2018 Nike Hoop Summit
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RJ is real solid. He has a business like approach in his game. Tre is a good distributor. Commentators were comparing Tre to Tyus, they said Tre is more athletic and the better distributor, but Tyus is the better shooter and passer.
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Would you rather be a better distributor or a better passer? 
Just started watching...trying to stay awake. I have two kids who have practice and games every night it seems so I’m beat. Weekends aren’t even a chance to rest but that’s the life of ballers.
Are Jay Barrett!
I've been following Duke since 1999 and I haven't been more anxious to see a kid play for Duke than this kid! He's going to be an NBA Hall of Famer! Wow is that kid good!
I've been following Duke since 1999 and I haven't been more anxious to see a kid play for Duke than this kid! He's going to be an NBA Hall of Famer! Wow is that kid good!
Tre is a legit old school floor general, who needs to tighten up his jumper. Reminds of Chris Paul, because he plays both ends of the floor. RJ is the alpha dog of this class. And it's not even close. He does everything so smooth and makes it look easy. From his drives, his passes, his decision making, he does everything with minimal effort. Cam needs to be more selfish, get the ball and score it. He just need to be more aggressive.
RJ is a winning machine. Finished with 21 points 9 rebounds 6 assists and 5 steals.
I hope our guys can play with the Golden State Warriors Mentality this upcoming season. Not care who scores for the greater good of the team.
After this game, unlike the past 2 years my preseason expectations are going to be tempered. Lack of outside shooting is going to make it tough.
I'm really curious if Coach will consider making RJ a captain.
I'm really curious if Coach will consider making RJ a captain.
I don't think anyone would have any objections to that! K loves warriors and this kid is a warrior times 10.
That’s a issue duke fans will have to get used too. Lives and die via jumper and has a low motor., very talented
Well, in three all star games the most concerning player to me is Cam Reddish. I've seen glimpses, but far too much inconsistency. More on Monday.
Man, from some of the stuff I'm reading, he shouldn't be in the top 25. I know he's inconsistent, but is it that bad?
Oh boy can't wait to hear your analysis Monday
Cam Reddish has also been playing hobbled, it's obvious he isn't 100%. He's a pure scorer, he will be fine.
It's a fact though that he will drive people on this board crazy, because he does look sometimes like he isn't even trying, but that's just how he moves. K will coach him up, I'm not worried at all, this guy is gonna have multiple 30 point games for us.
It's a fact though that he will drive people on this board crazy, because he does look sometimes like he isn't even trying, but that's just how he moves. K will coach him up, I'm not worried at all, this guy is gonna have multiple 30 point games for us.
That is spot on. Just add a "w" ha. If Cam struggles with intensity/consistency the coaches can bring him off the bench for a game or two. I know people are going to say this will never happen, but it may. We can always plug in AOC or White/Javin. Cam may be one of those guys who takes some time to figure it out, but should be a stud by season's end.
No it’s not a injury issues. Scouts have had the same issue with him for years. His skill level is undeniable but his motor and how he disappears when his shot isn’t falling has been a concern. For some fans a player must be injuries over having issues with their game
It's already happening except it was O'Connell for Zion. But cam makes more sense
The shooting is worse than I thought it would be so far. RJ probably has Tatum level ability. Maybe a little more athletic, a little better ball handler, but not nearly the perimeter shooting ability.
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In Cam, so far, I've seen Battier level ability. And I mean frosh Battier, not soph or older Battier. Which is fine. But Frosh Battier was the 5th or 6th best player on that team (we were in the same class, so I remember him well). And, sure, teams today aren't as good as they were then. But we are asking a Battier level player to lead us to a national title. CR has more upside than Battier, but Battier's effort, hustle, and IQ, even as a frosh, were unparalleled. Further, the talent on Duke's team that year, and the next year, meant that Battier didn't have to lead as a scorer, but was able to do other things that contributed, greatly, to Duke winning. Battier didn't really become a statistical leader until his junior year.
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And I think Cam has a lot of that. There is great size, athleticism, skill, and IQ. But the shooting isn't there yet, and certainly not the hustle. The biggest problem is that we need CR to be a lead scoring option next year. Obviously, RJ will be number 1, but we legit need CR to be a very good scorer immediately.
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TJ looks great on D. But the shooting is problematic as well. Our frosh simply have to shoot north of 35% on a decent number of 3 point shots. If we can't get 5 out of 14 from them, as a group, we are in trouble. Real, serious, trouble. All 4 of our frosh are great at going down hill and attacking the basket. But if we can't make 3s, they'll pack the paint on us and dare us to shoot threes while restricting all driving possibilities.
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They are good, but not overwhelming. That said, I don't want to fall into the trap I'm always whining about, by only thinking about offense. We have the potential, to be elite on D, by March. All we need is a little rim protection.
