I couldn’t help it. I have failed my self control.
Saturday showed why RuNdAbAwL doesn't work against good teams........
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Well, we ran all over Missouri you idiot. Florida couldn't. You have a phobia against the run. 2 running plays and you think it's the wishbone.
Missouri is not the type of team we're talking about.
But speaking of them, we should have run less against Missouri. The pass was working. Now we have an injured tailback.
You don't know one dang thing about football.... obviously. The pass was working because we could run, and the run was working because we could pass. That's how modern football works. You are stuck 20-30 years ago.
Lose, if you can’t do both. You don’t seem to get that. This ain’t Madden 2000.
And that's what MSU has done its whole history. Seems you are OK with it. I want to win. And to win those games, we have to have a developed pass game that opens up the run. We are never going to be the type of blue blood team that can assemble a roster that is able to run over the blue bloods. That day is gone, if it ever really even existed.
Here are the most potent SEC offenses of the past 25 years, ranked by S&P. I highlighted the offenses that could fall into that 'non-blue blood' area. Basically, Texas A&M, Tennessee (after they had fell from grace), us and Ole Miss. Passing, opening up the run, is an aspect of all of them. Hell, A&M was running the Air Raid.
Rank Team / season SP+ offense Why it stands out
2 Texas A&M 2013 50.5 Manziel's second-year offense; enormous explosive-play profile
4 Auburn 2010 49.4 Newton-led offense; elite rushing + explosive passing
5 LSU 2019 48.9 Burrow/Chase/Jefferson; arguably the greatest résumé + efficiency combo
6 Alabama 2019 47.7 Tua, Young, Smith, Jeudy, Harris
7 Tennessee 2022 47.3 Hooker/Hyatt offense; devastating tempo and vertical passing
9 Auburn 2013 46.8 Marshall/Mason; Malzahn's peak ground game
10 Georgia 2018 45.9 Fromm + elite RB/TE talent; remarkably efficient despite a conservative identity
11 Alabama 2012 45.7 McCarron, Yeldon, Cooper; championship-level efficiency
12 Alabama 2013 45.6 McCarron + Cooper + elite run game
13 Auburn 2014 45.2 Marshall/Mason era continued; still an elite offense
14 Georgia 2013 44.9 Murray, Gurley, Mitchell; excellent efficiency despite injuries
15 Georgia 2012 44.9 Murray/Gurley/Marshall; one of Richt's best offenses
16 Texas A&M 2012 44.7 Manziel's Heisman season; elite efficiency immediately upon entering SEC
18 Georgia 2014 44.2 Mason/Chubb/Marshall; dominant run efficiency
19 Florida 2008 43.7 Tebow-led spread; national-title offense
20 Texas A&M 2014 43.6 Hill/Allen-era transition, still elite by SP+
21 Mississippi State 2014 43.2 Prescott-led offense; best season of the Mullen era
22 Ole Miss 2015 43.1 Chad Kelly + explosive passing game
23 Tennessee 2012 42.6 Bray-era passing attack; much better efficiency than its record suggests
25 Ole Miss 2018 42.1 Matt Corral-era transition offense; very high efficiency despite weak overall team
You don’t want to win Anything except arguments. If you want to win football games you do 50% of you fantasy offense. That’s what the teams that actually win do. You struck out most of the real winners On your list. Thanks for disproving your point. Why weren’t you on here the first four weeks?
I marked out the blue bloods who can amass the talent to run the ball on anybody. We don't have anything in common with them.
If you want to win, that's what you have to do. you have to act like a blue blood. There ain't no magic scheme that will suddenly overcome their advantages, especially now. What you fantasize about doesn't exist in reality.
I mean it's pretty well-documented that our fanbase and overall football culture is not very good. All I'm saying is it's time to re-think some of that. I expect to get pushback for anything that's not RuNdAbAwL and aww shucks just be happy with what we got.
