The Illinois game was a pathetic effort. If we come out and go 0/15 from 3 and they go 10/18 while playing hard/decently in other aspects of the game that's a very different thing.

But I think FIGs point is about the bipolarity of the board more than anything.

 

[Vassar69]

Power 5 conference with large alumni base.

This is how it works, more eyeballs on the TV. MINIMUM 7 are in and 8 is bubble team.

Rutgers with a win over the #1 team as a bubble team and they’re in IMO.

If this is how it works then why has Rutgers made one tourney in decades?

 

[Vassar69]

The quad system is 4 years old, tiny sample size to make declarative statements about who gets in based on one loss.. You play the entire season and see what other wins counterbalance the bad loss.

Bad losses are bad losses. Doesn’t matter if you put them in a quad or do it the old fashioned way. A marginal resume is destroyed by terrible losses, and a home win over #1 won’t offset all the other stinkers.

 

[fluoxetine]

Bad losses are bad losses. Doesn’t matter if you put them in a quad or do it the old fashioned way. A marginal resume is destroyed by terrible losses, and a home win over #1 won’t offset all the other stinkers.

This may very well be correct from a tournament selection standpoint but it is the wrong way to look at it.

If I list our schedule and tell you we went, say, 19-12 against it it should make exactly zero difference which 19 games we won.

 

[Vassar69]

This may very well be correct from a tournament selection standpoint but it is the wrong way to look at it.

If I list our schedule and tell you we went, say, 19-12 against it it should make exactly zero difference which 19 games we won.

That isn’t even close to being correct.

 

[fluoxetine]

That isn’t even close to being correct.

No, it's exactly correct.

Find me one well regarded mathematical ranking system that would rank a team with the same record against the same schedule differently based on which specific games it won.

After failing at that, ask yourself why.

 

[Vassar69]

No, it's exactly correct.

Find me one well regarded mathematical ranking system that would rank a team with the same record against the same schedule differently based on which specific games it won.

After failing at that, ask yourself why.

So if you win 10 conference games against the bottom half of the conference, that’s better than winning 10 conference games against the top half of the conference?

How about home vs away? You do realize home vs neutral vs away games are all viewed differently (both by the quad system and by the legacy approach where a committee did it all subjectively).

And they’re not the same schedule anyway. The Big Ten doesn’t play balanced schedules. SOS differs between teams even within the conference season.

Have you only ever paid attention to the NCAA tourney selection during the one year Rutgers was relevant?

 

[fluoxetine]

So if you win 10 conference games against the bottom half of the conference, that’s better than winning 10 conference games against the top half of the conference?

Winning 10 against the bottom half and losing 10 against the top half

IS EQUIVALENT TO

Winning 10 against the top half and losing 10 against the bottom half

DUCY?

How about home vs away? You do realize home vs neutral vs away games are all viewed differently (both by the quad system and by the legacy approach where a committee did it all subjectively).

See above.

Winning a home game and losing a road game

IS EQUIVALENT TO

Winning a road game and losing a home game

DUCY?

*Note I said you may very well be correct with regards to the committee. The problem is the committee is doing it wrong.

And they’re not the same schedule anyway. The Big Ten doesn’t play balanced schedules. SOS differs between teams even within the conference season.

??

I'm talking about our schedule. It's a static schedule. I'm not talking about comparing the records of different teams with different schedules. No idea how this is relevant to my post at all.

Have you only ever paid attention to the NCAA tourney selection during the one year Rutgers was relevant?

See above. Also read my posts and understand them before replying.

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Let's try an example away from basketball..

Rory McIlroy plays a golf course. This golf course has a very easy front nine and a very difficult back nine. On Thursday he shoots -5 on the front and +1 on the back for a score of -4. On Friday he shoots even on the front and -4 on the back for a score of -4. Is one of these rounds better than the other?

 

[Vassar69]

Winning 10 against the bottom half and losing 10 against the top half

IS EQUIVALENT TO

Winning 10 against the top half and losing 10 against the bottom half

DUCY?


