2017: Low Expectations
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IMO.. YES!! Not one for moral victories.. But there's a huge difference in feeling between losing 45,59,78-0... and losing 24-21.. 31-21... 28-27.... Worst case scenario...Even if we go 2-10 again this year.. But say we lose to OSU...44-21.. Mich.. 48-24... Penn St...31-17... Mich St... 21-13....Indiana 17-14.. Illinois... 14-10... Wash.. 28-14... Purdue...34-27...and MD...27-20... would you say that this team sucks still? or would u feel that the close losses can be a springboard for 2018?
You could have a Hall of Fame coaching staff, and as good as they are, you wont win consistently without good players. It doesn't matter if recruits come from Montana or NJ, but if you want to be competitive with a PSU, Nebraska, MSU etc. you need to win your fair share of recruits that are being recruited by the schools you want to compete with.
If we have something better than the worst offense in the FBS, then this year will be so much better. Gotta fix what's broke first, and our offense could have improved just by punting on first down.
Every time I read a post like this I can't help but think about my old high school coach when he was talking about the team my senior year. He always said "we weren't very big but we sure were slow". Ha
We win two games and lose all those other close games, I'd say our HC is in over his head. I'm on the fence at the moment. Not because I don't think he can get it done here, but because nothing he did last year impressed me. But he talked a big game.
I think, it's hard to say without living through it, that I'd be OK with tangible improvement on the field, even without more wins. Though it would be hard to have another year of not picking up any conference wins. It might depend on how that translates to interest from recruits. Right now we seem to be picking up no interest from anyone with other viable options.
Can you please show me where he "talked a big game?" As you call it. .. The guy said that this was a total rebuild...that takes time... Everything about the program has been totally upgraded.. The culture is totally different..for the better... The onfield results will come...But one must first learn to crawl before one can walk... Sorry that it doesn't impress you.. But real life isn't an episode of Law & Order...
Rutgers fan remind me of Eagles fans. They think they have an inherent right to play for a title every year and think there is always more talent on the team than there really is. Andy Reid went 4-12 and when Chip went 10-6 and made they playoffs after playing 4 backup QBs they thought they were Super Bowl contenders. Than Chip implodes and Pederson should be making the playoffs year 1 with a rookie QB. Now he has to win a playoff game year two with a second year QB or he should be fired.
Then the ownership gets pressure by the media and makes short term moves trying to win right away when they really have no chance to and it hampers them moving forward. Then they'll fire Pederson and start all over .
Then the ownership gets pressure by the media and makes short term moves trying to win right away when they really have no chance to and it hampers them moving forward. Then they'll fire Pederson and start all over .
If we go that close with Michigan and PSU on the road there is a very strong possibility that we win at home vs. Purdue and Maryland and win one of Indiana/Illinois on the road.
I've always felt that losing is losing, especially in individual sports. In team sports it's different because you could argue that close games is an indication that the product is improving and moving in the right direction. I've always felt that at the beginning of every year 15 or so teams are capable of winning a NC. I believe early rankings have us at 78. Coach Ash has a lot to prove this year and in 2018 we'll know if he's HC material.
You're right. And the sad part is that Terry Shea actually outcoached Chris Ash in his first season here. Amazing that we've reached this lowpoint after all the money that's been donated and invested in the program since Schiano brought us back to respectability.
its worse really, Shea didn't have a 1/3 of the resources and ancillary aid that Ash does.
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last year was what it was, last year, new year, a more experienced staff, qb upngrade, i cant see that happening this year, i look for an upset or two
I think there is only one poster in history of this board that repeats himself as often as you do and then also ask for apologies...lol
And Shea didn't have 8-9 games against the B1G and OOC against a top 10...just saying.
This is the most optimistic post of yours that I have read in quite a while! Are you moderately optimistic about this year?
Shea also didn't have the infrastructure, school support, any semblance of a brand, financial support....I could go on for crying out loud, Chad Bosch was our running back!
I don't want to hear about the Big10, we still played some teams we should have beat so what does that say about how mighty the schedule was last year?
Miami, VTech, Syracuse, West Virginia, and BC were all good during the Shea Error. Played Cal, Texas, Notre Dinero ooc. Hell, even when we played Tulane they finished ranked.
Plus, Miami, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, and even Syracuse were national powerhouses during the Shea years. The schedule difficulty in the late '90s is actually comparable to what we're dealing with now.
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Miami was a national power.
VTech was a notch below.
None of the others were ever national powers.
nonsense.
