2 Pt Conversions

[Ironman39]

I see the average in D1 football is 40-50%. Can someone please look up two point conversions during the Ferentz era? I'd have to think it's 10% or worse.

And if AI is so wonderful, I'm not sure why it can't answer this question, because it can't.

I probably could've dug deeper to make this an easier search, but here is what I found. The archived stats site only had 2 pt tries made, so I had to compare TDs to XPAs made to get the 2 pt attempts totals. Fun fact, I also included the total touchdowns scored each year dating back to 2008, just for a little insight on the ups and downs of our floundering offense:

Year- 2PM/2PA....TDs

2025- 0/2....24
2024- 0/3....43
2023- 1/2....22
2022- 0/0....25
2021- 0/0....36
2020- 3/4....30
2019- 0/4....36
2018- 0/2....50
2017- 0/4....48
2016- 1/3....42
Total- 5/24 (.208)

2015- 0/1....56
2014- 1/2....47
2013- 0/0....42
2012- 0/1....26
2011- 1/1....45
2010- 0/1....47
Total- 2/6 (.333)

2009- 0/2....35
2008- 1/1....48
Total- 1/3 (.333)

Overall- 7/30 (8/33) (.233/.242)


I will say, first off, that I don't know that these stats are 100% accurate. It's just based on what was available on the archive website. For some reason I thought we had gone for 2 at least once this year prior to last night?..........

Otherwise, if these numbers are accurate, we are 5/24 over the past 10 years (including the current season), good for 20.8% conversion rate, which I do believe is....*checks notes*....yeah, it's not good.

Interesting to see the touchdown totals though over the given years correlating with either bad offenses/bad seasons or various circumstances.

 

[3-D_chess]

Here's what we all know but are refraining from saying.

KF considers anything other than off-tackle right and off-tackle left to be a "gimmick" play. He hates fake punts/FGs. Which is why he has been burned so many times from opposing teams. His brain explodes even thinking his rivals might have a different approach to the game than he has.
His version of an "exotic" is trying to pull them off-sides with a hard count. So when it comes time to do something that requires trickeration, it succeeds as often as Oprah's weight-loss diet.

Does he deserve praise for creating teams that master the fundamentals? Yes, his career is built on it.
But truly great coaches do that, AND THEY ALSO are creative in their schemes and strategies. They don't play to the level of their opponent. These coaches understand that sports is muscle and mind-fuhcking in nearly equal proportions.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

Analytics say to go for two down 5 in the third quarter. If made, a field goal is a safer bet to tie. If missed you still have time for a touchdown and another two point conversion attempt. Most college coaches are going to play it by the book.

I'm curious to know where these analytics are from. Halfway through the 3rd quarter seems WAY to early to chase points.

Also, I'd hope that every college team uses analytics that also factor in what YOUR teams success rate is.

Oregon and OSU. Sure, go for 2 there.

Iowa with the way we convert in GOTTA HAVE IT situations.

Halfway through the 3rd, I figure Iowa was going to have at least 3 more possessions.

 

[Ironman39]

I probably could've dug deeper to make this an easier search, but here is what I found. The archived stats site only had 2 pt tries made, so I had to compare TDs to XPAs made to get the 2 pt attempts totals. Fun fact, I also included the total touchdowns scored each year dating back to 2008, just for a little insight on the ups and downs of our floundering offense:

Year- 2PM/2PA....TDs

2025- 0/2....24
2024- 0/3....43
2023- 1/2....22
2022- 0/0....25
2021- 0/0....36
2020- 3/4....30
2019- 0/4....36
2018- 0/2....50
2017- 0/4....48
2016- 1/3....42
Total- 5/24 (.208)

2015- 0/1....56
2014- 1/2....47
2013- 0/0....42
2012- 0/1....26
2011- 1/1....45
2010- 0/1....47
Total- 2/6 (.333)

2009- 0/2....35
2008- 1/1....48
Total- 1/3 (.333)

Overall- 7/30 (8/33) (.233/.242)


I will say, first off, that I don't know that these stats are 100% accurate. It's just based on what was available on the archive website. For some reason I thought we had gone for 2 at least once this year prior to last night?..........

Otherwise, if these numbers are accurate, we are 5/24 over the past 10 years (including the current season), good for 20.8% conversion rate, which I do believe is....*checks notes*....yeah, it's not good.

Interesting to see the touchdown totals though over the given years correlating with either bad offenses/bad seasons or various circumstances.

2015- 0/1....56
2014- 1/2....47
2013- 0/0....42
2012- 0/1....26
2011- 1/1....45
2010- 0/1....47
Total- 2/6 (.333)

2009- 0/2....35
2008- 1/1....48
2007- 0/0....28
2006- 0/0....38
2005- 0/0....44
2004- 0/1....33
2003- 0/1....45
2002- 1/2....60
2001- 0/0....49
2000- 1/2....23
1999- 0/0....19
Total- 3/9 (.333)

Overall- 7/30 (10/39) (.233/.256)


Here's the updated numbers to include KF's whole career.