I think this has more to do with your personal disdain for Lebby. You’re carrying this fire Lebby flag upon a hill and willing to die on said hill. Sure you had your followers but those are not following you anymore. So now you invent a new offense and a new scheme to once again show your ignorance and hate for one Jeff Lebby. Why don’t or won’t you give it up. We are having a decent season. Support the program instead of being the little b!tch you are
I’m no Lebby fan either. But even I can admit he’s done a good job so far this year. Still a lot of work to do, particularly in recruiting & developing OL & DL and depth. And yeah it helps he’s got Kamario who was committed before he got here. But he’s safe for another year unless he loses out (other than UT Martin). I think what the bama game showed was if you can’t run the ball you can’t beat the top teams. We need 1 & 24 to get healthy and hopefully get Hill ready to play some in this bye week.
Rip 85bears. Did Sawyer Robertson ever go first round?
Not about Lebby. If anything I give him credit for giving us a great passing game. Last year too, which is why we were competitive despite talent differences.
Fluff wouldn’t have made a difference Saturday, at least not until later. The TOs are what killed us. Without those, Taylor was throwing well enough to keep us in the game. It would have become a shootout, and I think we’d have probably been able to run later. But as it turned out, we were too far behind and the defense gassed out. Thus - blowout.
In fairness, the crossroads is kind of my thing. I must say I agree with you, Mr. 77, in terms of having it be able to do both. A few years ago, I started calling plays at the meager high school level, but I am an o line guy by trade and thought run the ball with short passes. Being in 6A, I see some of these modern odd front defenses designed to shut down both aspects of your offense. And I quickly got my *** handed to me. Both aspects of the offense setting up the other is the correct way of thinking here. Being one dimensional is a death sentence.
Just a thought but use the screen game as a supplement for the run. The screen game mixed in properly can function as the run game in a modern offense. I am sure I am wrong, but just a thought.
Or throw quickly out wide if DBs are playing off. Get guard tackle moving upfield to get to block second layer of defense. That’s similar to a stretch play. We see a lot of DBs playing off some of our WRs respecting our speed. Use that play some, then DCs will walk a safery over or get a little closer to line. Should create more space for middle of field. Take a few shots a there, now you have a good chance of seeing a lighter box and can run the ball. I’d also use more motion to see if you can get a miss match with LB/safety on a WR.
Absolutely. Matter of fact, I think most offenses should start with the screens, if it's there. Easy yardage, assuming your QB has the arm and quickness to get it out there.
We CAN run against good fronts when the numbers dictate it to be the correct play. We did fine against Mizzou and Minnesota.
All our offense does really is the same thing the Air Raid did, just goes about it slightly different…..take what the defense gives. 6-7 in coverage, we’re running. 5 in coverage, RPO, QB reads one player to decide on running vs. passing. 4 or less in coverage, we’re taking the top off or going downfield for chunk gains. Where we do have to put hats on people and run against 6-7 man fronts is in the red zone, because there really is no “box” anymore when the field gets that small.
But other than that, the whole run vs. pass discussion is pointless because Lebby / KT aren’t even committing to either one until seeing the defense. If a D drops 7 in coverage 80 times in a row, we will run the dive 80 times in a row, and probably get 8 yards a carry.
Nobody's dropping 6-7 in coverage for a team that can't throw. That's why you should always lead with that.
We have way too much thought at MSU and in MS high schools that you have to lead with the run in all aspects. We even prefer run-first QBs.
Yes to all that.
This is what GOAT can't get through his thick skull. Most of our plays are RPO.
If you ALWAYS lead with something you will be eaten alive by any competent modern defense. You are at least 30 years behind the times. What's it like to be stuck in the 1990s?
Don’t mistake a true dual threat like K1 with a run first QB. K1 is an elite passer and runner
I agree. Was talking more in general. MSU fans love them some running QBs. But the funny thing is, when the team does get some juice, and gets in that 8-4 territory and runs up against the good teams (think 2017 and 2018 with the SECs leading rusher), our fans STILL turn on the QB because he couldn't do the one thing I'm talking about here........pass effectively.
To-date, Dak is the only QB in my lifetime that didn't get booed at some point or have their career ended abruptly. Perhaps KT will be the next. But I don't think it's prudent to wait on that once-in-15-years true dual threat QB to have that 'up' season.