Miami was a national power.
VTech was a notch below.
None of the others were ever national powers.
Virginia Tech went to the National Championship Game following the 1999 season. They were absolutely a national power at the time.
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and SU was in a bowl 96-97-99
Didn't we have brutal out of conference schedule too?
look, people want to make excuses for him, I won't. He showed us nothing, absolutely nothing. We are stuck with him unfortunately, let's hope he has better control over the assistants this year than last
Shea's first year was 1996, where we went 2-9.
- Played the year-end AP #13 VTech, #14 Miami, #19 Notre Dame, #21 Syracuse, (#26 WVU), (#27 Navy)
- We had 3 shutouts, against Miami, Cuse, and Notre Dame for a total score of 0-137.
- Our wins were over Temple (2-9) and I-AA Villanova.
- Overall, we were outscored 380-143 (avg. 38-14)
Ash's first year, we went 2-10
- Played the year-end AP #4 Washington, #6 OSU, #7 PA St, #10 Michigan, (#33 Iowa), (#34 Minnesota)
- We had 4 shutouts, against Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State for a total score of 0-224.
- Our wins were over New Mexico (9-4) and FCS Howard.
- Overall, we were outscored 436-136 (39.6-12.4)
Why were we a 30 pt dog AT HOME to Syr in '99 if they weren't a power ? I know we were bad but c'mon. Miami and VT were comparable to OSU and Michigan. Syr and WV were comparable to PSU (before last year when they broke out) and Michigan State. Boston college, I'll go with Maryland although I think you can make an argument that BC late 90s was better than MD is today.
LOL - last year some folks thought we had a shot to go bowling. Look last year was a 1st year HC, 1st year OC and an O that had issues the previous season competing against top programs in the B1G. to further complicate matters switching from a pro style offense to a spread, night and day. It was a heck of a lot to take in, and then you have the overriding issue of like 5 OCs in 5 years. So I like the fact we have a OC coming in with extensive and successful HC background, I really like Kill. Should we expect miracles this season - I'm not. Should our expectations be very high about bowling this year - NO if you want to be realistic.
I think a better question is - what would you consider a successful season knowing most of the talent is in the form of underclassmen. I wouldn't chalk up Ls for anything on the schedule just yet however this team may need a heck of a lot of help getting Ws this season. But hey no need to spoil an April day with showers. I want to wait until summer camp to see what we really have and then consider realistic goals.
I think a better question is - what would you consider a successful season knowing most of the talent is in the form of underclassmen. I wouldn't chalk up Ls for anything on the schedule just yet however this team may need a heck of a lot of help getting Ws this season. But hey no need to spoil an April day with showers. I want to wait until summer camp to see what we really have and then consider realistic goals.
R U a medical or psychiatric doctor? If you are learn some frigging bedside manner. Not asking you to lie .I am a 50 year fan and am so damned frustrated that it hurts but let hope spring a little bit eternal in the spring ok?
Now, hopefully Ash will see a better 2nd year than Shea did... who saw a definite drop in the strength of schedule, but performed worse overall.
1997 was Shea's second year, and we went 0-11
- Played the year-end AP #21 Syracuse, (#40 VTech)
- We had one shutout, against (7-5) WVU, for a score of 0-48.
- We had no wins, and played just 4 teams with winning records (9-3 Cuse, and three schools that finished 7-5)
- Overall, lwe were outscored 496-185 (45.1-16.8)
1997 was Shea's second year, and we went 0-11
- Played the year-end AP #21 Syracuse, (#40 VTech)
- We had one shutout, against (7-5) WVU, for a score of 0-48.
- We had no wins, and played just 4 teams with winning records (9-3 Cuse, and three schools that finished 7-5)
- Overall, lwe were outscored 496-185 (45.1-16.8)
Hey Dummy... its hypothetical... it was just made up to make a point in a discussion...
I get the on the field comparisons, last year was abysmal, but I just don't get the same feel from Ash as I did Shea. Ash seems like a guy who is methodical, organized, willing to work and willing to make changes. Shea seemed like a guy who was smart and liked football, but really didn't have much interest in doing the hard work.
We'll see though, Ash's first year certainly didn't help with what was already a very difficult job.
I don't really get the comparisons, either... certainly not in the "Shea was better" line of thinking. Even in his "best" third year (5-6), he didn't beat an FBS team with more than 3 wins, and lost badly to a (4-7) BC.
New Mexico is already probably a better win than any of Shea's.