Our defensive line seems to be solid and has more depth and talent than our linebacking corps. But we have more linebackers on the field than linemen. Would a four or five man front be more effective? We are talking the Big Ten right? Didn’t we switch to a 4-3 and 3-4 to combat the changes in offenses?
3-4, 4-3 vs 5-2
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It honestly doesn’t matter that much. We would still have basically the same personnel out there regardless. Alabama, LSU and Wisconsin are dominant with a 3-4. Clemson, Ohio State and Michigan do it with a 4-3. TCU does it with a 3-3-5. Iowa and Wisconsin almost always play cover 2 zone, while Ohio State almost always plays press man and MSU plays quarters. Anything can work, if you recruit, develop players and coach them up.
Against all of these spread offenses you want more linebackers/DB's on the field than putting another defensive lineman on the field.
The 3-4 is the right defense to run. Until we get pass rush it will be a struggle. The staff knows it and is trying to fix it.
The 3-4 is the right defense to run. Until we get pass rush it will be a struggle. The staff knows it and is trying to fix it.
Personally I like the 4-3. Reason I say that is because that's what I used to coach. Although as a DC, they are all easy to implement. Biggest issue is fine, nickel, personel
IMO, I think people get too hung up between the 4-3 and 3-4. Chins runs a 4 man front often and he has said he does depending on the team. Yes, you need an extra LB in the 3-4 or an extra lineman in the 4-3 so which is easier to recruit? I say a LB but lots of teams seem to be able to find and develop them. There really isn't a 3 man front in the 3-4, there is generally (hesitate to say always) a LB on the edge, sometimes more than one.
In the old days of the 5-2 and 4-3 we often had the DE drop off in pass coverage. In this day and age with the spreads, teams need more speed on the back side to match the speed of the offense, thus the 4-2-5.
Personally, I could care less what you call it, I am more concerned with the results and so far they have not been anything worth crowing about.
In the old days of the 5-2 and 4-3 we often had the DE drop off in pass coverage. In this day and age with the spreads, teams need more speed on the back side to match the speed of the offense, thus the 4-2-5.
Personally, I could care less what you call it, I am more concerned with the results and so far they have not been anything worth crowing about.
A 3-4 OLB is basically a 4-3 DE. Clowney went from one to the other. In a 3-4 it’s supposed to confuse more than a 4-3 because the rush ends/OLB also cover. In a 4-3 the DE are basically rushing and that’s it.
a 5-2 is similar to a 3-4 but employs basically 3 DTs and the ends cover some
a 5-2 is similar to a 3-4 but employs basically 3 DTs and the ends cover some
Why, because most played in a 4-3 at Nebraska? You realize many played in other systems in the NFL and that the 4-3 defenses of McBride, Cozgrove, Pelini and Banker were all different, right? I would say Pelini’s 4-3 was more like Chinander’s 3-4 then it was McBride’s 4-3. Some people are way to fixated with the number of down lineman pre-snap.
The 3-4 is a good scheme. The 4-3 is NOT superior!! Our fanbase is beginning to seem clueless.
I hope our fans watch Wisconsin's scheme against us next week so they can stop seeming so oblivious about basic defensive schemes!
I hope our fans watch Wisconsin's scheme against us next week so they can stop seeming so oblivious about basic defensive schemes!
Chin's 3-4 is mainly a 1-gap. Built for smaller guys. Compare to Wisc when they switched to 3-4 or Alabama. They run a 2-gap. Diaco also ran a 2-gap. Chin also plays a lot of 3-4 under so sometimes it looks like a 4-3. Wisc also plays a lot of 2 DE moved in over the guards and no DT for spread teams.
Yes. So if they all played in other defenses in the NfL I bet they don’t choose the 3-4 for Nebraska. How many former players do you think support Shitander?
I doubt many support our current DC (no need for the childish nickname).
I also really doubt many have a strong dislike for the 3-4, like you, because they have been around high level football and know the number of down linemen has very little to do with how successful a defense is. I mean Alabama runs a 3-4, LSU runs a 3-4, the New England Patriots run a 3-4.