No shít. Everybody has to be able to throw. But it’s not about “leading” with that, or leading with the run. You lead with what the defense is giving you in every modern offense above high school ball.
First off, who really cares what the thought process is at MS high schools? MS high schools will be very limited in passing proficiency at all but a very few places per year. What they do has jack shít to do with MSU.
Secondly, nobody at MSU thinks we need to lead with the run. This isn’t 1995. You’ve created this problem in your own mind.
So your plan would be to just forget about running the football and pass every play. Got it.
KT would probably be out for the season if we did that Sat.
So you don’t want to run the ball and think we need elite throwing quarterbacks, but you were howling for us to hire Gus Malzahn as head coach, whose offense is run first and whose best seasons at Auburn came with a converted cornerback playing quarterback (Nick Marshall). You’ve got to be trolling.
You think I started saying RuNdAbAwL for my health? Folks have been yelling that ever since Leach was here. And now I have to sit there and watch Lebby run that stupid draw play over and over and over against Mizzou when we're picking up chunk plays with the pass.
Absolutely I did. I want niche offenses. But that was 3 years ago when we simply wanted something competent, and my thinking on this has continued to develop on this subject. With every one seeming to want dual threat QBs, and there aren't that many TRUE dual threat QBs out there, you're better off taking the passer. But you also have to commit to that and develop it.
Name the folks. Name any poster, real life person, etc. who is yelling these things. Anyone. We’re all waiting.
Fluff averaged 4.9 YPC on that “stupid draw play” we ran over and over again. He did so because - drumroll - we only ran it when we had a numbers advantage. That’s how our offense (and every other offense) works now. There is no “doing X to set up Y”. Defensive alignment dictates every play you run, with very few situational exceptions (2-minute offense, specialty plays like Hail Mary, running clock with a lead, and so forth).
It’s pretty clear the Leach years broke you. You have lost any semblance of actual thought due to the three years of leach
Fluffs “draw play” helped us win the game dumba$$. You need to start sitting out these threads about football. Until you start attending games and giving to NIL your post don’t mean shite.
You keep being negative about the offense that’s gotten us to 4-1 and ranked. You have not just this year but last year constantly posted negative comments when… we win… It’s literally a mental illness that you have. You’re defending once again that you don’t like Lebby without saying it. We are going to win 7 to 9 games this year and that pisses you off because it proves you have been wrong, and you can’t take that.
@L4Dawg, among many others. Check any game thread from back then. "We" as if you're trying to portray some big gang up on me. I fully understand our fanbase is largely dumb.
He also got hurt, and wasn't necessary. And we could have blown that game out, instead of almost blowing the game.
Damn right it did. That was our chance to really win some big games, and the man dies. Of course our fans never really supported him anyway. But what really broke me was the series of decisions we made after that. Thus RuNdAbAwL was born.
This is why everybody still 17s with you, even though you were right about the team this year. If you want to be taken seriously, quit with this genespage shlt.
Of course, you really weren't 'right'. Our team and program is about what it already was.......we just happened to catch lightning in a bottle with a QB, who was coming to Mississippi State anyway, no matter the coach.
I am NOT yelling what you say I am. You are an idiot. I am not a run the ball guy. I am not a pass the ball guy. I say you have to do both to be successful. Run OR pass first is a recipe for disaster in modern football. If the opponent knows what's coming on average, he can stop it.
Leach and his crew combined with JC and the fans were the direct results of our hole we are climbing out of. Lacks of recruiting and embracing NIL
As far as being right. Well when you have information on the team, seen spring and preseasons practices I guess I will be right. You literally have been wrong each and every time you post. I think it’s you that needs to step back and evaluate the situation before you post. You tend to bend the truth a lot. Especially when it come to saying you attended games. Or try to interject your thoughts on what you clearly don’t know shite about.
Those who as your say “17” with me have also been proven wrong time and time again. You can come after me all you want but you will continue to get shoved in a locker. I have never seen a fan try to demean a win like you have the last two years You are a pathetic fan and a habitual liar.
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