OT: Stock and Investment Thread

RUAldo · Monday at 3:38 PM

T2Kplus20 said:
Zitron is insane. He literally claims that AI itself has no positive value for business or society. LOL! He’s just trying to be Burry 2.0 at all cost.

Anyone that has even tinkered with co-pilot at work on job tasks will understand why AI is for real. The productivity gains are insane.

How long before SpaceX announces a SI phone that F’s Apple? When the telco swirl first hit the media I heard Elon wasn’t going to develop iPhone competitor. I don’t believe it.

Postman_1 · Monday at 5:58 PM

Apple with a nice earnings report

T2Kplus20 · Monday at 6:43 PM

Postman_1 said:
Apple with a nice earnings report

+1
Another outstanding report!

Jtung230 · Monday at 7:32 PM

RUAldo said:
Anyone that has even tinkered with co-pilot at work on job tasks will understand why AI is for real. The productivity gains are insane.

How long before SpaceX announces a SI phone that F’s Apple? When the telco swirl first hit the media I heard Elon wasn’t going to develop iPhone competitor. I don’t believe it.

iPhones are not the best phones. But the apple ecosystem makes it irreplaceable.

Sleeping Giant · Monday at 7:36 PM

T2Kplus20 said:
+1
Another outstanding report!

Yet the stock tanking…WTF.

T2Kplus20 · Monday at 7:42 PM

Sleeping Giant said:
Yet the stock tanking…WTF.

AMZN rebounded in a blink of an eye. AAPL will probably due the same. Remember, humans are not making these trades. Just stupid algo's/computers based on mindless keyword recognition.

RUAldo · Monday at 8:43 PM

Jtung230 said:
iPhones are not the best phones. But the apple ecosystem makes it irreplaceable.

IDK what really makes a phone the best, but iPhone checks all the right boxes and has the ecosystem. But if Elon is going to have Starlink, self-driving cars, humanoids, In-home battery storage, and mini-data centers (soon), then it seems like a Starlink phone becomes the perfect remote control.

Jtung230 · Monday at 10:15 PM

RUAldo said:
IDK what really makes a phone the best, but iPhone checks all the right boxes and has the ecosystem. But if Elon is going to have Starlink, self-driving cars, humanoids, In-home battery storage, and mini-data centers (soon), then it seems like a Starlink phone becomes the perfect remote control.

Need to sell a lot more cars to make a dent. Tesla has about 2% of the auto market share.

Rutgers Chris · Monday at 10:25 PM

RUAldo said:
Anyone that has even tinkered with co-pilot at work on job tasks will understand why AI is for real. The productivity gains are insane.

How long before SpaceX announces a SI phone that F’s Apple? When the telco swirl first hit the media I heard Elon wasn’t going to develop iPhone competitor. I don’t believe it.

Laying the groundwork by potentially buying Boost Mobile

Bueller · Tuesday at 1:46 AM

T2Kplus20 said:
Zitron is insane. He literally claims that AI itself has no positive value for business or society. LOL! He’s just trying to be Burry 2.0 at all cost.

Zitron is popular now because his early math and investment predictions have been right on. Watch a Zitron podcast and its mostly about financial hallucinations. AI has a lot of different uses and angles. I'm not against all AI and even like that I've waited 30 years for certain investments that aspects of AI makes possible. I like Palmer Luckey's way of explaining AI use. Luckey is best guy in tech.

Zitron isn't so much against AI as he is the hyperbolic claims over generative AI (MIT study confirmed) and the wildly irresponsible financial manipulations. People invested in AI over extremely irresponsible claims that stoked FOMO. Ed has the math and that is what woke people up instead of AI uses. The math is awful and investors finally realized it, Claims are crashing in China and US. Ed has called for legal investigations which make sense

Mark Cuban sees the same thing. Recall Cuban got rich on software and tech. He survived dot.com bust knowing where the lines between BS and facts were

MIT Found 95% of Corporate AI Projects Show NO Measurable Financial Return. Former White House and Pentagon Advisor Asks What That Means for Investors

A widely cited MIT study found almost no measurable corporate profits from generative AI so far. A former Pentagon and CIA advisor puts that finding next to the valuations investors are paying.Washington, D.C., June 22, 2026 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- While headlines continue celebrating every new AI...

finance.yahoo.com

Bueller · Tuesday at 1:59 AM

RUAldo said:
Anyone that has even tinkered with co-pilot at work on job tasks will understand why AI is for real. The productivity gains are insane.

