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yasqueen2026

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This can be a problem in some cases. Obviously, Iowa will never be as successful with top black players as LSU or South Carolina are, but we couldn't recruit Emilee Skinner, Olivia Olson, Maddyn Greenway, Jordan Speiser, Addison Bjorn, and Kate Harpring, and we managed to sign Dani and Chit Chat. Again, Iowa's problem is simple: lack of money.
Iowa has plenty of money for WBB. Brad Heinrichs has said this. Skim Milkey has said this. The number of programs with more $$ for WBB than Iowa can be counted on one hand. OK State might have more money this year bc of a huge donation but might not next year. Iowa WBB has an AD that cares about WBB and gives them enough rev share to back it up (WAY more than the national average). Woliczko and Carnegie are both costing a pretty penny. We'd have neither if we didn't have enough money. Look at who ISU has brought in from the portal if you want to see a program that doesn't have enough money.
 
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Anon1750875978

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The issue is that no program but Iowa was deeply unpopular with many black (and white, for that matter) players, families, and coaches in response to a controversy about racism that was literally the biggest storyline in the country. Those programs weren't associated with "fans" who would go on Twitter and post memes about Caitlin Clark "owning" Angel Reese (yes "owning" as in slavery). WNBA players haven't posted about how racist their fan bases are (Natasha Cloud literally posted "Iowa has GOT to do something about their racist fans!" on Twitter). It's tough to shake that, even if most of it is BS created by rage baiters, bot farms, and racists who never watched a single WBB game before CC22 came along.

It's also hard to shake it when the overwhelming culture and vibe of the team has been very white (the music they listen to, the slang they use, their cultural reference points -- a video went pretty viral back in 2024 juxtaposing Iowa warming up and LSU warming up...the vibes were starkly different). Bluder and Jan can also both come off as painfully midwestern. The haircuts especially are very glaring examples....lmao.

I believe in Jan and hope she is our coach til she is ready to retire (which I don't think will be more than 7-8 years from now) but our next coach absolutely needs to be a black woman if we are ever to get over the recruiting hump. I do think hiring Lasondra (and her recruitment of Chat and Carnegie) are huge steps in the right direction for Jan.
Are we really trying to suddenly infer that the main problem for Jensen recruiting elite Black high school talent to IC is something that happened in the football program years ago?


Not buying it.
JJ's loss to Virginia had nothing to do with race. Anyone that watched them squeak by FDU knew where the issues were.
Iowa makes it to the Elite 8, which they were favored to do, and we're not even having this conversation.
 
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yasqueen2026

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Are we really trying to suddenly infer that the main problem for Jensen recruiting elite Black high school talent to IC is something that happened in the football program years ago?


Not buying it.
JJ's loss to Virginia had nothing to do with race. Anyone that watched them squeak by FDU knew where the issues were.
Iowa makes it to the Elite 8, which they were favored to do, and we're not even having this conversation.
Except this has been the case for years -- it isn't a new problem. We're specifically talking about players like Aneesah Morrow and Divine Bourrage who never gave Iowa the time of day. The topic of Jan's ability to recruit black athletes is a completely different topic from the game versus VA or any other game this season. And I have zero idea what any of this has to do with Football. I don't even watch Football so I don't know what you're saying I am inferring (and I doubt many high school girls basketball players do either). Really don't understand the point you're trying to make, to be honest.
 

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Given that more than half of the WNBA players are lesbian and that at least three (probably more but three are openly out) of the players of our two Final Four team were lesbians along with two of the AC coaches at the time, why on earth would you think this would be a problem?

Also, anyone who thinks that Jan being a lesbian is a problem is not someone we want anywhere on or near the team or really at the University. Talk about University of Iowa and the wbb preserving culture, that kind of person does NOT fit the culture. Feel free to go to Liberty.

I think Jan being a lesbian is nothing but very helpful in recruiting. It signals that the University of Iowa is a open-minded place and not filled with people who hate. I think it helps counteract the widely held believe that Iowa is filled with racists and narrow minded people who will treat players badly for being themselves.

The vast majority of young talented basketball players are not going to be anti-lesbian. Young people rarely have that kind of issue.

Steph White, Cheryl Reeve, and Becky Hammon --three of the top women's professional basketball coaches are lesbian.

This is not a sport where that matters. It shouldn't matter anywhere.
It's not a well kept secret that Bill Fennelly used Angie Lee's sexuality in negative recruiting against Iowa years ago.
Given that ISU had lesbian players recently, it's obviously different now, but to say it couldn't be a factor is simply not true.
 