So the national average is ~40% with some seasons being higher than others. Last year it was 45.8%.

2020 is the only year Iowa has converted on more than one 2 pt try in Kirk's career.

At all 3 sections I broke these stats into, Iowa has fallen under the national average.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

I mean….2x tonight the bottle worked for a TD and game icing first down

I mean….2x tonight the bottle worked for a TD and game icing first down

Cmon, that can't be. Why we've never run a fake or misdirection since Fry left. Don't you read the posts from the geniuses here?

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Agreed. Great calls...caught everyone off guard. I was talking about extra point attempts. Lester might have tried a bootleg in one as I don't think he's gotten one since he's been OC.

Well, I'm pretty sure that Longs naked boot against MSU in 85 was not an extra point attempt either

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Unless you don't trust your kicker......

Which seems to be becoming an issue unless he's 50+ yards away....

 

[SCHawkeye2]

I probably could've dug deeper to make this an easier search, but here is what I found. The archived stats site only had 2 pt tries made, so I had to compare TDs to XPAs made to get the 2 pt attempts totals. Fun fact, I also included the total touchdowns scored each year dating back to 2008, just for a little insight on the ups and downs of our floundering offense:

Year- 2PM/2PA....TDs

2025- 0/2....24
2024- 0/3....43
2023- 1/2....22
2022- 0/0....25
2021- 0/0....36
2020- 3/4....30
2019- 0/4....36
2018- 0/2....50
2017- 0/4....48
2016- 1/3....42
Total- 5/24 (.208)

2015- 0/1....56
2014- 1/2....47
2013- 0/0....42
2012- 0/1....26
2011- 1/1....45
2010- 0/1....47
Total- 2/6 (.333)

2009- 0/2....35
2008- 1/1....48
Total- 1/3 (.333)

Overall- 7/30 (8/33) (.233/.242)


I will say, first off, that I don't know that these stats are 100% accurate. It's just based on what was available on the archive website. For some reason I thought we had gone for 2 at least once this year prior to last night?..........

Otherwise, if these numbers are accurate, we are 5/24 over the past 10 years (including the current season), good for 20.8% conversion rate, which I do believe is....*checks notes*....yeah, it's not good.

Interesting to see the touchdown totals though over the given years correlating with either bad offenses/bad seasons or various circumstances.

Thanks.
The TD’s per season confirms what we already know about our offensive decline under a certain OC

 

[iahawkeyes17]

2015- 0/1....56
2014- 1/2....47
2013- 0/0....42
2012- 0/1....26
2011- 1/1....45
2010- 0/1....47
Total- 2/6 (.333)

2009- 0/2....35
2008- 1/1....48
2007- 0/0....28
2006- 0/0....38
2005- 0/0....44
2004- 0/1....33
2003- 0/1....45
2002- 1/2....60
2001- 0/0....49
2000- 1/2....23
1999- 0/0....19
Total- 3/9 (.333)

Overall- 7/30 (10/39) (.233/.256)


Here's the updated numbers to include KF's whole career.

So the national average is ~40% with some seasons being higher than others. Last year it was 45.8%.

2020 is the only year Iowa has converted on more than one 2 pt try in Kirk's career.

At all 3 sections I broke these stats into, Iowa has fallen under the national average.

Awesome thanks for posting. Those numbers were as bad as I thought they would be.

 

[hahkize]

Well, I'm pretty sure that Longs naked boot against MSU in 85 was not an extra point attempt either

Great call Mr. Nitpicker! Long's boot was a TD...from the 2 yd line, even closer than the current 2-pt extra point attempt.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

Great call Mr. Nitpicker! Long's boot was a TD...from the 2 yd line, even closer than the current 2-pt extra point attempt.

The 2pt play calls were as bad as the decision to go for 2 in the first place.

That fade to the corner is a super low percentage play, with our QB and WR play.

I'd much rather run a mesh hand off play and look for a big TE blocking then releasing.

Heck a hand off to Moulton up the middle would be more likely, with the way he was chewing yards

 

[RoyBurn]

KF has to stop chasing points that early in the game. Never chase points in the 3rd quarter. Take the 2 extra points and we are up by 3 at the end there with PSU having a chance to get the ball back.
Also on the 2 pt plays which we have been terribly bad for the last 15 years... either run the ball or dial up something where the QB is on the move. Seems like they are trying to force the ball to 1 spot every time on the 2 pt plays.

 

[MAKhawks]

The 2pt play calls were as bad as the decision to go for 2 in the first place.

That fade to the corner is a super low percentage play, with our QB and WR play.

I'd much rather run a mesh hand off play and look for a big TE blocking then releasing.

