A 7 million a year for 10 years from 2022 to 2031 with incentives is a lot of money he was making, so he
asked for a raise in his 3rd year ? Facing a Beaver Stadium project, and NIL was just bad timing.
2027 Recruiting Thread
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asked for a raise in his 3rd year ? Facing a Beaver Stadium project, and NIL was just bad timing.
At the present moment you can pay a 5 star to play as or freshman or sit, if a varsity player sits it's portal time,
if a 5 star sits he getting paid for basically nothing and could turn our worse than the player ahead of him.
This is a very risky strategy for teams, it may hurt a lot of the so called blue bloods, or the wannabe's.
Could be chicken or egg. Is it a plan or lack of funds? If it's a plan, then we can anticipate shopping for proven game changers in the portal. If PSU is underfunded, they will continue to look for players to fill gaps.
As will virtually every 3 star committed to PSU, according to the experts here.
No one has demonized Campbell. He seems like a decent guy. I actually feel sorry for the position Kraft has put him in.
Kraft is to blame for establishing the myth that PSU has elite NIL resources. He is invested in this because of his stadium upgrade blunder. He was warned, but being the smartest guy in the room, he forged ahead.
Marshall,you should not end your sentences with preps.
Admittedly a small sample. But honest folks will remember that recruiting was similar to what Campbell is achieving (in the NIL era). Last year at this time Franklin was being criticized for losing out on blue chips like Wafle and O'Brien. Experts here created the myth that he wouldn't spend on high school talent (over the current roster). Now, it's become Campbell's
"Philosophy." In both cases, the reality is that PSU simply doesn't have the funds.
Haha. I think this recruitment was more of a contest between SMU and PSU. UT has the #1 CB and the #5 CB committed.So, I guess PSU threw a "bag of money" at him?
Oops. I guess that will upset the BWICAC.
What happened to elite level resources?
Penn State Pitches 'Elite' Resources in Search for New Football Coach
It's almost like this program pays between the 12-20 range in this era regardless of the HC, but has SOME fans that think every kid should be so lucky to come to PSU for less money if offered more elsewhere or if they live locally. Watching the same folks pout on this site is a favorite past time now.....just grown men crying over nothing they can control.
It's no longer recruiting under NIL. It's the equivalent of having 10 or so job offers and deciding which one has the best benefit$ in the area you like the most. It was always that way to an extent, but a great deal of it was under the table and certain schools thrived. Now with it above board the same schools still tend to have more $$$ to throw around....and are willing to do it. I'm honestly baffled by the confusion that still exists....PSU isn't paying for top 5 classes....it's really that simple.
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So the logical question is....if you are spending 12-20 shouldn't fans lower their expectations? We've all seen estimates placing PSU NIL as 20-22 and 6th in the Big Ten.
How did PSU fall behind Indiana? LOL
Fans expectations don't win or lose a game, but you can keep carrying on everyday like you have been like you're some moral authority on anything. Every program in the nation was behind IU last year...and most were the year before too. I'm not sure you understand what you're trying to flex as that was a dud....LOL. So this year we can expect Vandy to win a MNC? Northwestern....moving forward Bama, tOSU, UGA.....all are sunk because IU won it last year....got it.
Most got you were upset and in mourning.........for JF being fired, but you don't even stand on a hill anymore. You just want to cry foul because a HC got fired in a year he was ranked 2nd in the nation and lost to some awful teams and fell on his face in spectacular fashion. He made the decision to throw more money at depth instead of possibly pushing harder in the portal or with recruits. It was his call and it didn't work....oh well.
JF is still a good HC, good person IMO, but I root for PSU....he's gone. MC hasn't coached a game and now all of a sudden stars do matter to you.....when for YEARS you were about trusting the coach......you're a hypocrite. I have time...I'll see what MC does. I have zero ill will for JF....but he's gone so at some you point you will move on from being a scorned lover fanboy of his....hopefully. Grown men who are fanboys over coaches are odd people to me.
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Indiana has mark Cuban providing big NIL $. That's the reality. HCMC is dealing with hand he was dealt and is doing well. Unless or until PSU has more NIL resources I'm OK with the current process and look forward to the 2026 season. I have no idea what happens beyond this season.
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I would actually like to know how some of the critical posters here would manage our $30 million payroll in college football. What are you allocating toward new recruits, what are you allocating toward retention for next year, and what do have in the bank for the portal? For simplicity’s sake, assume (I think this is pretty close to reality) the top PSU retentions were $750k-$1mill, there is an ISU discount but still the non-qb starters are likely in a range of $250k-$1m, and Becht is in the range of $2-$3M. Would you build a 2027 roster with more than 20-25% of total payroll for the 2027 class?
