Colgate isn't getting in even if they'd gone undefeated in the Patriot and lost in the conference tournament.
34 in NET!
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Colgate isn't getting in even if they'd gone undefeated in the Patriot and lost in the conference tournament.
When you look at some of the non-Big teams ahead in the standings there are some real head scratcher. Someone mentioned Colgate. But how is Loyola-Chicago 15 with losses to Indiana St and Richmond (lost to Hofstra)? Third loss was a double digit loss to Wisconsin.
both, its a guide...you can be 60 and get in over someone at 45 in the NET...an example will be Penn State, they have a great NET but Im going to gather they finish 500 or below and will not get a bid.
their lack of games is helping them, one loss and they will tumble, look what has happened in a similar situation with St Louis
Right. For seeding, wins against the field typically come into play too. We’re definitely rooting for the Terps today.
Maryland has a relatively easy schedule. Its doable for them to get some wins and make the tourney, there is an outside chance if they get on a run they could get into top 30 making the game at the RAC a Q1 opportunity
OK, now we know that part, what are Rutgers' chances they are seeded higher than Colgate? This will say a lot about the NET's true value and the importance of conference strength.
Colgate will not be seeded higher than 12 and a 13 is more likely, they have no chance as an at large
Drake and Loyola however are legit
Drake and Loyola however are legit
They are. But I’m not sure it’s necessarily true that they universally matter more than Q2 wins. It’s seemed to me (just on surface observation of the past few brackets) that the number of opponent you beat in the field tends to matter more. Hypothetically, if Cuse were to make the field with a NET of 50 and Duke misses the field with a net of 74, our seeding may be better served with the OOC win we have (which would be Q2) vs PSU’s Q1 win. I have no proof of this - it’s just seemed that the committee tends to be less impressed by wins (home or road) against teams that weren’t good enough to make the bracket.
That's a form of unconscious bias, and it clouds a person's ability to be fair when judging the rest of the field.
I’ll be surprised if Colgate makes the field. 4 of their wins are to the same terrible Holy Cross team. NET notwithstanding, Navy 15-2 is the best team in that league. We’re rooting for them to win out as one of those losses was at Maryland. The other was a close rivalry loss to Army (9-4 and also probably better than Colgate).
latest lundardi. We are the first 7 seed in his seeding, meaning the 25th best team. We would have to really be bad to screw up not getting in at this point.
I was thinking it’s more that once they put the pegs on the board for who is in the field and start shuffling the seeding it’s probably just human nature consider the pieces up on the board relative to each other.
have you seen Loyola play? I just don’t get how their NET is so good with the losses they have. I mean - Navy is 15-2 with a road win at Georgetown and one less loss. Their NET is in the 90s.
well it will come down their back to back games against Drake. Loyola lost to Wisconsin and Richmond..those are very good losses
I’m just not seeing it. Indiana State’s NET is in the 100s. Not a loss that should be on the resume of a top 15 NET.
no they shouldnt be most likely efficiency metrics are strong, if they sweep Drake, they are likely dancing
Someone pointed it out on another thread - I had not realized how weak of a relative schedule Michigan’s played so far. Credit them for not losing though of course and
they always seem to have our number though regardless.
Crazy to see us with the 26th best NET in the country, and that’s only good enough for 7th place in our own league.
We would need to play at the top of our game to win. Whereas we've won the past few games without being at the top of our game (even the 30 point win over MSU). The last couple games, we weren't near the peak in realistically achievable potential.
But if we put it all together, if nobody has a totally off night shooting, we play D and rebound at a level similar to our best games, and we limit dumb mistakes to just a few, then I see no reason we cannot win against anybody left on our schedule.
Transitive power doesn't apply, but still, MN beat Michigan and we beat MN. We only lost to Iowa by what, 2 points?
Doesn't mean it's easy or that I expect it. Just that it's realistically doable.
It's like the wrestling rankings.... were 24th in the country, and 11th in our conference. Minnesota is 13th in the country and 7th in the conference.
Wow, that’s really nuts. Sorry I don’t know this, but how many D1 wrestling schools are there in the country? I think there’s about 350 in hoops.
I believe there are 78, but the Big Ten is hands down the premier conference in the country.