2 questions re: death penalty

[gymdawg.sixpack]

I have a tsun friend that i can handle when theyre down. He somehow becomes rational then. So this guy has a law dad that plays golf with hugh. When the tsun **** hits the fan he often writes me drunk blabbling. I say little, enough to let him spill out some bs. So the other day he tells me that 1. He knows a girl fr om briarcrest that could do some real damage. He wont go there so its blah. But 2 is interesting: he says his dad has heard from insiders that the death penalty may very well be on the table.
My 2 questions....1. Is there a chance?
2. Would tsun be better off than getting 3yrs bowl ban, 50 schollys over 5, fire bjork, and 5 yr probation?

 

[Snog]

Yes there is a chance IF they link up prostitutes for recruits. In fact, if that happens, it's assured.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

After SMU

I think the NCAA declared no more death penalty.

Louisville Basketball had sex for sale...what did they get?

Om will likely get loss of scholarships, and no bowls for whatever period.


Maybe an NCAA rep, will live the new AD...heck who knows.

 

[RocketDawg]

Yes there is a chance IF they link up prostitutes for recruits. In fact, if that happens, it's assured.

But didn't Louisville basketball do the same thing and escape the DP?

 

[Dawgology]

I think the NCAA declared no more death penalty.

Louisville Basketball had sex for sale...what did they get?

Om will likely get loss of scholarships, and no bowls for whatever period.


Maybe an NCAA rep, will live the new AD...heck who knows.

The NCAA never declared that. That was an ex NCAA official that said it's unlikely the DP would ever be handed down again. Not saying that it will happen to UM it's just I keep seeing people say that the NCAA declared the DP would never be used again. That's just not true.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Just working on the info that I have Bud!

 

[13thEagle]

The coffin would be too good to be true so it wont happen.

BUT from down here. Those asshats have taken at least one run at every head coach we have had when we were having some success. Collins, Carmody, Hallman and Bower. My kid was on the training staff in 11. While loading the bus in houston after the cusa championship, Fedora was talking in the open on his cell. Several of the kids heard him say "Tell Archie AGAIN, I'm not joining that circus."

If the death penalty would happen it was deeply satisfying that it took one guy who got his start washing jocks at USM to totally burn that muther 17er to the ground.

 

[missouridawg]

But didn't Louisville basketball do the same thing and escape the DP?

There is a difference in one assistant doing this behind everyone's back without the head coach knowing and an entire coaching staff being complicit up to and including the head coach organizing it.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

But didn't Louisville basketball do the same thing and escape the DP?

Louisville is a major basketball program. OM is a backwater mid-major, with a shitbird fanbase.

DEATH PENALTY, BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[patdog]

It still exists. But Mississippi won't get it. Per Wikipedia:

The death penalty is the popular term for the National Collegiate Athletic Association's power to ban a school from competing in a sport for at least one year. It is the harshest penalty that an NCAA member school can receive.
It has been implemented only five times:

1. The University of Kentucky basketball program for the 1952–53 season.[SUP][1][/SUP]
2. The basketball program at the University of Southwestern Louisiana (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) for the 1973–74 and 1974–75 seasons.
3. The Southern Methodist University football program for the 1987 season.
4. The Division II men's soccer program at Morehouse College for the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
5. The Division III men's tennis program at MacMurray College for the 2005–06 and 2006–07 seasons.

 

[RocketDawg]

True. If the Bears are guilty, it's to a much larger scale than Louisville.

 

[RocketDawg]

You'd think if Archie really wanted Fedora he would call himself instead of having an underling do it. But he joined the UNC circus and they're about to get hit pretty hard.

 

[Snog]

The current case is closed. Which means if info of this comes to light, the NCAA would have to open a third investigation which would open UM up to repeat offender status and the death penalty.

 

[patdog]

They'd still only be repeat offenders for any violations that occurred after their WBB & track programs went on probation last fall. But if a pattern of prostitues for recruits does come to light, with everything else, that may be enough even if they aren't repeat offenders.