Anon1750875978

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Except this has been the case for years -- it isn't a new problem. We're specifically talking about players like Aneesah Morrow and Divine Bourrage who never gave Iowa the time of day. The topic of Jan's ability to recruit black athletes is a completely different topic from the game versus VA or any other game this season. And I have zero idea what any of this has to do with Football. I don't even watch Football so I don't know what you're saying I am inferring (and I doubt many high school girls basketball players do either). Really don't understand the point you're trying to make, to be honest.
Which racism story are you referring to??

I connected your reference to what happened with Ferentz years ago.
 

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It's not a well kept secret that Bill Fennelly used Angie Lee's sexuality in negative recruiting against Iowa years ago.
Given that ISU had lesbian players recently, it's obviously different now, but to say it couldn't be a factor is simply not true.
Iowa doesn't want anyone who it would be a problem for--so therefore, it's not a factor in our recruiting.

It's good to weed out anyone it would be a problem for. It's that simple.
 
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Money is a HUGE part of it and definitely matters but you are oversimplifying if you think other things don't have an effect.
Like location, winter, airport access, size of city, state demographics, perceived fan biases, etc
All programs have problems with recruitment or the Transfer Portal, but money makes all those problems seem smaller and easier to overcome. Oklahoma State certainly has many more problems than Iowa, and with money they managed to sweep the Transfer Portal. I could cite several other programs that were nothing before having money and now achieve what they want, and I could also cite programs that achieve everything because they have money, and if the money were no longer there, they wouldn't achieve anything anymore.
 

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All programs have problems with recruitment or the Transfer Portal, but money makes all those problems seem smaller and easier to overcome. Oklahoma State certainly has many more problems than Iowa, and with money they managed to sweep the Transfer Portal. I could cite several other programs that were nothing before having money and now achieve what they want, and I could also cite programs that achieve everything because they have money, and if the money were no longer there, they wouldn't achieve anything anymore.
I agree on money going a long way, but it's not everything. Oklahoma State's money bought them a lot. I would be astonished if the end result is a team that wins as much as they would have gotten for 3/4 as much money if they were located more favorably.
 

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Which racism story are you referring to??

I connected your reference to what happened with Ferentz years ago.
Were you living under a rock in 2023 when the Iowa women's basketball team played LSU in the national championship game? The ensuing storylines were literally the biggest story in the country. It was a moment of national cultural reckoning. Every morning talk show, every late night talk show, every sports and non-sports network covered it. SNL remarked on it multiple weeks in a row. Celebrities who had never spoken about WBB before had something to say.

I can't speak to whatever you're talking about with some football team but my guess is that people who don't frequent Iowa message boards don't know much about it either....especially girls basketball players.
 

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Iowa has plenty of money for WBB. Brad Heinrichs has said this. Skim Milkey has said this. The number of programs with more $$ for WBB than Iowa can be counted on one hand. OK State might have more money this year bc of a huge donation but might not next year. Iowa WBB has an AD that cares about WBB and gives them enough rev share to back it up (WAY more than the national average). Woliczko and Carnegie are both costing a pretty penny. We'd have neither if we didn't have enough money. Look at who ISU has brought in from the portal if you want to see a program that doesn't have enough money.
Iowa has some money to get ONLY ONE 5 star recruit in the recruiting class or ONLY ONE super star in the Transfer Portal, and then the money runs out. That's having some money, but I can name at least ten (maybe 15) programs that have enough money to get a class with more than one 5 star recruit or a class with more than one superstar of the Portal, something Iowa has NEVER done, so where is that money when it comes time to do what needs to be done? Fanfic.
 
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Dude his main point wasn't about being conservative, it was about the PERCEPTION that Iowa fans, and the "culture" of Iowa is racist. If you haven't seen that since the very out in the open back and forth of the whole CC22 vs Reese in 23 then you have your head in the sand. It was a BIG topic on every major sports talk show with people taking sides (mostly along racial lines). Even high profile blacks like Abdul Jabbar commented publicly (even though he didn't know crap about what REALLY happened). Again its about PERCEPTION. As yasqueen stated there have been several top black players who would not even take calls from Iowa. That's a fact, and not just a talking point.
Yet he still managed to call out conservatives in it.
 

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Iowa has some money to get ONLY ONE 5 star recruit in the recruiting class or ONLY ONE super star in the Transfer Portal, and then the money runs out. That's having some money, but I can name at least ten (maybe 15) programs that have enough money to get a class with more than one 5 star recruit or a class with more than one superstar of the Portal, something Iowa has NEVER done, so where is that money when it comes time to do what needs to be done? Fanfic.
The issue was not that Iowa couldn't afford more five star players for 2026. It was that only one five star player in 2026 wanted to play for Iowa.