How long before SpaceX announces a SI phone that F’s Apple? When the telco swirl first hit the media I heard Elon wasn’t going to develop iPhone competitor. I don’t believe it.

Copilot? Is Copilot worth billions of dollars in hardware and data center investment? Many users hate Copilot and MS is pulling it back - its spyware. Recall how government tried squeezing people into EVs when America's crappy 3rd world grid couldn't handle it. That's how people feel about AI being force fed them.

This week the truly creepy Sam Altman laments that people should not have RAM in their personal computers because data centers need it. As a PC enthusiast who spent many hours in tech forums the tech guys are some of the the most stuck-up and toxic people going. They aren't engineers but glorified code monkeys who think they should run the world

The Copilot+ PC brand is dead: Microsoft and PC makers quietly pull back on tarnished Windows 11 AI PC branding

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/the-copilot-pc-brand-is-dead-microsoft-and-pc-makers-quietly-pull-back-on-tarnished-windows-11-ai-pc-branding

Copilot quietly grabs your data from other Microsoft products now – here’s how to opt out

Copilot quietly grabs your data from other Microsoft products now - here's how to opt out - ZDNET

A new setting in Copilot will access data from Bing, MSN, Edge, and other services. You can disable this if you're worried about your privacy.

www.zdnet.com

RUAldo · Tuesday at 5:21 AM

Bueller said:
Copilot? Is Copilot worth billions of dollars in hardware and data center investment? Many users hate Copilot and MS is pulling it back - its spyware. Recall how government tried squeezing people into EVs when America's crappy 3rd world grid couldn't handle it. That's how people feel about AI being force fed them.

This week the truly creepy Sam Altman laments that people should not have RAM in their personal computers because data centers need it. As a PC enthusiast who spent many hours in tech forums the tech guys are some of the the most stuck-up and toxic people going. They aren't engineers but glorified code monkeys who think they should run the world

The Copilot+ PC brand is dead: Microsoft and PC makers quietly pull back on tarnished Windows 11 AI PC branding

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/the-copilot-pc-brand-is-dead-microsoft-and-pc-makers-quietly-pull-back-on-tarnished-windows-11-ai-pc-branding

Copilot quietly grabs your data from other Microsoft products now – here’s how to opt out

Copilot quietly grabs your data from other Microsoft products now - here's how to opt out - ZDNET

A new setting in Copilot will access data from Bing, MSN, Edge, and other services. You can disable this if you're worried about your privacy.

www.zdnet.com

I’ll be the first to admit I hated co-pilot when it first launched and b!tched about it here. And I’m not suggesting it’s perfect. But it’s embedded in M365 which is where I spend a ton of work time between Teams, Outlook, etc. There are projects that should have taken me 2 days that now take me 2 hours. It’s not perfect but good enough. Would I brand a PC based on co-pilot = No chance as it’s just a productivity tool. That would be like branding a MS Outlook PC. I basically use c-pilot for work and Gemini for personal and I’m amazed at the efficiency gains.

RU05 · Tuesday at 5:51 AM

Anon1751565407 said:
Because Ant and OpenAI will be king and queen of AI forever with exponential growth forever!
I’m half kidding. But extrapolating beyond points of relative certainty is nothing more than speculative financial modeling. All models are wrong but some are useful.

At $1T market cap. Anthropic is fairly reasonable on the most recent qtr’s revs of $17 B.

RUBlackout · Tuesday at 6:18 AM

RUAldo said:
I’ll be the first to admit I hated co-pilot when it first launched and b!tched about it here. And I’m not suggesting it’s perfect. But it’s embedded in M365 which is where I spend a ton of work time between Teams, Outlook, etc. There are projects that should have taken me 2 days that now take me 2 hours. It’s not perfect but good enough. Would I brand a PC based on co-pilot = No chance as it’s just a productivity tool. That would be like branding a MS Outlook PC. I basically use c-pilot for work and Gemini for personal and I’m amazed at the efficiency gains.

