28-21 IC fin

[cigaros]

Soucie has Morris in 4A south in this week’s projections

I see Lincoln, Salem, Arlington Heights Saint Viator, Marengo, and Chicago Sullivan not qualify. With 3 being from the North, I projected Morris sliding back up. Still four games remain…which changes a lot. But it is literally minutes on the longitudinal line. So, those with more experience in how the decision is made will prevail.

 

[4Afan]

Soucie has Morris in 4A south in this week’s projections

Soucie is the king but with Morris it always comes down to week 9 to see where they end up. It's fun to speculate but I wouldn't put too much effort into where Morris will fall with so many games left to go.

 

[Doctor_D]

Soucie is the king but with Morris it always comes down to week 9 to see where they end up. It's fun to speculate but I wouldn't put too much effort into where Morris will fall with so many games left to go.

Agree. They could theoretically go north or south, 4A or 5A… I hope they go 4A though.
Friday gonna be crazy with the game and Corn Fest. I get off work around 7. Might have to find an alternate way home.

 

[MR. "T"]

I have seen Richmond Burton last year in the Providence playoff game. Then seen them play the first game this season. I would say they were better last year. Friday night's game with Morris will be interesting.

 

[cigaros]

Isn't IC 3a?

No, Success Factor pushes them to 4A.

 

[CCL65]

The real OG's do

No, Success Factor pushes them to 4A.

 

[CCL65]

Increase in enrollment plus multiplier pushed them to 4A. For success factor, you have to be in state finals two years in a row. They were not.

 

[MR. "T"]

Increase in enrollment plus multiplier pushed them to 4A. For success factor, you have to be in state finals two years in a row. They were not.

I think the way it works is if you win 3 playoff games in the previous two year span the 1.65 multiplier takes effect. Then if you get to the final game, win or lose the success factor goes into play. Which I believe is the cards IC has been dealt this year. With no multiplier or success factor in play they would have been in 2A this year with a 368 true enrollment.

 

[cigaros]

Item 17 classification system
Non-boundaried school multiplier

IHSA bylaw 3.170 directed a 1.65 multiplier be applied to the enrollment of all non-boundary schools. As defined by the bylaw, anon, boundary school is any private school, charter, school, lab school, magnet school, residential school, any public school in a multi high school district that does not accept students from a fix portion of the district, or any public school that Champs is less than full tuition rate authorized by the Illinois school code.

Non-boundary school programs, not eligible for a waiver
A sport or activity program at a particular non-boundary school is not eligible for an automatic waiver during the two-year classification. If over the course of the previous to school terms the program as a team has accomplished any of the following:
Wins the trophy at the state finals or in football, accomplishes the following

wins at least three playoff games

Item B success adjustment

A sport or activity program at a non-boundary school so I’ll be subject to the success of judgment, if over the course of the last to your classification enrollment. The program has one at least two trophies at the state finals. In such a case, the school will be moved up one class from the class in which it won the trophies. If a non-boundary teams multiplied enrollment, causes them to move up more than one class after a two-year class, Quetion enrollment cycle in which it won two trophies at the state finals. The multiplied enrollment will determine the teams classification enrollment.

 

[Doctor_D]

ihsa.org shows IC as having the multiplier and not the SF

https://www.ihsa.org/Schools/Enroll...l=/data/school/2023-25 cycle/waivers-fall.htm

 

[cornerrat]

All.... SHG has the success factor. Here is how it works for them. The last two years SHG was in 4A (NM) making the final in both seasons. That sets the SF into play.

This season the new two year enrollment came out. Multiplied SHG's fake enrollment is 884.40. That would put by the current playoff outlook (if they make it) in 5A postseason play. But the SF when it occurs has a stipulation. SF cannot create a two class bump up. So no 6A for the Cyclones. They are locked into 5A for the two year period. But it also means if that multiplied number 884.40 when the qualifiers are announced would say put them in as a high enrollment 4A qualifier nope .... you play 5A. Ratsy

 

[MR. "T"]

All.... SHG has the success factor. Here is how it works for them. The last two years SHG was in 4A (NM) making the final in both seasons. That sets the SF into play.

This season the new two year enrollment came out. Multiplied SHG's fake enrollment is 884.40. That would put by the current playoff outlook (if they make it) in 5A postseason play. But the SF when it occurs has a stipulation. SF cannot create a two class bump up. So no 6A for the Cyclones. They are locked into 5A for the two year period. But it also means if that multiplied number 884.40 when the qualifiers are announced would say put them in as a high enrollment 4A qualifier nope .... you play 5A. Ratsy

Ahh......thanks for clarifying that for me!