There are not 15 programs that have more money for WBB than Iowa. There are 5, maybe 6, at most. Not including Ok State in this bc I'm not convinced they will get $4 million from a a donor ever again. If they do, then that list can be expanded to 7 schools. Assuming they don't, Iowa will have more money than them next year, just like last year. I really don't know why people think Iowa WBB doesn't have money. It's not based in reality.

If Iowa can't get players, it's not because of money. It's because players do not want to play for Iowa.
 
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Iowa has some money to get ONLY ONE 5 star recruit in the recruiting class or ONLY ONE super star in the Transfer Portal, and then the money runs out. That's having some money, but I can name at least ten (maybe 15) programs that have enough money to get a class with more than one 5 star recruit or a class with more than one superstar of the Portal, something Iowa has NEVER done, so where is that money when it comes time to do what needs to be done? Fanfic.
A month ago, comments on this site that Iowa WBB was a top 5-8 program in resources.

No longer the case?
 

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I agree on money going a long way, but it's not everything. Oklahoma State's money bought them a lot. I would be astonished if the end result is a team that wins as much as they would have gotten for 3/4 as much money if they were located more favorably.
That's the point. Iowa has many more factors in its favor to perform much better than OSU on the Transfer Portal, but it doesn't have as much money available as OSU, and that changes everything. Money changes everything.
 

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The issue was not that Iowa couldn't afford more five star players for 2026. It was that only one five star player in 2026 wanted to play for Iowa.

There are not 15 programs that have more money for WBB than Iowa. There are 5, maybe 6, at most. Not including Ok State in this bc I'm not convinced they will get $4 million from a a donor again next year. If they do, then the list can be 7 schools. Assuming they don't, Iowa will have more money than them next year, just like last year.

I really don't know why people think Iowa WBB doesn't have money. It's not based in reality. If Iowa can't get players, it's not because of money. It's because players do not want to play for Iowa.
^^^^^
100%

If Beth wasn't the AD when Bluder retired, I think there would have been a coaching search.
A legit coaching search.
 

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Iowa has some money to get ONLY ONE 5 star recruit in the recruiting class or ONLY ONE super star in the Transfer Portal, and then the money runs out. That's having some money, but I can name at least ten (maybe 15) programs that have enough money to get a class with more than one 5 star recruit or a class with more than one superstar of the Portal, something Iowa has NEVER done, so where is that money when it comes time to do what needs to be done? Fanfic.
I have seen it said before to that there were only a handful of team that had more money than Iowa to use for NIL.....not sure where they got their information because results show otherwise....
 

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The issue was not that Iowa couldn't afford more five star players for 2026. It was that only one five star player in 2026 wanted to play for Iowa.

There are not 15 programs that have more money for WBB than Iowa. There are 5, maybe 6, at most. Not including Ok State in this bc I'm not convinced they will get $4 million from a a donor ever again. If they do, then that list can be expanded to 7 schools. Assuming they don't, Iowa will have more money than them next year, just like last year. I really don't know why people think Iowa WBB doesn't have money. It's not based in reality.

If Iowa can't get players, it's not because of money. It's because players do not want to play for Iowa.
Only six programs with more money than Iowa? So you're saying Iowa has more money than Texas, Oklahoma, Duke, Kentucky, UNC, TCU, Ole Miss, Tennessee? And everyone else manages to get several 5-star caliber players, except Iowa. It must be a matter of luck. Okay, we can live on illusions too.

  1. South Carolina
  2. UConn
  3. LSU
  4. Notre Dame
  5. USC
  6. UCLA
  7. Tennessee
  8. Duke
  9. Texas
  10. Maryland
  11. Ole Miss
  12. Oklahoma
  13. Oklahoma State
  14. TCU
  15. Kentucky
  16. UNC
  17. Vandy
  18. Michigan
 
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That would be excellent information IF you could sell that to 18-22 year old women of color. Unfortunately I don't see them giving two shakes about that kind of history. They're too focused on social media and the like....
Iowa has way more to crow about.

History's first mens 5 on 5 college basketball game took place in Iowa City on January 18, 1896 - The Hawks lost 15 -12 to the University of Chicago. Iowa's Dr. Henry Kallenberg and Chicago's football coach Alonzo Stagg co-invented the modern 5-on-5 game.