I’m the same way

RU05 · Tuesday at 6:30 AM

Guy on thursday compound had a more reasonable bear case for AI.

basically where as the claims are something like $1T in revs by 2030 he thought the more likely revs by that time is $400b. He just saw no way of it reaching $1t. And he’s a rebuttable guy in the field.

Zitrons a podcast loon.

Jtung230 · Tuesday at 6:58 AM

Rutgers Chris said:
Laying the groundwork by potentially buying Boost Mobile

I’m not sure why this was a surprise move. Starlink needs infrastructure to deliver their service in the urban areas. Building it from scratch would have been costly and lengthy.

T2Kplus20 · Tuesday at 7:40 AM

RUAldo said:
I’ll be the first to admit I hated co-pilot when it first launched and b!tched about it here. And I’m not suggesting it’s perfect. But it’s embedded in M365 which is where I spend a ton of work time between Teams, Outlook, etc. There are projects that should have taken me 2 days that now take me 2 hours. It’s not perfect but good enough. Would I brand a PC based on co-pilot = No chance as it’s just a productivity tool. That would be like branding a MS Outlook PC. I basically use c-pilot for work and Gemini for personal and I’m amazed at the efficiency gains.

When Copilot Researcher launched in March/April, it was a revolutionary step forward. We are now working on an AWS based AI engine that can interpret visual charts and data.....and then dump the output right in PowerPoint! Last week, one of my junior team members accomplished a 2-3 day request in 43 minutes.

Anyone that downplays the benefits of gen AI is a moron.

T2Kplus20 · Tuesday at 7:41 AM

RU05 said:
Guy on thursday compound had a more reasonable bear case for AI.

basically where as the claims are something like $1T in revs by 2030 he thought the more likely revs by that time is $400b. He just saw no way of it reaching $1t. And he’s a rebuttable guy in the field.

Zitrons a podcast loon.

+1
He was a good listen. Zitron is playing a character for clicks.

Jtung230 · Tuesday at 9:29 AM

T2Kplus20 said:
+1
He was a good listen. Zitron is playing a character for clicks.

They all are. If they are not, they are playing the pump and dump game.

RUAldo · Tuesday at 10:12 AM

This is why I’m sitting on a pile of cash in my trading account. Even Ackman feels the market may be broken. I’m still building positions but very slow. And trying to stick to quality although even those are tough to figure out. Marriott hit a $430 52-week and 10-year high less than a month after I sold at around $365. Gas, consumer, and international travel apparently mattered when it dropped to $330 but last few weeks nobody cares.

Bill Ackman warns of 'casino' stock market as speculative trading grows

"'We're back to the casino type markets when there was 95% leverage," said the founder of Pershing Square Capital Management.

www.cnbc.com

Jtung230 · Tuesday at 11:46 AM

RUAldo said:
This is why I’m sitting on a pile of cash in my trading account. Even Ackman feels the market may be broken. I’m still building positions but very slow. And trying to stick to quality although even those are tough to figure out. Marriott hit a $430 52-week and 10-year high less than a month after I sold at around $365. Gas, consumer, and international travel apparently mattered when it dropped to $330 but last few weeks nobody cares.

Bill Ackman warns of 'casino' stock market as speculative trading grows

"'We're back to the casino type markets when there was 95% leverage," said the founder of Pershing Square Capital Management.

www.cnbc.com

Capital markets flashed red months ago on data centers. The market just seems dislocated. It could snap right back and head new highs or drop another 10-15%.

RUAldo · Tuesday at 4:31 PM

Jtung230 said:
Capital markets flashed red months ago on data centers. The market just seems dislocated. It could snap right back and head new highs or drop another 10-15%.

It’s the spec trading, option gambling, AI trading agents/bots, algos, etc.

If it snaps back it not because anything changed other than the trading patterns. These platforms are all moving in coordinated patterns whether intentional or not.

Jtung230 · Tuesday at 5:05 PM

RUAldo said:
It’s the spec trading, option gambling, AI trading agents/bots, algos, etc.

If it snaps back it not because anything changed other than the trading patterns. These platforms are all moving in coordinated patterns whether intentional or not.

That’s why I look at the credit side.

RUDeac · Tuesday at 9:37 PM

Red wave in my account

T2Kplus20 · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

RUDeac said:
Red wave in my account

Buy the dip. The markets love gridlock and nothing will get done for the next 2 years.

