Private school advantage? Batavia's Piron, Mount Carmel's Lynch sound off as the IHSA debates changes
Mount Carmel coach Jordan Lynch and Batavia coach Dennis Piron discuss the private/public school issue in Illinois high school football.
Won't ever happen so it doesn't matter.This has probably been discussed already but if the privates and public’s split, could the privates start their own sanctioned oversight committee and split from the IHSA?
Well, wouldn’t it have to be for every sport? If it’s just for football then that’s actually funny. And just curious but why do you think it won’t happen? I’m genuinely curious people take on this.Won't ever happen so it doesn't matter.
Hypothetically though, no they couldn't because it wouldn't be sustainable in every sport. Everyone looks at this through the tunnel vision of football. I think that would cause privates to lose more students than it would gain.
You think if football turns up their nose to the IHSA and leaves that they'd allow other sports to stay? How does that look for schools outside of the CCL? Who does Ottawa Marquette get to play? What about downstate teams like SHG where there are far fewer teams? Are there enough football playing privates to have more than 2 classes?Well, wouldn’t it have to be for every sport? If it’s just for football then that’s actually funny. And just curious but why do you think it won’t happen? I’m genuinely curious people take on this.
I can see that going to court, I personally don’t see the radius ever changing. And if it did I’m sure schools like Antioch won’t be getting any better but appreciate your take and wish your team well.You think if football turns up their nose to the IHSA and leaves that they'd allow other sports to stay? How does that look for schools outside of the CCL? Who does Ottawa Marquette get to play? What about downstate teams like SHG where there are far fewer teams? Are there enough football playing privates to have more than 2 classes?
Go listen to Edgy's most recent podcast. I enjoy a good debate on the topic, but he's absolutely right that it won't ever happen because it hasn't happened yet. There has been a divide between publics and privates for as long as the IHSA has been around so why has no public school ever proposed a separation or for those private schools who feel that they are mistreated why haven't they proposed a separation, it's been 50+ years?
Everyone's favorite DC from Antioch or keeping it related to this article, Piron could have submitted a proposal for separation at anytime so it could have potentially gone to a membership vote but it's never happened. Why not?
Will be very telling to see how good some of these teams are if the radius for athletes gets reduced, to say 15 miles in the future.
Well, wouldn’t it have to be for every sport? If it’s just for football then that’s actually funny. And just curious but why do you think it won’t happen? I’m genuinely curious people take on this.
Your first thought that they would take them to court to get their way is beyond problematic.I can see that going to court, I personally don’t see the radius ever changing. And if it did I’m sure schools like Antioch won’t be getting any better but appreciate your take and wish your team well.
I agree with his point that the 30 mile radius rule is not equal for all those it applies to but that wasn't the point of its implementation.As silly as I find the reduction in radius, having your counter argument be that part of your radius is a lake is nonsense when the rest is the densely populated city and suburbs.
35 Miles straight line distance from Village Hall.It hilarious that Lynch brings up having a kid from North Aurora which is 40 miles from MC and clearly outside the 30 mile radius.
Hmm, AI seemed to lie to me. I had it as 37.5 miles is the absolute closest. I am not up to speed on my North Aurora boundaries.35 Miles straight line distance from Village Hall.
Yeah, but I'm finding no area of NA that is 30 miles from Mt. Carmel. That being said, he probably lives on the East side of Aurora, nobody claims that.Hmm, AI seemed to lie to me. I had it as 37.5 miles is the absolute closest. I am not up to speed on my North Aurora boundaries.
Yep and the Village hall is on the east boundryHmm, AI seemed to lie to me. I had it as 37.5 miles is the absolute closest. I am not up to speed on my North Aurora boundaries.
What’s problematic is the state making specific education difficult in a free countryYour first thought that they would take them to court to get their way is beyond problematic.
You may be in for a surprise when it comes to the radius.
What does the state have to do with IHSA rules?What’s problematic is the state making specific education difficult in a free country
It’s a private organization with rules dictated by the membership any school is free to leave and do their own thing not sure why people can’t understand this.What does the state have to do with IHSA rules?
Can we also stop pretending this has anything to do with education?What’s problematic is the state making specific education difficult in a free country
They can be inside the radius as well.I'm no mathematician but Schaumburg,Winfield,Lisle, and Bolingbrook might be a tad outside
the lines.
I think private schools are continuously trying to improve every facet of their school to increase enrollment or at least hold steady. Private schools compete with private schools for students as well as public, especially in the Chicagoland area. So when some start making improvements, whether it is academic buildings or sports related, other private schools take notice. For example, St. Francis has remodeled and updated both main wings of school over past two summers but that is not as exciting to talk about as JCA proposing a new football field.I'd like to call out what I think is an error from the article. It says private schools haven't been as dominate in basketball. While the privates have not been as good as they are in football, the privates have been doing much better in basketball than they did in the past. Privates had typically done well in football and have improved some now. Privates had won 1 state title in the largest class of basketball until Benet won in '25. Last year you had 3 of the final 4 being privates. This is a huge improvement.
I think privates are doing better than they use to in a wide range of sports (baseball, soccer, girls sports, you name it). Several of these schools have invested heavily in facilities (Marist, Benet, Larry, Iggy, etc.). This improvement in sports has come at the same time that enrollments have been going down.
I suspect a lot of the catholic schools have struggled with enrollment due to people generally being less religious and publics being at least as good academically. They seem to be prioritizing sports to boost enrollment and it seems to be working.
Thoughts? Does anyone have any idea what type of financial assistance some of these athletes get?
Meanwhile massey has 1A LeWin as the favorite over 7A Benet tomorrow (by 14 points).
I'd like to call out what I think is an error from the article. It says private schools haven't been as dominate in basketball. While the privates have not been as good as they are in football, the privates have been doing much better in basketball than they did in the past.
Huh???I may be wrong but I think many private schools look at basketball as being a women's sport.
Many of these private schools main #1 mens sport in the winter is focused on wrestling
You're wrong. Privates have won 9 basketball titles since 2020 and only 5 Wrestling. Prior to 2020 Montini was the only private that was consistently winning.I may be wrong but I think many private schools look at basketball as being a women's sport.
Many of these private schools main #1 mens sport in the winter is focused on wrestling
I may be wrong but I think many private schools look at basketball as being a women's sport.
Many of these private schools main #1 mens sport in the winter is focused on wrestling
Huh???
I get that it is happy hour, but what are you taking about?I may be wrong but I think many private schools look at basketball as being a women's sport.
Many of these private schools main #1 mens sport in the winter is focused on wrestling