In 1898 the first girl high school team ever, formed in Dubuque. Boone, Cedar Rapids, and Sioux City high schools teams followed very shortly after.

The 1920 Iowa Girls Basketbal tournament was the first in the country.

Iowa's love of women's basketball preceeded Caitlin by nearly a 100 years. Maybe those recruits that don't want to hear about CC could be told the whole story.

In 1970, just before Title IX was enacted, 20% of the nations female high school athletes were in Iowa (with only 1.4% of the country's population) -

Iowa was long ahead of the curve in women's sports.
In 1970, 20% of all girls playing high school sports in the United States were from Iowa,
according to the National Endowment for the Humanities
.ESPN.com

Modern basketball started in Iowa City. And, we have the best tradition in the country for supporting women's sports.

Maybe Jan needs a PR overall, because we are getting trashed by idiots.
 

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Iowa has way more to crow about.

History's first mens 5 on 5 college basketball game took place in Iowa City on January 18, 1896 - The Hawks lost 15 -12 to the University of Chicago. Iowa's Dr. Henry Kallenberg and Chicago's football coach Alonzo Stagg co-invented the modern 5-on-5 game.

In 1898 the first girl high school team ever, formed in Dubuque. Boone, Cedar Rapids, and Sioux City high schools teams followed very shortly after.

The 1920 Iowa Girls Basketbal tournament was the first in the country.

Iowa's love of women's basketball preceeded Caitlin by nearly a 100 years. Maybe those recruits that don't want to hear about CC could be told the whole story.

In 1970, just before Title IX was enacted, 20% of the nations female high school athletes were in Iowa (with only 1.4% of the country's population) -

Iowa was long ahead of the curve in women's sports.
In 1970, 20% of all girls playing high school sports in the United States were from Iowa,
according to the National Endowment for the Humanities
.ESPN.com

Modern basketball started in Iowa City. And, we have the best tradition in the country for supporting women's sport.

Maybe Jan needs a PR overall, because we are getting trashed by idiots.
Iowa has way more to crow about.

History's first mens 5 on 5 college basketball game took place in Iowa City on January 18, 1896 - The Hawks lost 15 -12 to the University of Chicago. Iowa's Dr. Henry Kallenberg and Chicago's football coach Alonzo Stagg co-invented the modern 5-on-5 game.

In 1898 the first girl high school team ever, formed in Dubuque. Boone, Cedar Rapids, and Sioux City high schools teams followed very shortly after.

The 1920 Iowa Girls Basketbal tournament was the first in the country.

Iowa's love of women's basketball preceeded Caitlin by nearly a 100 years. Maybe those recruits that don't want to hear about CC could be told the whole story.

In 1970, just before Title IX was enacted, 20% of the nations female high school athletes were in Iowa (with only 1.4% of the country's population) -

Iowa was long ahead of the curve in women's sports.
In 1970, 20% of all girls playing high school sports in the United States were from Iowa,
according to the National Endowment for the Humanities
.ESPN.com

Modern basketball started in Iowa City. And, we have the best tradition in the country for supporting women's sport.

Maybe Jan needs a PR overall, because we are getting trashed by idiots.
Okay then. lolol.. Like I said that's all great information about THE University of Iowa, and I'm pretty certain that NO 18-22 year old athlete would give a flying F--- about using any of that to sway their decision on where to attend college in 2026. That all sounds pretty cool for old has beens like you and me who grew up in Iowa but do you really think that matters to these kids today in the age of social media, and $$$? Really?
 

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Only six programs with more money than Iowa? So you're saying Iowa has more money than Texas, Oklahoma, Duke, Kentucky, UNC, TCU, Ole Miss, Tennessee? And everyone else manages to get several 5-star caliber players, except Iowa. It must be a matter of luck. Okay, we can live on illusions too.

  1. South Carolina
  2. UConn
  3. LSU
  4. Notre Dame
  5. USC
  6. UCLA
  7. Tennessee
  8. Duke
  9. Texas
  10. Maryland
  11. Ole Miss
  12. Oklahoma
  13. Oklahoma State
  14. TCU
  15. Kentucky
  16. UNC
  17. Vandy
  18. Michigan
First of all, I'm not sure you grasp how expensive Dani Carnegie is. She is not just a 5 star player -- and not all 5 star players cost the same. As a first-team All-SEC player she is one of the most expensive players in the country -- ESPN ranks her as the 3rd biggest get in the portal. She could very well be the 3rd most expensive player in the portal as well. She likely costs as much as 3 (maybe 4) typical 5 star players. Being a 5 star player does not mean you automatically command as much money as you want.