RU05 · 2026-11-04T09:10:51-0600

T2Kplus20 said:
Buy the dip. The markets love gridlock and nothing will get done for the next 2 years.

Nasdaq and DOW both up 2% this morning.

S&P up 1.75%.

RU05 · 2026-11-04T09:12:45-0600

AMZN popping.

UBER up nicely on earnings. Let's see if that sticks.

T2Kplus20 · 2026-11-04T09:39:48-0600

RU05 said:
UBER up nicely on earnings. Let's see if that sticks.

The Josh Brown special!

RU05 · 2026-11-04T10:07:35-0600

T2Kplus20 said:
The Josh Brown special!

It's popped before on great earnings only to give it back in the following weeks. So we shall see.

Jtung230 · 2026-11-04T10:09:11-0600

T2Kplus20 said:
The Josh Brown special!

Did Josh Brown call the election and that it would cause a market rally?

RU05 · 2026-11-04T10:09:12-0600

WTI was down, I assume on the election, and the idea that the Dem's will get us out of Iran.

But then it dipped extra heavy at 10:40 am, not sure the reason there.

T2Kplus20 · 2026-11-04T10:10:37-0600

RU05 said:
It's popped before on great earnings only to give it back in the following weeks. So we shall see.

The narrative is still very negative. I agree with JB that UBER is likely a big autonomous vehicle winner, but I still have no idea when to get in and hold.

RU05 · 2026-11-04T10:11:32-0600

GOLD up 3% today as well, back above $4000. Is this the catalyst for a run there as well.

RU05 · 2026-11-04T10:24:07-0600

T2Kplus20 said:
The narrative is still very negative. I agree with JB that UBER is likely a big autonomous vehicle winner, but I still have no idea when to get in and hold.

2000 autonomous vehicles by the end of next year.

Tens of thousands the following year.

But I guess the question is, do they get Waymo, and Robotaxi on their app, or do those guys eat into their app share.

RU05 · 2026-11-05T09:05:01-0600

Nasdaq getting crushed. Down 3+%.

DOCN, one of my big AI winners earlier this year sits atop my loser board yet again. MRVL a similar story.

RU05 · 2026-11-05T09:13:29-0600

MCK, BR and ACN continue to look very good.

Unfortuneately only providing a slight ballast for my portfolio.

Edit: PFE and DIS as well.

T2Kplus20 · 2026-11-05T09:20:55-0600

RU05 said:
Nasdaq getting crushed. Down 3+%.

DOCN, one of my big AI winners earlier this year sits atop my loser board yet again. MRVL a similar story.

MRVL's acquisition of Lumentum might be a long-term positive, but the stock is probably going to suffer until the deal is closed.

RU206 · 2026-11-05T09:28:40-0600

ugh. A lot of red today.

RUAldo · 2026-11-05T09:31:19-0600

Blood bath. Only reason I’m not phased is my trading account is largely in cash and this will only reduce what was going to be a hefty tax bill. Fortunately most of what I bought recently is green. Unfortunately those positions are still smallish. Will have to dump BROS position in coming days and give up on it. What a disappointment there.

RU05 · 2026-11-05T09:49:58-0600

RUAldo said:
Blood bath. Only reason I’m not phased is my trading account is largely in cash and this will only reduce what was going to be a hefty tax bill. Fortunately most of what I bought recently is green. Unfortunately those positions are still smallish. Will have to dump BROS position in coming days and give up on it. What a disappointment there.

I'm much better in terms of temperance in these downward swings then a few years back.

Still think the trade is to buy what is currently working, and sell some of those AI names that ripped early this year.

Going to add to PFE, increase what is currently a pretty small position.

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MIT Found 95% of Corporate AI Projects Show NO Measurable Financial Return. Former White House and Pentagon Advisor Asks What That Means for Investors

The Copilot+ PC brand is dead: Microsoft and PC makers quietly pull back on tarnished Windows 11 AI PC branding

Copilot quietly grabs your data from other Microsoft products now – here’s how to opt out

The Copilot+ PC brand is dead: Microsoft and PC makers quietly pull back on tarnished Windows 11 AI PC branding

Copilot quietly grabs your data from other Microsoft products now – here’s how to opt out