25 ppg ?

[2jimmyjhen12]

let me first say... I'm 100% against a contract that mandates ppg.
the only exception I would make is if the mandate was 1 ppg.

what if Iowa is ahead 24-0 every single game... and go undefeated the entire season?
are you going to tell me that's not good enough?
the goal is to win... and the object is to score more than the opponent.

so.. I'm totally against this idea... but whatev.

all the same... I would like your opinion... is this good enough for you?
would you prefer that number to be higher?.. lower?.. or whatev ?

 

[EKHAWK]

I'm hoping the offense can score at least 2+ TDs and grind out at least 100 more yards per game to go along with extra points, a couple field goals, and some Hawkeye defensive magic. That should put the team in position to score 24-30 points and win 9-11 games next fall.

 

[rattlesnake jack]

Anyway you slice it, it's nepotism at its best. KF, BF, and GB all stink. I place most of the blame on Barta for being chicken-****. Must be nice to have your daddy (not Barta) as your boss and have a guarantied job and paycheck.

 

[2jimmyjhen12]

I'm hoping the offense can score at least 2+ TDs and grind out at least 100 more yards per game to go along with extra points, a couple field goals, and some Hawkeye defensive magic. That should put the team in position to score 24-30 points and win 9-11 games next fall.

Iowa is 55-3 the last 8 years when they score 24 ppg and 25-0 when they score 24 in the last four seasons.
I'm hoping we win 15 games this coming season.
we scored 17.7 ppg last season and won 8 games...
if we score 10 more points a game.. 15 wins is possible.

 

[airhawk]

I'm hoping the offense can score at least 2+ TDs and grind out at least 100 more yards per game to go along with extra points, a couple field goals, and some Hawkeye defensive magic. That should put the team in position to score 24-30 points and win 9-11 games next fall.

Kirk is painting himself into a corner. Is he going to go for more 4th downs in order to inflate the score for Brian? Run up the score to inflate the PPG? This is against his very being. In the last game of the year we are averaging 24 PPG, will he take risks that he wouldnt normally? This makes him look like a fool.

 

[CP84]

Just logged in, but this doesn't mean Brian will be fired if he doesn't get 25 points or 7 wins.

 

[EKHAWK]

Kirk is painting himself into a corner. Is he going to go for more 4th downs in order to inflate the score for Brian? Run up the score to inflate the PPG? This is against his very being. In the last game of the year we are averaging 24 PPG, will he take risks that he wouldnt normally? This makes him look like a fool.

Imo, he doesn't think that way and isn't going to dramatically change his gameplan to benefit his son but will considerchange to benefit the team. The current Coach Ferentz rarely takes risks on offense but knows how to adapt to win. It's definitely not sexy enough for some of the more vocal fans but the Hawkeyes win at a fairly high clip for a school not named Alabama/Ohio State/Georgia/etc. Most losses are by 7 points or less and we rarely get blown out. It would be great to win 10-12 games a year but then again, how many teams have done that in the past decade? Five? Ten?

 

[airhawk]

This contract has no teeth. It doesn't say he will be fired if these goals aren't met. This contract will run out does not mean he will be terminated. He will get a new contract under different terms. A 50K reduction is nothing and if the goals are met he will get a raise. Everyone knows he should have at the very least been demoted to co-coordinator or maybe O Line coach. I believe we will see improvement in the offense stats next year. Can't get any worse than last year. Kirk will point to that...always looking to improve, working hard, blah blah blah coach speak. And it goes on and on until he says it doesn't. Every year is different. The schedule looks easier but we still need to go out and win the games. 7 wins looks within reach but you never know.

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

I think more than anything I would just like an offense that scares opposing teams again. An Offense with an identity... I want Iowa to be known as the Bullies of the Big 10 again. I want an offense with some swagger and moxy. I want an offense that if need be can put together a tough, gritty game winning drive with less than 2 minutes on the clock... I want an offense that can consistently move the ball and be a threat to score... I want an offense with a more open playbook that is not so Damn predictable and I want an offense that compliments Defense and Special Teams...

 

[HawkFan10]

When the defense points count towards the 25 points it shows what a joke Kirk and Gary really are!

 

[hexumhawk]

There is no point to the updated contract. They would have been better off doing nothing. All you are doing now is creating more fodder and more outside noise.

 

[Jonesy5960]

This is not an offensive metric when you're including defensive and special teams touchdowns. It's just another way for Kirk to get his point across that the offensive performance doesn't matter.

 

[Dukeslater21]

Is Phil Parker getting bonuses for shutting teams down and for his defense scoring points? Asking for a . . . well, you know. LOL

 

[CP84]

I've been saying for a while there was a %70 chance Brian would be back.

 

[83Hawk]

let me first say... I'm 100% against a contract that mandates ppg.
the only exception I would make is if the mandate was 1 ppg.

what if Iowa is ahead 24-0 every single game... and go undefeated the entire season?
are you going to tell me that's not good enough?
the goal is to win... and the object is to score more than the opponent.

so.. I'm totally against this idea... but whatev.

all the same... I would like your opinion... is this good enough for you?
would you prefer that number to be higher?.. lower?.. or whatev ?

