NCAA admits WMU should have won game, and I'm more confused than ever...

Dawgzilla2 · Sep 17, 2026

8dog said:
I’ve just assumed you wouldn’t use the stadium clock for replay b/c you would almost never be able to see it in the standard replay views.

Thats why you use a video of the clock synced up with the replay video. Which is also what NBC claimed it was showing.

mstateglfr · Sep 17, 2026

triton28 said:
Tell that to the gamblers who had the play of a lifetime with western Michigan moneyline

They gambled on something that uses human judgement to impact the result.
It sucks, but every game is full of human judgement that impacts the result- missed holding, missed pass interference, targeting decisions, etc etc- they all are human judgement calls that impact the result.

Perd Hapley · Sep 17, 2026

8dog said:
I’ve just assumed you wouldn’t use the stadium clock for replay b/c you would almost never be able to see it in the standard replay views.

You can have the feed of the stadium clock directly distributed to every camera in the stadium. This isn’t hard. The clock on a scoreboard is no different than the clock in the bottom right of your computer monitor, which is linked to a master server that syncs date / time for all Apple / Microsoft devices, etc.

Take the clock fed from whatever computer in the stadium is running it, feed it through a master database that all the cameras can link to wirelessly, so everyone’s running off the same clock feed.

The idea that they’d try to sync the clock with a video feed of the stadium clock is completely asinine to me, but that’s what NBC was arguing they did. Seriously, the tech to solve this problem has been around for a bare minimum of two decades. It’s astonishing that this problem could still exist at the scale it apparently does.

It’s like if someone shows you a picture on their phone that you think is cool, so you want a copy of it. But instead of just having them text it or AirDrop it to you, you take a picture of their phone screen. So stupid.

QuaoarsKing · Sep 17, 2026

How do we even know if all those social media videos that Michigan fans have put out there haven't been modified in some way?

I'll trust the NCAA (yes, that's always a bad choice too) to say that Western Michigan should have won more than I'll trust the Tik-Tok zapruders who say they should have lost.

Bulldog Bruce · Sep 17, 2026

RBcoach said:
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By rule they can't reverse the outcome has been determined by the officials declaring the game over.

I don't get this at all. By rule they should have never gotten the extra second put back on the clock. By rule Western Michigan was ahead at that point. The NCAA has taken away wins, whole seasons, Heisman trophies throughout it's existence. Now all of a sudden there is some higher authority or God telling them they can't declare Michigan the loser.

How can you have a rule that protects cheating or a total <17> up?

Hotdiggydawg · Sep 17, 2026

Dawgzilla2 said:
You haven't been keeping up. The defensive player was out of bounds when he jumped up to touch the ball, which means the pass was incomplete right when he touched it.

If he was in the air when he touched it then it's still not finished until the ball hits the ground. Now if he was standing on the ground when he touched it maybe not. Let's say he touched it in the air and it fell back into the end zone and was caught or intercepted then when did the play end?

triton28 · Sep 17, 2026

mstateglfr said:
They gambled on something that uses human judgement to impact the result.
It sucks, but every game is full of human judgement that impacts the result- missed holding, missed pass interference, targeting decisions, etc etc- they all are human judgement calls that impact

I hear what you’re saying but that’s the entire premise behind betting. You’re gonna bet on some humans to win for you. But I think all bettors would agree that the finish line of that risk happens when the clock hits zero.

triton28 · Sep 17, 2026

Perd Hapley said:
You can have the feed of the stadium clock directly distributed to every camera in the stadium. This isn’t hard. The clock on a scoreboard is no different than the clock in the bottom right of your computer monitor, which is linked to a master server that syncs date / time for all Apple / Microsoft devices, etc.

Take the clock fed from whatever computer in the stadium is running it, feed it through a master database that all the cameras can link to wirelessly, so everyone’s running off the same clock feed.

The idea that they’d try to sync the clock with a video feed of the stadium clock is completely asinine to me, but that’s what NBC was arguing they did. Seriously, the tech to solve this problem has been around for a bare minimum of two decades. It’s astonishing that this problem could still exist at the scale it apparently does.

It’s like if someone shows you a picture on their phone that you think is cool, so you want a copy of it. But instead of just having them text it or AirDrop it to you, you take a picture of their phone screen. So stupid.

My understanding was that there’s one clock and the problem comes in with cameras not being synced up. I think it’s called latency. I find it hard to believe that in the world of digital media that we still have to point the camera at the game clock to show it on tv.

Perd Hapley · Sep 17, 2026

triton28 said:
My understanding was that there’s one clock and the problem comes in with cameras not being synced up. I think it’s called latency. I find it hard to believe that in the world of digital media that we still have to point the camera at the game clock to show it on tv.

That’s exactly my point. You don’t have to point the camera at the clock and deal with latency. You can hardwire the clock into the feed itself, then use an AI tool to polish it into whatever format you want to show on TV.

Until this nonsense occurred, that’s what I had assumed was being done for every football broadcast in the country for the past 20 years if not longer….because that’s not a new concept at all.

triton28 · Sep 19, 2026

Perd Hapley said:
That’s exactly my point. You don’t have to point the camera at the clock and deal with latency. You can hardwire the clock into the feed itself, then use an AI tool to polish it into whatever format you want to show on TV.

Until this nonsense occurred, that’s what I had assumed was being done for every football broadcast in the country for the past 20 years if not longer….because that’s not a new concept at all.

100% and that’s why we know it is bs. With all the live betting, game casts, live watches on YouTube and every other means to get people to throw money at the game, we already know that the clock is a digital entity. I’d like to see a true picture of what the moneyline payouts looked like for that game on either side.

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