Heck a hand off to Moulton up the middle would be more likely, with the way he was chewing yards

I didn’t hate the attempt except for I know how awful Iowa has been at 2 pt conversions. To cut the lead to a FG is the right call there, even more so with the way Iowa had been playing.

I don’t/didn’t understand the fade route. I can’t remember the last time I saw Iowa execute it and the attempts at this year haven’t even been close to completions. Bizarre play call. To me, you run the fade when you’ve already got points locked up (field goal) and you don’t want it getting picked or you have a stud WR who can get up above the corner. I’d much rather have seen a back shoulder or honestly like you said, hand it off to Moulton. The guys going to get you two yards.

 

[Ironman39]

I didn’t hate the attempt except for I know how awful Iowa has been at 2 pt conversions. To cut the lead to a FG is the right call there, even more so with the way Iowa had been playing.

I don’t/didn’t understand the fade route. I can’t remember the last time I saw Iowa execute it and the attempts at this year haven’t even been close to completions. Bizarre play call. To me, you run the fade when you’ve already got points locked up (field goal) and you don’t want it getting picked or you have a stud WR who can get up above the corner. I’d much rather have seen a back shoulder or honestly like you said, hand it off to Moulton. The guys going to get you two yards.

At the very least, with Gronowski, it has to be something that gets him on the move as a passer. That way he is also a threat to run.

When you just drop him back both times, it limits your options and puts all the pressure on the execution of the route tree, which as we all know, has been a paper sack full of dog farts the last 5 years..........

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Great call Mr. Nitpicker! Long's boot was a TD...from the 2 yd line, even closer than the current 2-pt extra point attempt.

Good Lord. HOW am I nitpicking? In post #11 YOU said "hey I was talking about 2pt extra point plays" (calling out someone elses example, while using Longs boot as your example. All I said was that was not a 2pt attempt.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Both 2pt attempts were absolutely the correct decision

 

[83Hawk]

KF has to stop chasing points that early in the game. Never chase points in the 3rd quarter. Take the 2 extra points and we are up by 3 at the end there with PSU having a chance to get the ball back.
Also on the 2 pt plays which we have been terribly bad for the last 15 years... either run the ball or dial up something where the QB is on the move. Seems like they are trying to force the ball to 1 spot every time on the 2 pt plays.

I suspect you would be singing a different tune if Iowa got the ball on their own 30 with less than a minute to go and down by 4 because Kirk kicked the extra point in the 3rd quarter instead of going for 2.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

I suspect you would be singing a different tune if Iowa got the ball on their own 30 with less than a minute to go and down by 4 because Kirk kicked the extra point in the 3rd quarter instead of going for 2.

So much this.

If that first 2pt attempt is successful, then the PAT after our final score puts Iowa up 4, and everyone is saying what a terrific decision going for 2 was. LOL

 

[MAKhawks]

Both 2pt attempts were absolutely the correct decision

Do you know why you go for two?

 

[MAKhawks]

Do you know why you go for two?

Because you can’t go for three

 

[herkyou2]

This is analytics chart the lower the red line is the more you should go for 2 higher the red line more you should kick the extra point. The plus and minus is how many you are up or down.

 

[hahkize]

Good Lord. HOW am I nitpicking? In post #11 YOU said "hey I was talking about 2pt extra point plays" (calling out someone elses example, while using Longs boot as your example. All I said was that was not a 2pt attempt.

Thus the nitpick. Who gives a fv*k. It was the same as.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Thus the nitpick. Who gives a fv*k. It was the same as.

So 6 points or two points. Same thing? Must be the new math.......

 

[WeBeHerkin]

The play call for it was not good. Should have been an RPO of some sort.

 

[oldxbbc]

Seems like I remember a shovel pass for a two point conversion a few years ago that worked. Seems like the past couple of years when we have gone for two it has not even been close. Need some imagination I would say.

 

[funnyfletcher]

Not a 2pt try, but an awesome play call

 

[The Big Z]

It’s a 3 yard play. 3 freaking yards. To be so inept on a 3 yard play (23%) is just mind blowing.

 

[BunchofAholes]

The 2pt play calls were as bad as the decision to go for 2 in the first place.

That fade to the corner is a super low percentage play, with our QB and WR play.

I'd much rather run a mesh hand off play and look for a big TE blocking then releasing.

Heck a hand off to Moulton up the middle would be more likely, with the way he was chewing yards

This.

 

[Ironman39]

Not a 2pt try, but an awesome play call

Good for the refs to not give Ohio State the benefit of the holding call on us. Just too bad we couldn't rally in that one as well.

 

[RomanHawk]

My immediate memory and feelings are that KF is about 20% on two pt conversions. He usually doesnt have the really good running qb, and receivers to stretch out those plays and make a defense squirm

We typically have had weaknesses at both short yardage running conversions and short pass patterns. Those will always spell very poor 2 point conversion rates.