Support the program. Absolutely and without question.

 

[Speedway1]

Maybe no more protecting a lead. Playing not to lose. Run the score up every chance he gets.

 

[2jimmyjhen12]

yea.. I think people are over-reacting to this ppg thing.
rage blinds people from thinking clearly.

Iowa runs a ball control style offense... an offense I fully support.

Iowa's defense is styled to not allow big plays.. forcing the opposing offense to run clock.

these 2 factors alone will cause the ppg to be lower than average.
I call it smart football.

you also have to understand that when Iowa has the lead... you don't want to turn the ball over... and give the opponent the opportunity to score on a short field ... because now, you are working up hill.

you want to get the lead and hold the lead.... and Iowa does that very well.

now.. consider this... Iowa won 8 games last season... they were 8-5

that's pretty good.

people act as if the sky is falling
remember Nebraska fans fell to pieces for only winning 9 games a year.
Nebraska fans are idiots...
but unfortunately, I'm afraid they are rubbing off on Iowa fans.

I mean, think about it.. 9 wins wasn't enough.. now look what they get.

how about this... supporting the guys we got in our program?
I know its not popular... but I've never been a popular kind of guy.

 

[83Hawk]

yea.. I think people are over-reacting to this ppg thing.
rage blinds people from thinking clearly.

Iowa runs a ball control style offense... an offense I fully support.

Iowa's defense is styled to not allow big plays.. forcing the opposing offense to run clock.

these 2 factors alone will cause the ppg to be lower than average.
I call it smart football.

you also have to understand that when Iowa has the lead... you don't want to turn the ball over... and give the opponent the opportunity to score on a short field ... because now, you are working up hill.

you want to get the lead and hold the lead.... and Iowa does that very well.

now.. consider this... Iowa won 8 games last season... they were 8-5

that's pretty good.

people act as if the sky is falling
remember Nebraska fans fell to pieces for only winning 9 games a year.
Nebraska fans are idiots...
but unfortunately, I'm afraid they are rubbing off on Iowa fans.

I mean, think about it.. 9 wins wasn't enough.. now look what they get.

how about this... supporting the guys we got in our program?
I know its not popular... but I've never been a popular kind of guy.

And Iowa lost 2 games last season giving up only 10 and 9 points, because the offense could not score.

Nothing wrong with a ball control offense....but you still have to score. Trying to hold on to a lead works....until it doesn't (the previous bowl against Kentucky, the Iowa State game, etc.). The defense cannot be expected to stop the other team every time. Getting a lead and then going ultra conservative is not going to optimize your win total.

Anyone satisfied with an offense ranked 130/131 is a fool.

 

[2jimmyjhen12]

well.. I think the same about people that give offensive stats any bearing.
its about winning the game.
and Iowa does that very well.

winning is more important than offensive stats.

another way one could look at this is because of the offense... the defense looks better than it actually is. and thats because of style of play.. controlling the clock and field position... its smart football.
I've enjoyed this kind of football from Iowa now for a very long time... and I will enjoy this style of football in the 2023 season.

I think the Hawkeyes are going to win a lot of games.

 

[83Hawk]

well.. I think the same about people that give offensive stats any bearing.
its about winning the game.
and Iowa does that very well.

winning is more important than offensive stats.

another way one could look at this is because of the offense... the defense looks better than it actually is. and thats because of style of play.. controlling the clock and field position... its smart football.
I've enjoyed this kind of football from Iowa now for a very long time... and I will enjoy this style of football in the 2023 season.

I think the Hawkeyes are going to win a lot of games.

The offense is directly responsible for at least 2 losses this past season alone, and cost them a spot in he Big 10 title game. I'm glad that is acceptable to you. It's not acceptable to the vast majority of fans.

 

[hawkitd]

A 50K reduction is nothing and if the goals are met he will get a raise.

Isn't that a 10% salary cut? If so, it is significant. Most of us would certainly notice that type of cut.

Is it a foregone conclusion he'd get a raise if the goals are met?

 

[twindman]

I believe more like a 5% cut. And a promise of a 10% bonus/raise if we score 25 ppg.

 

[Mustang_hawk]

Isn't that a 10% salary cut? If so, it is significant. Most of us would certainly notice that type of cut.

Is it a foregone conclusion he'd get a raise if the goals are met?

It would be a 10% salary cut if he only made $500,000/year. If the goals are met he receives a one time payment of $112,500. I’d say it is a foregone conclusion.

 

[uirx2002]

just win baby

 

[Hawk-A-Maniac]

There is no point to the updated contract. They would have been better off doing nothing. All you are doing now is creating more fodder and more outside noise.

Exactly this. It’s taking an already embarrassing situation and amplifying it times a hundred.

FTR, while I don’t believe Brian is a good OC, Andy Reid would have struggled with that personnel in 2022.

But yes, the entire country knows Brian still has his job because of nepotism. Hopefully 2023 they silence the critics, because if the offense isn’t substantially improved the national media will make an even bigger mockery of Iowa. And recruiting for Kirk will go from extremely difficult to nearly impossible.