Most programs could not afford Carnegie -- because she costs as much as 3 or 4 other players. Same with Woliczko -- few players command as much money as she does as a freshman but Jan thinks she is worth it. In contrast, Addie Deal is commanding no more than 1/3 of what Woliczko commands -- her 5 star rating isn't doing much for her. There are plenty of 5 star players out there who didn't live up to their ranking and they're not getting paid as much as they want. That's why they're all transferring--but like Deal, many will learn that your performance on the court commands portal money, not your HS ranking. Kaelynn Carroll, recent name that popped up in Hawkeye recruiting circles, is another example -- she was ranked in the Top 15 by ESPN, was barely a blip for KY this season. She'll be lucky to get $250k at this point. That's why she was recently linked with Iowa -- Iowa had gotten to the point where we're not spending anymore than that on any players, and so they got talking.

You're likely also underestimating how much Jan is paying Heiden. Heiden would probably command almost as much as Audi Crooks if she entered the portal because athletic centers are hard to come by. She should be getting paid at least as much as Woliczko, in my estimation. My guess is Jan is also compensating Chat very well. Woliczko, Heiden, Carnegie and Chat -- 4 of our players -- likely command at least $2 million per season. In contrast, Iowa State only has $1 million and change to work with total.

None of Michigan, Vandy, Maryland, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, or Ole Miss (nor Oklahoma State, usually) have that much money. Michigan lost their entire roster 2 seasons ago because of it -- fans knew it and were complaining about it all over the internet. I don't know what they're paying Olsen and Swords but I'd be shocked if it's overly impressive. There's a reason they haven't been able to recruit a real big to play alongside their stellar guards and I think it's because they don't have the money for it.

The only other schools that definitely have more money for WBB than Iowa are South Carolina, UConn, LSU, TCU, Oklahoma, and maybe Texas (just assuming, never heard real numbers that prove this). All of these schools recruit well because their coach is good at recruiting and their brands have far more cachet than Iowa. If a coach has ever made the Final Four (i.e., Kentucky), it's much easier to get a top kid to look at you. Jan is always going to be playing catch-up until/unless she can do so as well.

Newsflash, Iowa didn't get many 5 star players before revenue sharing. We *are* getting them now, because we have an AD that understands the value of WBB and is willing to invest in it (I know Lucy Olsen and Carnegie weren't 5 stars, but they cost as much as a 5 star and perform like 5 stars, so I'm counting them all the same). That's helping us get over the hump(s). But we're not going to start recruiting like UConn overnight. It's not just money, it never has been and never will be in WBB. WBB recruiting is still deeply intwined with networking and AAU teams and relationships. Look at what Lasondra has done for us with Chat and Dani.

That's also a big part of TCU's draw. Campbell developed Sabrina Ionescu and is known as an elite guard coach. Kids like playing for him, families believe their kids are in good hands. Jan is still proving herself and finding her footing in many ways, including along the lines of building relationships. Barrett is a huge boost for that. Another thing about TCU is that they do kill it in the portal but they also don't really recruit high school kids. They have more turn-over and therefore more money becoming available every year. If we didn't have Woliczko, we could afford 2 or 3 more "5 star" kids (or near that caliber) as well. That doesn't mean that they'd collectively be better than Woliczko though. Clearly Jan doesn't think that's the case.
 
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Okay then. lolol.. Like I said that's all great information about THE University of Iowa, and I'm pretty certain that NO 18-22 year old athlete would give a flying F--- about using any of that to sway their decision on where to attend college in 2026. That all sounds pretty cool for old has beens like you and me who grew up in Iowa but do you really think that matters to these kids today in the age of social media, and $$$? Really?

What in the hell is your problem? Who are you that you think you can throw around insults to people that did nothing to deserve it?
 

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What in the hell is your problem? Who are you that you think you can throw around insults to people that did nothing to deserve it?
Good Lord dude, chill. Okay, I AM an old has been, okay? Please explain WHY some 20yr old girl would care about what Iowa women's basketball or the University was doing 100 years ago? Do you really believe that's what they would base their decisions on? I have a granddaughter who just went to college, and two sons who played basketball in college and I'm pretty sure that would not have resonated with any of them when they were making a decision on where to go to college, or what team to play for.
 

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Were you living under a rock in 2023 when the Iowa women's basketball team played LSU in the national championship game? The ensuing storylines were literally the biggest story in the country. It was a moment of national cultural reckoning. Every morning talk show, every late night talk show, every sports and non-sports network covered it. SNL remarked on it multiple weeks in a row. Celebrities who had never spoken about WBB before had something to say.

