2 basketball thoughts...

missouridawg

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1) Next year could possibly be an easy fix to some of these struggles when you look at the free throw disparity. Working on better defense and developing a scheme that draws more fouls would change a lot of Ls into Ws this season. Maturity will help here too.

2). If Howland is bored this summer, he should go watch how Frank Haith coached that Phil Pressey led Mizzou team about 5 years ago. They ran out 3 guards and a Small forward with a center or big forward for most of the year. We will have Peters, 2 Weatherspoons, Kegler, and Ado/Herard/Holman to run that with. Would be fun to watch that play out if Howland tries to add that offense to the playbook.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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1) I think Howland needs an X and O assistant....I don't think he has one now.... 2) The biggest positive is we are trading Ready for Nic, Garrison Brooks and ADO.... Nic reminds me a lot of Dee Bost and Garrison Brooks actually has some low post moves, but he looks more 6'7" than 6'9"...
 

missouridawg

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1) I think Howland needs an X and O assistant....I don't think he has one now.... 2) The biggest positive is we are trading Ready for Nic, Garrison Brooks and ADO.... Nic reminds me a lot of Dee Bost and Garrison Brooks actually has some low post moves, but he looks more 6'7" than 6'9"...

Stansburys best years are when he had an Xs and Os guy on the bench. I'm in full agreement there.
 

patdog

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1 thought. Very young team. Injuries. 3-8 in close games in the SEC. Next year should be a lot better.
 

Willow Grove Dawg

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Stansbury's best years

My opinion has always been that we saw the best Stansbury teams when we had multiple "high character guys" on the team that were in effect enforcing discipline - guys like Derrick Zimmerman, Timmy Bowers, & Brandon Vincent. When the leadership roles were passed on to Charles Rhodes & Jamont Gordon and then ultimately to Dee Bost - our teams consistently underachieved. Likewise early in the Stansbury years when we our leaders were guys like Markell Patterson, Tang Hamilton - we likewise struggled. The whole thing went to HELL when Sidney & Moultrie showed up.
 
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L4Dawg

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My opinion has always been that we saw the best Stansbury teams when we had multiple "high character guys" on the team that were in effect enforced discipline - guys like Derrick Zimmerman, Timmy Bowers, & Brandon Vincent. When the leadership roles were passed on to Charles Rhodes & Jamont Gordon and then ultimately to Dee Bost - our teams consistently underachieved.
BINGO!
 

Seinfeld

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It's taking all of my self-restraint to keep from posting a "miss me yet?" meme of Stansbury for some of the asshats that still don't realize what he accomplished here, but I'll continue to say that Howland simply can't be judged this year.

Is it alarming that we seem to be regressing late in the season? Sure, but when your rotation consists of 70% true freshmen with the only upperclassman being IJ Ready, there's just not really any reasonable baseline to compare this scenario to. If we do not start seeing some major strides next season, then it's time to start being concerned
 

BiscuitEater

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Paul Jones saying that '18 BB recruiting 'may not' be done. Have no clue 'who' the target might be but do know that any additions would also mean a subtraction of someone on roster below besides Joe Strugg.

Current signees Nick, Brooks and Feazell would give us a good starting group and depth at every position ..

Quinndary WeatherspoonG6-4202JR2LCanton, Miss. / Velma Jackson
Xavian StapletonG6-6195JR1LFlora, Miss. / Madison Central
Aric HolmanF6-10218JR2LOwensboro, Ky. / Owensboro HS
Lamar PetersG6-0181SO1LNew Orleans, La. / Landry-Walker HS
Eli WrightG6-4197SO1LOwensboro, Ky. / 22 Feet Academy
Tyson CarterG6-4155SO1LStarkville, Miss. / Starkville HS
Mario KeglerF6-7230SO1LJackson, Miss. / Oak Hill Academy
E.J. DatcherC6-9251SO1LVincent, Ala. / Vincent HS
Schnider HerardC6-10260SO1LPlano, Texas / Prestonwood Christian HS
Abdul AdoF6-11235RSFR?HSChattanooga, Tenn. / Hamilton Heights HS
Nick WeatherspoonG6-2173FRHSVelma Jackson (Camden, MS)
Garrison BrooksF6-9215FRHSAuburn (Auburn, AL)
KeyShawn Feazell F6-9225FRHSLawrence County (Monticello, MS)

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Seinfeld

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There seems to be a lot of rumors surrounding Wright and Howland not seeing eye to eye, but I don't know how much truth there is to that
 

tcdog70

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Timmy Bowers, Zimmerman and Vincent didn't play much as Freshman (BV was a JUCO). They were mature and got to play with older players before they burden was thrown on them. They had Markell and Michael Ghoular to show them how. our Guys are just too Young. Also Austin was manning the Post and you could just throw Him the Ball and get out of the way. Then they Had LRob. I think we need a Shane Powers.
 

ShrubDog

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There seems to be a lot of rumors surrounding Wright and Howland not seeing eye to eye, but I don't know how much truth there is to that

Yea I haven't heard anything but something must be going on because he should be playing more minutes. He doesn't ***** foot around with the ball. Did he play in the 2nd half last night?
 

Willow Grove Dawg

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It is probably inevitable with this many fresmans & sophomores playing

that 1-2 of them are at least having conversations about transferring due to playing time, etc. The were rumors early about Kegler & he has looked extremely frustrated to me recently.
 
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Working on better defense and developing a scheme that draws more fouls would change a lot of Ls into Ws this season. Maturity will help here too.

You have to want to play defense. They choose not to. Peters and Weatherspoon could care less if his guy drives coast-to-coast and throws it down. Doesn't phase them one bit.

2). If Howland is bored this summer, he should go watch how Frank Haith coached that Phil Pressey led Mizzou team about 5 years ago. They ran out 3 guards and a Small forward with a center or big forward for most of the year. We will have Peters, 2 Weatherspoons, Kegler, and Ado/Herard/Holman to run that with. Would be fun to watch that play out if Howland tries to add that offense to the playbook.

I sure hope something changes next year. Howland's offensive sets make Rick Ray look like a genius. In one 5-7 minute stretch, between turning it over and chucking desperation 3's, I don't think we attempted but 1 shot inside the 3 point line.
 

ShrubDog

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that 1-2 of them are at least having conversations about transferring due to playing time, etc. The were rumors early about Kegler & he has looked extremely frustrated to me recently.

He is a *****, always whining and dribbling off his knee. If he gets a tip in basket with 10 seconds left, i.e. the UT game, he will parade around while the other team is driving down the court. I hope he can improve.
 

Seinfeld

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Yeah, of all the freshmen on the team, he is the one that concerns me the most. He's clearly got loads of raw talent, but he just always seems to be frustrated about something.

I could be way off base, but seems like a classic case of a guy that is LeBron James in his head, but just another talented 18/19-year-old in reality
 
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managing to score nearly 15 points more a game under Ben. Amazing.

Where do folks come up with this stuff?

I'll give you that although it's actually a little under 10 more (not 15) in conference games compared to Ray's last year. That delta can probably be attributed to Howland having better quality athletes than Ray. But the end result is the same....6 conference wins assuming they beat LSU. I'm not defending Ray, but all I see with this team is a bunch of dribbling around the perimeter until 5 seconds are left on the shot clock and a desperation 3. I'm still gonna give Howland the benefit of the doubt and see what he does with some post presence next year.
 

KurtRambis4

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Who is responsible for

bringing in those better players?

i wasn't referencing conference games only, so I was not wrong.
 
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