My 2 cents...Franklin's best asset was his ability to recruit. His biggest weakness was game prep and gameday decisions. Far too often we had a roster that gave us a chance to win "The Big Game" only to come up short.
Insert Campbell, who is thought to be better at game prep and gameday decisions but he's never been able to recruit the level of talent that Franklin was able to recruit. However, now that Campbell is at PSU he is recruiting at the same level as Franklin did at PSU and is now at VaTech. Look at VaTech's class and it's almost the same as PSU's.
(Recruiting) Campbell = Franklin
(Gameday) Campbell > Franklin
Of course we'll have to wait for the season to see how Campbell manages this roster but this is the perception. After Campbell was hired the only negative surrounding Campbell was whether or not he could recruit the kind of talent that could make PSU competitive in the B1G and Nationally. Early results show he can and is. Now let's wait to see if he's the upgrade we think he is on the sidelines. WE ARE!
Insert Campbell, who is thought to be better at game prep and gameday decisions but he's never been able to recruit the level of talent that Franklin was able to recruit. However, now that Campbell is at PSU he is recruiting at the same level as Franklin did at PSU and is now at VaTech. Look at VaTech's class and it's almost the same as PSU's.
(Recruiting) Campbell = Franklin
(Gameday) Campbell > Franklin
Of course we'll have to wait for the season to see how Campbell manages this roster but this is the perception. After Campbell was hired the only negative surrounding Campbell was whether or not he could recruit the kind of talent that could make PSU competitive in the B1G and Nationally. Early results show he can and is. Now let's wait to see if he's the upgrade we think he is on the sidelines. WE ARE!
Your plan goes down the toilet when you admit 3* and 4* players also sit and sit at a higher level.
The goal went from.beatung Ohio state to reducing risk. The risk was not even reduced. Risk is higher but at a lower price.
I don't know the teams payroll so I am not guessing a budget.
I would cut the size of the roster. I see no need to have as many developmental players when the team can go out and sign starters. I also would not give players as long to develop when they are getting paid. They need to produce or at least show they can produce or i would cut them.
Reminds me of an old joke. A young lady from Texas takes her seat next to a sophisticated woman from NY. She says "Where y'all from?". The NY woman responds sharply "I'm from a place where we know better than to end a sentence with a preposition". The Texas lady pauses for a minute then responds "Where y'all from B**CH?"
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I think most people realize that we don't have the money to buy a top 5 class. We were just hoping we could buy a top 10-15 class.
Thus far (and this is really just his first real year - can't fairly consider 2025 class to be "his"), Campbell's recruiting (of HS kids) isn't even close to FHCJF's track record.
Whether it matters much or not is up to debate (or to "time will tell")
Wasn't this the year PSU ICA was supposed to be able to offer giant piles of money?
Among other things, this is the season when there was supposed to be all that money from Adidas (and others).
Those deals that were (quoting PSU ICA):
"... unlike anything else in the marketplace..."
"... unprecedented commitment to Penn State: delivering record investment in our department, groundbreaking NIL and marketing opportunities..."
".... sets a new industry standard..."
????
How quickly one forgets.
Oops? Were you mislead?
Why do you guys go on and on about Indiana outspending PSU in a recruiting thread? Have you looked at Indiana's HS recruiting. IT stinks. IT stunk last year. So far this year, one 4 star not rated in the top 250. About every recruit we have been in with that had Indiana on his final list. Canceled his OV to Indiana. It is obvious IU is not going to spend NIL on HS recruits. Now, transfer portal. Thats a different beast. IU is going to build that way.
So the question that needs answered before we make any determination on how PSU is spending its NIL. "How much are we going to spend on the transfer portal?" PSU lands two or three immediate contributors out of the portal this spring. They are probably in a pocket they need to be in. Solid recruiting class, probably around number 15, supplemented by a couple of plug and play guys that are established. That will get you a top 5/10 team in a lot of years, and it should get you in the hunt without spending a lot of wasted money that so many of you want PSU to spend, and I believe, so many of these schools are wasting money. For every one big shot superstud HS recruit that a team spends good money on, probably three or four are a waste of money. This includes that some will transfer for more money elsewhere once in school.
People were on here crying that we didn't spend the NIL to keep Chaz Coleman 6 months ago. Hows that looking now?
