Recruiting is a thing of the past??? Why are you here?
Still need to RECRUIT all the players. Now the teams have to recruit the same players every year. Proven transfers will cost more than high school players.
2027 Recruiting Thread
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Recruiting is a thing of the past??? Why are you here?
Still need to RECRUIT all the players. Now the teams have to recruit the same players every year. Proven transfers will cost more than high school players.
So you are saying this years class of Sassic, Rielly, Robbins, Terawallie and whomever else they get is down class. Really, thats one heck of a statement without seeing them ever play a down of college football. Oline is the one place you can recruit a boatload of 3 stars and be fine. Projections on olineman are just all over the place. Donkah was 4th rated olineman in his class in 2023. He blew by the other 3 his freshman year. So much for those boderline 5 star guys in Williams and Birchmeier, what good do that rating do for PSU.
I get that we only brought in two last year, though Campbell brought three redshirt freshman transfers with him, and if all of the sudden if this class has 6 olineman that is a lot of numbers that are young. Will they pan out. I bet a couple of them will. Will they need to portal in some guys. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the portal need to be some other position were everybody flops. You have to trust that the staff will look at the holes and see where the gaps are going to be, but they sure as heck aren't going to do it with guys who have yet to take a single rep in a college practice
Bo Schembechler knew O line recruiting was very tough to predict. He said that he wanted to bring in a lot of O lineman in each class and some would turn out good. I think PSU is fine.
Good points and I hope I look like a fool in a few years. I really do. I hope I eat crow and they all pan out. Time will tell. Donkoh was a four star and the 9th rated player in VA, by the way. Not a big reach or major project by any means.
It is your perogative to do whatever. If you enjoy arguing with uninformed people who gain enjoyment bashing PSU and specifically here Campbell and recruiting then have at it. They are not supporters of the program at the time you need the fan base to come together and support the program. They don't cheer for PSU.
If they had interesting comments that would be one thing but their useless drivel about star ratings and then their 10 years ago mentality that the portal and approaches like Indiana will never work despite it producing a national champion just proves how pathetically ignorant they are.
Was a 3*. Moved up to 4*. 4 offers. VT, Duke, psu and wvu. Probably less impressive offer sheet than any of the current ol commits.
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4 star. Top 10 player in his state. You are correct on the offer list, which was surprising.
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As an elderly man, my sleep habits are erratic. My initial thought every morning is to get to the bathroom. Then, I desperately need a cup of coffee. I generally check the sports scores etc and then Google News. I enjoy Google News because it has a variety of sources on the same topic..... and looking at various slants on what's happening helps me to form my own opinion.
If you are among those who insist that PSU is doing just fine in 6th or 7th place in the conference. Rivals rates Ohio State, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, USC and Miami as recruiting players with an average rating of 93. PSU is at 88.43. Hell, VT is at 88.70!
Again, I think PSU will be fine in 2026. I fail to see any cause for optimism when the 2027 and 28 seasons unfold unless there is a change in trajectory. Sorry that's such a polarizing viewpoint. LOL
I don’t remember Donkoh’s situation, but overall star rating does not finalize until December. Our own current commits can go up and down before then. Donkoh could have been a late riser with a great senior year in hs.
Seems like a lot guys have their star rating improve but it doesn’t seem like have them drop. Am I wrong about this?
Some go up and some go down. More go up because the ratings services increase the number of 4s and 5s along the way. I think martin was originally a 5*.
I'm old too, my friend. So I empathize with your eractic sleep habits. You make a good argument for not being optimistic for '27 and '28. But I'm not an expert and not even as knowledgeable as you seem about recruiting etc. So, from my perspective, and as an eternal optimist, I will give Matt Campbell and his staff some latitude until I see the results on the field. In my heart, I do believe he knows what he is doing and has a plan. Even if it doesn't seem obvious. I really do like his philosophy of developing players. I remember an old ball coach who loved to teach the game. I am hoping Matt can duplicate the same success. I remain optimistic.