I can't speak to whatever you're talking about with some football team but my guess is that people who don't frequent Iowa message boards don't know much about it either....especially girls basketball players.
I'm curious - I don't care to dig through all of the posts about this, but did you even bother to read all of the racist crap that was said about Clark from the South Carolina and LSU fan bases? Or any of the other "fans" that can not stand the fact that CC was and is the most popular WBB player on the planet?
 

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I'm curious - I don't care to dig through all of the posts about this, but did you even bother to read all of the racist crap that was said about Clark from the South Carolina and LSU fan bases? Or any of the other "fans" that can not stand the fact that CC was and is the most popular WBB player on the planet?
It doesn't matter what I'm reading. We are discussing what young black athletes and their families are reading/hearing/seeing.
 
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This is the kind of thread you'd expect after the roster has been set, assuming people are still disappointed. From what I can tell, next year's top eight are better than this past year's group. Two (Ava and Dani) legitimate first-team all-B1G candidates (or better), plus another (Chat) who could challenge for postseason honors. A freshman who, if healthy, chases freshman of the year honors. Another transfer that has started 97 games in the Big 12. We know the team will add 2-3 more players (maybe 4), all of whom, I would wager, will be an improvement over last year's 9-12 players on the roster. Regarding Jan, she overhauled the coaching staff, and I think they are considerably better now than in year one. With the new coaches, she has opened a recruiting pipeline to the southeast. She won 22, then 27 games in her first two seasons. The games continue to sell out. I am not sure what some of you are complaining about. The Iowa WBB team has weathered the loss of the GOAT, multiple four-year starters, and a change at the top quite well.
 

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It doesn't matter what I'm reading. We are discussing what young black athletes and their families are reading/hearing/seeing.
The internet is filled with garbage and you simply cannot control what people read. You only hope they have enough common sense to filter through what is correct or not. If they can't, then you probably don't want that athlete.
 

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My take on this thread.
 

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First of all, I'm not sure you grasp how expensive Dani Carnegie is. She is not just a 5 star player -- and not all 5 star players cost the same. As a first-team All-SEC player she is one of the most expensive players in the country -- ESPN ranks her as the 3rd biggest get in the portal. She could very well be the 3rd most expensive player in the portal as well. She likely costs as much as 3 (maybe 4) typical 5 star players. Being a 5 star player does not mean you automatically command as much money as you want.

Most programs could not afford Carnegie -- because she costs as much as 3 or 4 other players. Same with Woliczko -- few players command as much money as she does as a freshman but Jan thinks she is worth it. In contrast, Addie Deal is commanding no more than 1/3 of what Woliczko commands -- her 5 star rating isn't doing much for her. There are plenty of 5 star players out there who didn't live up to their ranking and they're not getting paid as much as they want. That's why they're all transferring--but like Deal, many will learn that your performance on the court commands portal money, not your HS ranking. Kaelynn Carroll, recent name that popped up in Hawkeye recruiting circles, is another example -- she was ranked in the Top 15 by ESPN, was barely a blip for KY this season. She'll be lucky to get $250k at this point. That's why she was recently linked with Iowa -- Iowa had gotten to the point where we're not spending anymore than that on any players, and so they got talking.

You're likely also underestimating how much Jan is paying Heiden. Heiden would probably command almost as much as Audi Crooks if she entered the portal because athletic centers are hard to come by. She should be getting paid at least as much as Woliczko, in my estimation. My guess is Jan is also compensating Chat very well. Woliczko, Heiden, Carnegie and Chat -- 4 of our players -- likely command at least $2 million per season. In contrast, Iowa State only has $1 million and change to work with total.

None of Michigan, Vandy, Maryland, Kentucky, UNC, Duke, or Ole Miss (nor Oklahoma State, usually) have that much money. Michigan lost their entire roster 2 seasons ago because of it -- fans knew it and were complaining about it all over the internet. I don't know what they're paying Olsen and Swords but I'd be shocked if it's overly impressive. There's a reason they haven't been able to recruit a real big to play alongside their stellar guards and I think it's because they don't have the money for it.

The only other schools that definitely have more money for WBB than Iowa are South Carolina, UConn, LSU, TCU, Oklahoma, and maybe Texas (just assuming, never heard real numbers that prove this). All of these schools recruit well because their coach is good at recruiting and their brands have far more cachet than Iowa. If a coach has ever made the Final Four (i.e., Kentucky), it's much easier to get a top kid to look at you. Jan is always going to be playing catch-up until/unless she can do so as well.