Kirk is taking a huge gamble here. His entire legacy hinges on Brian. If the offense sucks again, I don’t see how Kirk won’t have any other choice but to retire.

 

[Hawk-A-Maniac]

The offense is directly responsible for at least 2 losses this past season alone, and cost them a spot in he Big 10 title game. I'm glad that is acceptable to you. It's not acceptable to the vast majority of fans.

If the Iowa defense was just a C+/B- unit instead of a B+/A- one, Iowa is likely something like 5-7 in 2021 and 3-9 in 2022.

I don’t think those same fans would be singing the same tune.

 

[We R Iowa]

I am with posters above who do not agree with a points-per-game requirement (for whatever). And I do not demand that Iowa always, or on average, posts a certain number of wins. What I do require is that Iowa is not the national laughing stock we have become. I want, at the least, a competent offense. By that, I mean one that is frequently entertaining to watch and is generally a threat to score offensive points. Anything scored by the defense should be a bonus, not part of a points threshold.

And it would be nice if we were, at least frequently, sexy.

 

[2jimmyjhen12]

I am with posters above who do not agree with a points-per-game requirement (for whatever). And I do not demand that Iowa always, or on average, posts a certain number of wins. What I do require is that Iowa is not the national laughing stock we have become. I want, at the least, a competent offense. By that, I mean one that is frequently entertaining to watch and is generally a threat to score offensive points. Anything scored by the defense should be a bonus, not part of a points threshold.

And it would be nice if we were, at least frequently, sexy.

I can't agree..
the terms "sexy" and "laughing stock" are subjective terms... they are fitting for an individual's opinion... and impossible to measure.

its ironic... our enemies laugh at us.. but they can't beat us.

and.. is it sexier to win 45-42 or to win 6-4 ?
also.. if you're watching football and thinking sex.. there might be something wrong with your moral compass.

we got the best coaches in the country here at Iowa... and they will figure things out.
with... or without.. your support.

 

[Zach Jump]

Anyway you slice it, it's nepotism at its best. KF, BF, and GB all stink

I know, right.

Nobody else does anything similar.

No way Lisa Bluder would hire her daughter, Hannah Bluder.

Tom Brands wouldn't employ the wife of one of his wrestlers, let alone his own brother.

 

[CurlyHawk]

I think more than anything I would just like an offense that scares opposing teams again. An Offense with an identity... I want Iowa to be known as the Bullies of the Big 10 again. I want an offense with some swagger and moxy. I want an offense that if need be can put together a tough, gritty game winning drive with less than 2 minutes on the clock... I want an offense that can consistently move the ball and be a threat to score... I want an offense with a more open playbook that is not so Damn predictable and I want an offense that compliments Defense and Special Teams...

But what do you really want?

 

[Mgshawk71]

I know, right.

Nobody else does anything similar.

No way Lisa Bluder would hire her daughter, Hannah Bluder.

Tom Brands wouldn't employ the wife of one of his wrestlers, let alone his own

well.. I think the same about people that give offensive stats any bearing.
its about winning the game.
and Iowa does that very well.

winning is more important than offensive stats.

another way one could look at this is because of the offense... the defense looks better than it actually is. and thats because of style of play.. controlling the clock and field position... its smart football.
I've enjoyed this kind of football from Iowa now for a very long time... and I will enjoy this style of football in the 2023 season.

I think the Hawkeyes are going to win a lot of games.

Why does Iowa employ the defensive philosophy they do? According to coach Ferentz it’s because if teams have to take a lot of plays to drive the field to score there’s more chances for offensive mistakes and thus they turn the ball over or get behind the chains and have to punt. What is iowas offensive philosophy? It’s the exact type of offense that the defense is trying to turn every other team into. One that has to take lots of plays and long drives thus having more chances to make a mistake. By coach Ferentz own thinking his offense is already failing just by the philosophy he employs

 

[BLHawkeye]

I can't agree..
the terms "sexy" and "laughing stock" are subjective terms... they are fitting for an individual's opinion... and impossible to measure.

its ironic... our enemies laugh at us.. but they can't beat us.

and.. is it sexier to win 45-42 or to win 6-4 ?
also.. if you're watching football and thinking sex.. there might be something wrong with your moral compass.

we got the best coaches in the country here at Iowa... and they will figure things out.
with... or without.. your support.

Kirk Ferentz quote below, please better check his moral compass...

 

[2jimmyjhen12]

Kirk Ferentz quote below, please better check his moral compass...

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are you a moron or something ?

you know he was mocking the idea of "sexy" football... no ?

 

[BLHawkeye]

are you a moron or something ?

you know he was mocking the idea of "sexy" football... no ?

Yeah spin it how you want. He has used the term sexy to describe Iowa football as in we are not sexy multiple times. Are you a moron or something? Or just not smart enough to figure it out?

 

[2jimmyjhen12]

Yeah spin it how you want. He has used the term sexy to describe Iowa football as in we are not sexy multiple times. Are you a moron or something? Or just not smart enough to figure it out?

good grief man.. you are dumber than dog doo

 

[BLHawkeye]

good grief man.. you are dumber than dog doo

Nicely done to continue with insults. You must have a lot of friends.