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And, at the end of the day, we might have 3 guys that are all but unstoppable in hero ball. If we can make a bare minimum of threes, and protect the rim, that might be enough. The really good teams next year look like KU, UK, and Duke. I'm still not sure how UK's parts fit together, and KU might not be eligible for the tourney. Or at least, so tainted that the wheels fall off. Then, it is us.
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But the margin for error is far thinner than I previously thought.
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In Cam, so far, I've seen Battier level ability. And I mean frosh Battier, not soph or older Battier. Which is fine. But Frosh Battier was the 5th or 6th best player on that team (we were in the same class, so I remember him well). And, sure, teams today aren't as good as they were then. But we are asking a Battier level player to lead us to a national title. CR has more upside than Battier, but Battier's effort, hustle, and IQ, even as a frosh, were unparalleled. Further, the talent on Duke's team that year, and the next year, meant that Battier didn't have to lead as a scorer, but was able to do other things that contributed, greatly, to Duke winning. Battier didn't really become a statistical leader until his junior year.
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And I think Cam has a lot of that. There is great size, athleticism, skill, and IQ. But the shooting isn't there yet, and certainly not the hustle. The biggest problem is that we need CR to be a lead scoring option next year. Obviously, RJ will be number 1, but we legit need CR to be a very good scorer immediately.
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TJ looks great on D. But the shooting is problematic as well. Our frosh simply have to shoot north of 35% on a decent number of 3 point shots. If we can't get 5 out of 14 from them, as a group, we are in trouble. Real, serious, trouble. All 4 of our frosh are great at going down hill and attacking the basket. But if we can't make 3s, they'll pack the paint on us and dare us to shoot threes while restricting all driving possibilities.
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They are good, but not overwhelming. That said, I don't want to fall into the trap I'm always whining about, by only thinking about offense. We have the potential, to be elite on D, by March. All we need is a little rim protection.
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And, at the end of the day, we might have 3 guys that are all but unstoppable in hero ball. If we can make a bare minimum of threes, and protect the rim, that might be enough. The really good teams next year look like KU, UK, and Duke. I'm still not sure how UK's parts fit together, and KU might not be eligible for the tourney. Or at least, so tainted that the wheels fall off. Then, it is us.
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But the margin for error is far thinner than I previously thought.
Put down the razor blade, as there is no reason to slash those wrists yet. We will be fine. None of these kids have graduated high school or gone through one practice at Duke with Coach K and staff. Come back in December or January and start freaking out then if there looking bad.
I'm honestly glad we're having a bit of gloom and doom about next season, and some of it is probably justified and some probably not. I do think that shooting is incredibly important in the game today and we're swimming against that tide with this class (and last year's to a lesser extent).
I remain perplexed that top 10 players can't shoot the 3 by the time they get to college. Do they not practice it? Or is asking these guys to shoot like Kennard as unrealistic as asking him to be much more athletic?
I'd wager that for the first time in a long while, our Kenpom D is going to be better than our O. And amusingly, UK of all teams will probably be the opposite, with all the shooters they may have.
I remain perplexed that top 10 players can't shoot the 3 by the time they get to college. Do they not practice it? Or is asking these guys to shoot like Kennard as unrealistic as asking him to be much more athletic?
I'd wager that for the first time in a long while, our Kenpom D is going to be better than our O. And amusingly, UK of all teams will probably be the opposite, with all the shooters they may have.
A lot of them cant shoot a free throw,let alone a 3 pointer.
Remember how bad of a shooter Kennard was as a freshman though? You never know what will happen
er no I dont....he seemed to be pretty good as i recall.....
Led Duke with an .889 free throw percentage, tied for the third-best in program history by a freshman
• For the season, ranked seventh among ACC freshmen in scoring (11.8)
• Averaged 10.3 points, 7.3 rebounds and 1.7 steals in Duke's three NCAA Tournament games
• Led Duke in scoring four times, assists four times and rebounds twice; had one double-double on the year
• Tallied double-figure points 21 times, including seven games with 20-plus points and one 30-point performance
• Had three 20-point games off the bench, the most ever by a Duke freshman
• Made 55 three-pointers to rank seventh on Duke's freshman chart and tied Duke's freshman record for threes in a game with six against NC State (2/6)
Kennard was still a really good shooter, he just slumped that season. His reputation all along was as a shooter.
88% free throw and 32% from 3?
Nope he wasn't 1 and done AWFUL
Those stats are cute and all but he came in as a knockdown shooter. 32% isn’t good. He was more of himself the next year. It proves my point that just because you’re known as a shooter that doesn’t automatically mean you will show it. Or vice versa
32% from 3 isn’t good. Grayson shot better than that this year and we can agree it wasn’t a good shooting year.
Exactly my point. He’s known as a shooter but he underachieved as a shooter that year. Ball just didn’t fall through. These freshmen aren’t known as shooters but one or two of them can shock us and shoot 40+%. You never know.
My point is that shooters are still shooters, though. Even though Luke struggled that season we all know he was a good shooter and most of us here were comfortable with him shooting from deep. The same can't be said, for say, a Trevon Duval.