Newsflash, Iowa didn't get many 5 star players before revenue sharing. We *are* getting them now, because we have an AD that understands the value of WBB and is willing to invest in it (I know Lucy Olsen and Carnegie weren't 5 stars, but they cost as much as a 5 star and perform like 5 stars, so I'm counting them all the same). That's helping us get over the hump(s). But we're not going to start recruiting like UConn overnight. It's not just money, it never has been and never will be in WBB. WBB recruiting is still deeply intwined with networking and AAU teams and relationships. Look at what Lasondra has done for us with Chat and Dani.

That's also a big part of TCU's draw. Campbell developed Sabrina Ionescu and is known as an elite guard coach. Kids like playing for him, families believe their kids are in good hands. Jan is still proving herself and finding her footing in many ways, including along the lines of building relationships. Barrett is a huge boost for that. Another thing about TCU is that they do kill it in the portal but they also don't really recruit high school kids. They have more turn-over and therefore more money becoming available every year. If we didn't have Woliczko, we could afford 2 or 3 more "5 star" kids (or near that caliber) as well. That doesn't mean that they'd collectively be better than Woliczko though. Clearly Jan doesn't think that's the case.
[If we didn't have Woliczko, we could afford 2 or 3 more "5 star" kids (or near that caliber) as well.]

That's exactly the point. Iowa has the money to get ONE 5-star recruit and ONE top player in the Portal (and that's more money than the vast majority of programs have available), but there are many teams with more money than that, just look at the roster, just look at how much slower things happen in Iowa. Don't tell me Jan is being selective, the money simply is short. Texas recruited FOUR 5-star recruits in the 2026 class, and you still think MAYBE Texas has more money? Sorry, but you're choosing to be delusional. Iowa does have money, but there are MANY teams with more money than Iowa, just look at the rosters. Heiden doesn't get the 1.4M that Audi gets, OBVIOUSLY. Many teams are sweeping the Portal. Iowa has NEVER recruited two 5-stars and has never signed more than one top player in the Portal. Many teams have done it, and Iowa NEVER has because they DON'T HAVE THE MONEY to do it. Simple as that. And we know Dani came to Iowa because of Coach Barrett and Chit Chat, not because of money. Woliczko didn't come because of money either. Iowa needs more money to have a better team, that's as clear as day. Only those who choose not to see it, preferring to be delusional, can't see it.
 

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The internet is filled with garbage and you simply cannot control what people read. You only hope they have enough common sense to filter through what is correct or not. If they can't, then you probably don't want that athlete.
IDK what to tell you. If you don't think that an active WNBA player with thousands of followers, including many young women, tweeting "Iowa has got to do something about its racist fans" isn't a recruiting problem...you can't be helped.
 
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[If we didn't have Woliczko, we could afford 2 or 3 more "5 star" kids (or near that caliber) as well.]

That's exactly the point. Iowa has the money to get ONE 5-star recruit and ONE top player in the Portal (and that's more money than the vast majority of programs have available), but there are many teams with more money than that, just look at the roster, just look at how much slower things happen in Iowa. Don't tell me Jan is being selective, the money simply is short. Texas recruited FOUR 5-star recruits in the 2026 class, and you still think MAYBE Texas has more money? Sorry, but you're choosing to be delusional. Iowa does have money, but there are MANY teams with more money than Iowa, just look at the rosters. Heiden doesn't get the 1.4M that Audi gets, OBVIOUSLY. Many teams are sweeping the Portal. Iowa has NEVER recruited two 5-stars and has never signed more than one top player in the Portal. Many teams have done it, and Iowa NEVER has because they DON'T HAVE THE MONEY to do it. Simple as that. And we know Dani came to Iowa because of Coach Barrett and Chit Chat, not because of money. Woliczko didn't come because of money either. Iowa needs more money to have a better team, that's as clear as day. Only those who choose not to see it, preferring to be delusional, can't see it.
Except you're making up your mind based on vibes, while I'm basing my conclusions on comments by Skim Milkey and Brad Heinrichs. Before you say Heinrichs could inflate things...in the same interview he admitted that he had failed to bring in enough money to stay competitive in men's basketball. This was right after landing Lucy, so I can't remember his exact words, but I believe he said Iowa was among the top 5 in the nation in WBB. This podcast is still out there i'm sure, if you want to listen to it. He goes in depth about quite a few things, it's interesting to listen to.