So the question that needs answered before we make any determination on how PSU is spending its NIL. "How much are we going to spend on the transfer portal?" PSU lands two or three immediate contributors out of the portal this spring. They are probably in a pocket they need to be in. Solid recruiting class, probably around number 15, supplemented by a couple of plug and play guys that are established. That will get you a top 5/10 team in a lot of years, and it should get you in the hunt without spending a lot of wasted money that so many of you want PSU to spend, and I believe, so many of these schools are wasting money. For every one big shot superstud HS recruit that a team spends good money on, probably three or four are a waste of money. This includes that some will transfer for more money elsewhere once in school.
People were on here crying that we didn't spend the NIL to keep Chaz Coleman 6 months ago. Hows that looking now?
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And you get 6 months to make that happen? Ok, that tracks for some on this site. I didn’t realize 1/2 a year means perpetual trending.
I said 5 star, 5 star players get 5 star money. Look at Olesh last year, sat all year with mega bucks thrown at him
now he's at Oregon, and they probably had to pay him handsomely. He hasn't played a down yet, my point.
Good questions. Last year I saw articles claiming PSU was 12th in NIL money but this year I see articles with us out of the top 20.
The Addidas deal doesn't take effect until July 1st but I have to assume we know what money is coming that would be able to tell prospective recruits about. Some say that all big schools have this kind of deal but I have to believe PSU's deal is top 15.
“We are excited to partner with Penn State to equip all 800-plus Nittany Lion student-athletes with top-of-the-line products and industry-leading NIL opportunities. They'll join adidas' robust roster of athlete partners, including Penn State alums Micah Parsons and Abdul Carter, who've seen firsthand our commitment to realizing their aspirations both on and off the field,” said Chris McGuire, adidas Vice President of Sports Marketing, North America.
Doubt that we'll ever see terms of Penn State's deal with Adidas ( were terms and amounts of the contracts with Nike ever disclosed?). That said, two things I expect:
1. a large portion of the value of the contract will be in-kind, not cash; and
2. Adidas will resist dispensing large amounts of cash for players who won't advance their brand.
I never said anything like that. To the contrary I said that coaches start building their relationships with high school players when they are sophomores and that Campbell has limited connections in our traditional recruiting areas. I also talked about how our class fell apart during the long time between Franklin's firing and Campbell being hired.
This says Indiana has $38m vs $30m for PSU. I agree that Indiana's recruiting so far this year is unimpressive.
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Doing that could jeopardize practice (less players = more wear & tear for others in practice) and development of those who might need an extra year to be ready for PT..
Yeah, those were odd statements. So, where is this large amount of money? Placed into stadium fund? Need some transparency from Kraft and Nelli.
It will be interesting to see what model, hs recruiting or portaling in experience, works long-term for fbs. Indiana clearly will stick to the portal model for now. I think we are currently in the mode of dabbling in both models by necessity of our “unique” coaching search process. I think that perhaps other schools are quietly pivoting to the portal model - Alabama and Tenn both have very small classes right now as well. We will see if that is deliberate to splurge on the portal or if there is something else happening there.
As I've already stated, I'm OK with HCMC's process and agree that in the current recruiting climate I'd rather see the major $ spent for retention of the deserving/proven returning players who accept the culture and portal players who can start.
I thought someone posted a tweet on here somewhere where Cignetti responded to the idea of 30 million dollar rosters and said that he was not even close to that amount. He will likely be back in the playoff this year again.
So, would I count you among those who believes that $$ exists?
But it is just in some "location unknown", due to not having "transparency"?
Do I interpret that correctly? (FWIW: That would be a massive assumption, with no clear evidence to support it)
Olesh still has 4 years. Oregon wanted him for a reason.
Most of 3 and 4 star players didn't play a down either. You didn't reduce risk. You cut price and reduced talent.
Guertin has not played a down either and cost big money.
How much do you think manske is getting paid?
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Agreed.
I think it would be safe to add, additionally, that it is HIGHLY unlikely (IMO) - once you account for ALL of the ingredients in the pot - that the overall value to PSU (even in terms of pure $) would be higher with the Adidas deal than with any deal with Nike.
It just wouldn't make sense to be otherwise. (And IF those crying that PSU is "a poor stepchild" relative to its peers wrt available funding are even partially correct, that would be further evidence)
As you say, of course, deals like that have several different components - so the evaluation of one vs the other isn't a simple "is X bigger or smaller than Y"
Nike was not paying Penn State big dollars, word is less than the expiring contract. That isn't peculiar to PSU. Nike is doing a major retrenchment of its college operations. What it does say is that Nike doesn't consider PSU to be a marquee property.