 

[CCL65]

Okay, for the success factor to kick in, you have to win state two years in a row. For some reason I thought you just had reach the final game two years in a row

 

[cornerrat]

Okay, for the success factor to kick in, you have to win state two years in a row. For some reason I thought you just had reach the final game two years in a row

All.... No. SHG took a second in 2021 and 1st in 2022. Getting a trophy both years. SF goes into effect. Ratsy

 

[CCL65]

Got it. The rule says “win a state tournament trophy “, which could be either first or second place. Could have worded it to say appear in the state championship game

So, if MC reaches the finals this year, they are in 8A next year

 

[cornerrat]

Got it. The rule says “win a state tournament trophy “, which could be either first or second place. Could have worded it to say appear in the state championship game

So, if MC reaches the finals this year, they are in 8A next year

All.... I don't believe so. I seem to recall hearing that for SF to kick it has to be in the same two year enrollment period. This is year one. So if I'm remembering correctly when the subject came up the Caravan would have to make the final in 2023 and 2024 and then in 2025 Class 8A. Ratsy

 

[CCL65]

So, with no multiplier in effect in 2021, both MC and IC opted to move up anyway. Did that start a two period starting in 2021?

 

[cornerrat]

So, with no multiplier in effect in 2021, both MC and IC opted to move up anyway. Did that start a two period starting in 2021?

All.... Four teams "played up" (it must be for two years) in 2021 which was the first of the two year enrollment average. Those schools were EIC, JCA, ESTL, and Loyola. Mt. Carmel had an enrollment of 1940.40 during that time. That number when the qualifiers were announced both years put them in class 7A.

IC in 2021 had a non multiplied enrollment of 323.50. When a school petitions up it has to be done and into the Ihsa by September 1st. When the qualifiers were announced at the end of the season class 2A on the 32 teams was 320-417. That would of put IC into 2A but having petitioned up they went 3A for 2021 and 2022.

The Knights multiplied enrollment for the next two years is 608.03. After five weeks the playoff outlook for class 4A is 563.50-848.00. IC should be in 4A when the postseason qualifiers are announced. The class numbers move up and down from week to week with wins and losses but I don't see a big enough move for them after week nine to drop back into 3A. Possible yes likely no. Past historical numbers don't support that happening. Ratsy

 

[CCL65]

I think I get it. MC and IC could play in state title games this year, but because they are both in new two year enrollment cycles starting in 2023, they will not be SF’d in 2024

 

[skinsfootball]

If you look at the last 5 years, the north has done pretty well in 4A. Starting from 2018, state champions have gone; IC, Richmond B, Covid, JCA, and finally SHG. As a "homer" of the North, it does seem completely lopsided when you compare brackets year after year. The overall depth in the northern brackets is unquestionably better making it more difficult to get to the state final. As for this year, I hope Morris stays in 4A and makes it to the southern bracket to even it out a little bit (no SHG down there this year being in 5A). However I don't think 4A is as strong this year as it has been in the last couple years. Barring any injuries, IC should come out of the North as they are LOADED with talent and might have their best overall team in a while. RB probably has the best chance to keep it close with them but I'm not sure anyone in 4A is beating IC. Morris is worse than last year, especially up front, and the defense is average. They play RB at home this week and we should learn more but they had this same hyped up matchup last year and RB won 31-7. I haven't been able to see Rochester play but I've heard they are really strong this year as well. I think that matchup with IC in the state final would be a fun one to watch. And lastly, because I'm a northern "homer", I'm asking the southern folks this question. Who else is good in the south? Will anyone even keep it close with Rochester come playoff time?

Last year Morris came into this game scoring 40pts/game and giving up 11pts/game. I can't speak statistically about yards/game but I would assume that was close as well. I don't think anyone said anything about being intimidated by RB, or that the team was average. I'm not impressed with them on defensive side of the ball, and that part I do think is average. Additionally, I do think the 22' team they had last year was better than the 23' team. Maybe they will prove me wrong on Friday night. It will be both teams toughest matchup to date and I would assume Morris will be ready to play after the pounding they took from RB last year.

I mean I tried to tell ya. Out coached and out played…..would love to hear your thoughts now.

 

[STIX815]

Foot in mouth. Morris played perfect and outplayed RB from the first whistle. I was wrong about them. Was basically a flip flop of last year.

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

Foot in mouth. Morris played perfect and outplayed RB from the first whistle. I was wrong about them. Was basically a flip flop of last year.

Hey,I'm from Morris and I didn't really know how to read this years team. Strength of schedule was a question I thought but they beat Coal City soundly and CC has rolled since then with Morris being their olny loss. They beat Joliet West giving them their only loss,and even though the SP Conference West is in may not be strong,Morris did well vs a school almost 4x's their size.Morris/Kaneland was a battle and Kaneland has 3 losses....to Washington 5-1,Morris 6-0 and Sycamore last night 22-21 and Sycamore is 6-0.
We should see a good battle in week 9 with Morris vs Sycamore,then wait and see where Morris ends up......4A or 5A ....north or south.

 

[cigaros]

If Morris ends up in the northern bracket of 4A, the route to Hancock stadium goes through Morris.

 

[Doctor_D]

I think RB is clearly a notch below their best teams, but not a knock on Morris as they looked really sharp last night.

IC is still the beast in 4A north, but if Morris keeps it going like this, they have a great shot.