 

[HD6]

I think we learned from the Penn State ordeal the NCAA can pretty much do what it wants.

 

[missouridawg]

True. If the Bears are guilty, it's to a much larger scale than Louisville.

Consider also that Louisville found out, acted openly and quickly, without lying or concealing anything. They self imposed a post season ban in a February while they were a top15 team.

In contrast, OM.... well, you know what they did. And if hookers were being called by the head coach, ill venture a guess that maybe someone wasn't as truthful up front as he should've been.

Louisvlle is how you should handle events like this. And they got hammered hard.
OM is how you shouldn't handle things like this and we shall see what a potential NOA #3 and punishments bring.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Yeah, they seriously over stepped their bounds there

and if Penn State had not been so shell shocked, it would have fought it,

which it later did.

 

[HD6]

They would have lost. Notice they ended up not challenging the Freeh report.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

I think we learned from the Penn State ordeal the NCAA can pretty much do what it wants.

State Penn is a traditional national power with a National fan base. olmeess is a backwater, minor mid-major school with a Charlottesville Unite The Right fan-base.

DEATH PENALTY, SHITBIRDS!!!!

 

[drt7891]

The conspiracy theorist inside me thinks this is what OM is trying so desperately to hide. The phone records have been an incredibly sore subject for them, and notice how quickly they fired Freeze after declaring it "a pattern of personal conduct."

I don't have any insider info, but no one seems willing to confirm that the phone call was explicitly for Hugh.

 

[Allday.sixpack]

The SEC network and ESPN revenue has virtually ensured no death penalty is possible because it would make a team default on their contract with opponents and television networks.

In such an extreme case, the SEC would have to replace ole miss with another school to fulfill its contract with ESPN and switch schedules etc...
Too much of a domino effect and collateral consequences.

As much as I'd like to see those bastards shut down, I don't think logistically and legally it could done.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Exactly!

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

They may prefer the Death Penalty so that they can start fresh in Division II and work their way back up. It didn't take South Alabama long to start a program from scratch and defeat a Power 5 program in the 1st game of the season last year.**

 

[Dolphus Raymond]

What Allday said. However, what happens if these phone records open up a whole new can of worms? My guess, since the verdict has yet to be handed down, (and technically they will not be a repeat offender) the NCAA will just tack on some additional penalties at a later date

 

[thekimmer]

I've heard this also and it makes sense....

The SEC network and ESPN revenue has virtually ensured no death penalty is possible because it would make a team default on their contract with opponents and television networks.

In such an extreme case, the SEC would have to replace ole miss with another school to fulfill its contract with ESPN and switch schedules etc...
Too much of a domino effect and collateral consequences.

As much as I'd like to see those bastards shut down, I don't think logistically and legally it could done.

Shutting a program down for a year is too much of a hardship on their opponents and fellow conference members. What they should do is come up with an operational 'death penalty'. That is take the shut down option off the table but increase penalties such that essentially results in the same long term effect.

 

[patdog]

This is not true at all. The NCAA could definitely give out another death penalty if they wanted to. It wouldn't be a default on the TV contracts. There'd just be a few less games on the SECN. That said, the death penalty is NOT on the table for Mississippi. It would have to be an even more extreme case than this one is , or a repeat offender with serious violations after the first probation came down, to even consider it.

 

[Drebin]

The SEC network and ESPN revenue has virtually ensured no death penalty is possible because it would make a team default on their contract with opponents and television networks.

In such an extreme case, the SEC would have to replace ole miss with another school to fulfill its contract with ESPN and switch schedules etc...
Too much of a domino effect and collateral consequences.

As much as I'd like to see those bastards shut down, I don't think logistically and legally it could done.

Shutting them down for two years and then letting them start over is too easy on them. I want them to be in the stone ages for 10 years...which is what they have earned and what they deserve.