See above.

Winning a home game and losing a road game

IS EQUIVALENT TO

Winning a road game and losing a home game

DUCY?

*Note I said you may very well be correct with regards to the committee. The problem is the committee is doing it wrong.


??

I'm talking about our schedule. It's a static schedule. I'm not talking about comparing the records of different teams with different schedules. No idea how this is relevant to my post at all.


See above. Also read my posts and understand them before replying.

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Let's try an example away from basketball..

Rory McIlroy plays a golf course. This golf course has a very easy front nine and a very difficult back nine. On Thursday he shoots -5 on the front and +1 on the back for a score of -4. On Friday he shoots even on the front and -4 on the back for a score of -4. Is one of these rounds better than the other?

But the point is, it DOES matter. It doesn’t matter if it *shouldn’t* but it DOES.

 

[fluoxetine]

But the point is, it DOES matter. It doesn’t matter if it *shouldn’t* but it DOES.

Fine. To be clear this is what I meant by my original post:

This may very well be correct from a tournament selection standpoint but it is the wrong way to look at it.

If I list our schedule and tell you we went, say, 19-12 against it it should make exactly zero difference which 19 games we won.

but I see how this can be interpreted as saying you are wrong. But that's not what I was saying. I agree it can matter, though how much is up for debate.

 

[CranfordKnight]

But the point is, it DOES matter. It doesn’t matter if it *shouldn’t* but it DOES.

The problem is that you speak in declaratives. The loss to Lafayette is definitely a knock on our resume, but it doesn't definitely keep us out of the tournament, as you seem to be implying. If we go 10-10 in conference, have a top 30 BPI and a winning record was Q1 and Q2 teams, we will be in. We may even get in with a lower BPI and a less than .500 Q1/Q2 record. Because there are multiple factors considered and our resume is compared to 20 or so other teams with blips on their records. You arguing about one loss with so much left to play just makes you look like a troll.

 

[The RUT]

If this is how it works then why has Rutgers made one tourney in decades?

Because we’ve been a doormat that hasn’t been in the top 8 in decades?

 

[Westcoast]

Power 5 conference with large alumni base.

This is how it works, more eyeballs on the TV. MINIMUM 7 are in and 8 is bubble team.

Rutgers with a win over the #1 team as a bubble team and they’re in IM

I do not recall how the ratings work... Is it at the time of the game or the rating at the end of the regular season? Purdue wont be #1 at the end of the season. So it will be a good win but they'll probably be around #10-#15.

 

[bitnez]

Last season Virginia lost to San Francisco, and Utah State was blown out by South Dakota State. Both made the tournament. We’ve made it really hard on ourselves, but we’re not dead yet. If we’re at 18-19 wins with a few over ranked opponents we’ll have a good shot at it.

 

[bitnez]

But I do think SHU game is big for 2 reasons, assuming of course we get the following 3. First, if we’re 9-4, on a 5 game win streak with 2 wins over ranked opponents, the college basketball world will look at us as an NCAA team that simply struggled early and figured it out. We will have changed the narrative. Second, I think our players would be all in on what Pike is doing as we head into the heart of the B1G season.

A loss to SHU isn’t deadly but a win would absolutely give us life.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Just win the B1G or B1G tourney and we don’t have to worry about losing to SHU or bad November losses

 

[SBP]

This is probably not true this year. The big ten likely won’t get 8 teams in. And especially not a team with a quad 4 home loss

An early season q4 loss won’t mean **** if it’s a strong finish and 8th in league. Many teams will have “bad” loses this season

 

[bac2therac]

BPI is not even considered

Also hiw you finish isnt considered, its body of work. Ooc performance matters

 

[The RUT]

I do not recall how the ratings work... Is it at the time of the game or the rating at the end of the regular season? Purdue wont be #1 at the end of the season. So it will be a good win but they'll probably be around #10-#15.

I’m honestly not 100% sure, but they’ll be top 10 by the end of the year for sure.