Heinrichs is also the one that said some kids (i.e, Morrow) just won't give him the time of day--they don't even pick up the phone for him to give an offer. I don't think you can say those players don't want to go to Iowa because we're not offering enough. They don't even know what we're offering because they're simply ignoring us. Iowa isn't even on the radar as a plausible option regardless of price.

Dani is coming to Iowa because of Lasondra and Chat but you had better believe the only reason we were an *option* is because we could pay her what she's worth. It's crazy to think she is just coming for a feel-good story -- it's still an economic decision.
 

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First of all, I'm not sure you grasp how expensive Dani Carnegie is. She is not just a 5 star player -- and not all 5 star players cost the same. As a first-team All-SEC player she is one of the most expensive players in the country -- ESPN ranks her as the 3rd biggest get in the portal. She could very well be the 3rd most expensive player in the portal as well. She likely costs as much as 3 (maybe 4) typical 5 star players. Being a 5 star player does not mean you automatically command as much money as you want.

Most programs could not afford Carnegie -- because she costs as much as 3 or 4 other players. Same with Woliczko -- few players command as much money as she does as a freshman but Jan thinks she is worth it. In contrast, Addie Deal is commanding no more than 1/3 of what Woliczko commands -- her 5 star rating isn't doing much for her. There are plenty of 5 star players out there who didn't live up to their ranking and they're not getting paid as much as they want. That's why they're all transferring--but like Deal, many will learn that your performance on the court commands portal money, not your HS ranking. Kaelynn Carroll, recent name that popped up in Hawkeye recruiting circles, is another example -- she was ranked in the Top 15 by ESPN, was barely a blip for KY this season. She'll be lucky to get $250k at this point. That's why she was recently linked with Iowa -- Iowa had gotten to the point where we're not spending anymore than that on any players, and so they got talking.

You're likely also underestimating how much Jan is paying Heiden. Heiden would probably command almost as much as Audi Crooks if she entered the portal because athletic centers are hard to come by. She should be getting paid at least as much as Woliczko, in my estimation. My guess is Jan is also compensating Chat very well. Woliczko, Heiden, Carnegie and Chat -- 4 of our players -- likely command at least $2 million per season. In contrast, Iowa State only has $1 million and change to work with total.

Your numbers seem high IMO. I doubt there's one 2 million dollar player on this team let alone 4.

Ava: Since Audi got $1.4 million from OSU, I could see her getting something similar. I highly doubt she's near 2 million.

Carnegie: 2 million seems a little high in my opinion but she's one of the best players that entered the portal and I could certainly see Jan overpaying a proven Guard after how this season ended.

Chit-Chat: She's great but if Iowa is paying 2 million dollars or anything close to that for a 5'5 3rd Team/HM All conference point guard then that's a giant problem.

Woliczko: Aliyah Chavez was the #1 recruit last year and reportedly got a $1.5 million NIL deal. I could see Iowa paying something in that range. I'd be surprised if it's 2 million.
 

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Your numbers seem high IMO. I doubt there's one 2 million dollar player on this team let alone 4.

Ava: Since Audi got $1.4 million from OSU, I could see her getting something similar. I highly doubt she's near 2 million.

Carnegie: 2 million seems a little high in my opinion but she's one of the best players that entered the portal and I could certainly see Jan overpaying a proven Guard after how this season ended.

Chit-Chat: She's great but if Iowa is paying 2 million dollars or anything close to that for a 5'5 3rd Team/HM All conference point guard then that's a giant problem.

Woliczko: Aliyah Chavez was the #1 recruit last year and reportedly got a $1.5 million NIL deal. I could see Iowa paying something in that range. I'd be surprised if it's 2 million.
Sorry for any confusion. I'm saying Ava, Dani, Chat, Woliczko are getting at least $2 million COMBINED, not individually. This is per year btw.
 

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I think Iowa does an excellent job of taking under radar players like Chit Chat and Ava Heiden and developing them to the next level. That's what you need to do when you don't have a lot of money available for to get one top recruit class. And Iowa is good at that. And I love the team that's being put together, but I wish Iowa had more money so the job would be easier, because it seems like we're always struggling with a short blanket, and I think Iowa had every opportunity to be a program with money to spare, but obviously it isn't. Even so, I really like the team we're putting together, and with one or two more special pieces we have a chance to reach the Elite Eight.
 

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IDK what to tell you. If you don't think that an active WNBA player with thousands of followers, including many young women, tweeting "Iowa has got to do something about its racist fans" isn't a recruiting problem...you can't be helped.
All you have to do is read other tweets by the same people to realize real fast who the racists fans really are....