Like I said the recruiting services expand the number of 4s and 5s which creates more upward movement but there are downs.
I think Devyn ford, Ricky Slade, Shane Simmons, sterling Jenkins, and Lamont wade were early 5s.
I remember a poster on this board that said their kid played against Sterling Jenkins in HS and this is while he was being recruited. The guy was going on about in no way is Jenkins a division one player and that he wasn't even the best lineman on his own team. Said his kid felt better lining up against Jenkins than some kid on the other side of the line that was just way better, and had zero offers.
Turns out the guy knew what he was talking about. Lineman are a real crapshoot, I've never paid a lot of attention to the star ranking on them. They miss a lot and low level kids often become the guys that get drafted. There is a lot of projection involved. More than about any other postion not called QB. The one thing I will say about the lineman Campbell is bringing in. There is no Jenkins projection. Look at the videos of these kids. They are just mean football players. Based on the videos, I'd say boderline dirty football players. They are burying kids often away from the play and in cases times that would have to be close to after the whistle.
Nastiness best trait for OL. Could go on and on about hits and misses, but just look at last year. Where was Vega out of HS compared to Birchmeier and Williams? One just drafted in first round, the others now at Liberty and Charlotte. What?? Stargazers are funny.
Really deep question. You really want me to try to explain all of that? I don't think so.
Anyway, yeah...as it was, a thing of the past. New 'recruiting' (if you insist on using outdated concepts) has much more to do with the size of the 'bag' a 17 YO (and his family) wants. You really think these guys or their families are impressed with Patee or whatever these days? How about the quality of the education? Uh huh.
Nah, for the higher ranked HS players it's cold, hard cash now. Recruiting was a part of college football. College football as we all knew it is gone.
First off, let me say that I generally appreciate your comments and agree with a lot of what you say - specifically re: the fickleness of fans, etc. There's no doubt that for most fans what determines whether or not going for it on 4th down was a good or bad call depends almost solely on whether or not the team picked up the first down, etc. etc.
But lately it seems the general gist of a lot of what you're saying is either the coach has no impact on the outcome of games because there's no such thing as actually "coaching kids up" or game day coaching, etc., or all the coaches are so good that they basically cancel each other out - and everything just comes down to the talent of the 11 guys on the field which is almost entirely determined by there high school recruiting star ratings and the overall NIL spend of the team. Is this what you're actually saying?
I have to believe certain coaches have better personalities for recruiting - higher EQs to connect with players/families, salesmen, etc. And some coaches are likely better at seeing past the star ratings to predict which kids can actually play football, fit into positions of need, have the right attitudes to enhance the culture of the team, etc. And some coaches must be better than others at putting together the optimal staffs, putting kids in the best positions, doing the best pre-game preparations, etc. And some rare coaches might even be better at in-game adjustments, play-calling strategies, etc. no? Wasn't Paterno amazing coming off of bye weeks and in bowl games because ostensibly he was better than other coaches at breaking down an opponents weaknesses and coming up with ways to exploit them?
If the coach doesn't actually have any real influence on the wins and losses, why are the best ones paid 8-figure salaries while others are stuck in division III?
According to Rivals. PSU's average recruit is rated 88.6 . Ohio State's average recruit is rated 93. Will Ohio State's coaching staff go fishing for the next 3 years or will they, like PSU be "coaching their players up?"
All things equal, talent wins. Others can put their money on the exceptions to the rule. Ohio State beats PSU because they have a receiver no one can cover and a Dlineman or LB that we can't block (usually more than one actually). Speaking of "the standard." The standard for PSU is it's record over the past 30 years. You are what your record says you are.
Until PSU attracts playmakers, they will struggle vs the Oregons and Ohio States.
You omitted YOUR previous point about recruits picking their personal choice of the 3-4 highest bidders. Personal choice = the best recruiter.