Take a look at this former 0 star Wisconsin Linebacker commit's highlight tape.
When watching his tape, focus on the 3-4 scheme being run. Notice how there's always a linebacker coming but you aren't sure which of the 4 backers it will be. Notice how hard it is to tell who's blitzing, dropping in to coverage, or spying. Notice the confusion from the opposing offensive lines.
The 3-4 is a good scheme. Give our coaches time to get it going here!
I think they understand we aren’t getting the same athletes as Alabama, LSU or the New England Patriots. It also doesn’t take playing high level football to see Chinander isn’t getting them to play hard which has been pointed out many times on film.
Here's a look at a different former 0 star Wisconsin Linebacker commit's highlight tape
The 3-4 is legit when run correctly and it doesn't require a roster full of 5 star players to work!
This is another 3-4 Backer. 4 star Iowa Western DEnd commit turned Outside Linebacker. Hopefully these tapes helped you all visualize how the 3-4 can fair against modern offenses.
Whatever alignment that is being played has to be backed up with a scheme out of that alignment that allows the coverage of players from the opposing team. This is handled by assignments, reads, along with fundamentals. For some reason our players are not doing their assignments, making the wrong reads or are scheme is just wrong. Since we seem to make the same reads over and over, we do not see personnel changes being made after watching another run up the middle for a TD while using simple counter motion one has to assume that the players are doing what the coaches want! Yes if you watch you see the same reaction to plays over and over again!
Again, you are using our poor defense as some sort of indictment of the 3-4, that is just stupid. It does not take superior talent to run a good 3-4 defense. Is Wisconsin loaded with talent on defense? And what does Chinander's ability to get the kids to play hard have to do with alignment we use on defense? You are all over the place.
To be good at 3-4 you need the right personnel or smart coaching, we have neither. Wisconsin has the smart D coaching though. If you don't have the personnel nor smart coaching, you should run 4-3, which is us.
Beautiful, and succinct way of putting it. You can't scheme your way out of poor recruiting and poor coaching. I'd rather the team do one thing perfectly than 100 things badly.
You need both to run any defense. That is the real issue. We wouldn't be any better in a four man front right now. The issue is talent AND coaching, not the number of down linemen.
I think we'd be at least a little better, should be a little more complex to run a 3-4.
Maybe if the defense lines up in all of those formations at the same time, they’ll get better results!
In what way, specifically, is it more complex to run the kind of 1-gap 3-4 that Chins runs as opposed to a 4-3? What kind of 4-3, specifically? How does that compare to the 3-4 under that he often runs that gives essentially the same alignment as a 4-3?
What I notice is guys playing with discipline and making plays when you have the opportunity. That's really what it's all about. Whether it's 4-3 or 3-4 doesn't really matter imo.
continuity plays a big part in this. those kids have been in the system 4-5 years, and the school's been coaching it forever.
hell, their DC played in it there.
Don't know if youre joking but I like that scheme too. I'd put CTB at the nickel/stinger
Although, Wisconsin did a number on a similar scheme using jet motion and Melvin Gordon
We run the 4-2-5 a lot already. Check out the 3rd quarter of the Purdue game last week.
The best I ever saw it ran was the Broncos SB year. Von Miller, Wolfe and Ware on the DL and Harris and Talib at CB. That defense was brutal and all they needed was a game mgr QB to run the offense
Wrong!!! They ran a 4-3 when Leonhard was a player. When they hired Gary Anderson, he brought Dave Aranda on as defensive coordinator and he switched them from the 4-3 to 3-4 starting with the 2013 season.
Not the way I would run it. And we do not run a true 4-2-5, Chins is a hybrid version
Watch the tape bro. Alex Davis may not fully commit to putting that hand in the dirt but it's a 4-2-5.
Dude... shut the hell up. I dont care for your input, because you are completely dense.
Dense huh. Laughable!
I'd rather know what I'm talking about which you obviously don't!. We run the 4-2-5 and I've proved it with tape. Prove otherwise please.
You can't!! So you should shut the hell up.