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Pitt B10 Talk Again.
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Even the Pitt emoji imbecile doesn't attempt to post anything about Pitt. Instead, he pollutes threads with disproven crap about Joe and CSS .
Why? Up until recently, IU did not sell out their games. Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, MInnesota, UCLA, Michigan State....they don't sell out their games.
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UNC, NC St, and VT aren’t exactly football success stories. I’m not sure how they move the needle much beyond a name on paper.
UNC has done nothing in football up to this point. Their academic prestige may be there, but was also tainted by the discovery of fake classes for athletes years ago. Also, I told you guys several years ago that the XM college football guys began discussing the realignment of the B1G and SEC expansions will eventually lead to an NFL like playoff system. They started reporting this back when it was announced that USC was leaving for the B1G. This isn’t new news, it’s been the goal from the higher ups all along.
I would agree on academics, but again, the football team is largely an afterthought at UVa behind bball, baseball, and lacrosse. Although, those UVa sports would drastically improve the reputation of the B1G.
The posters who are advocating to add Pitt have obviously never attended a PSU-Pitt game in Pittsburgh.
I understand what you're saying but, JMO, I believe "football prestige" is way overrated in these decisions. I'm not convinced Clemson doesn't get left out.
The worst animalistic behavior ever.
The sheep in the nearby University Farms pasture were really nervous about the Pitt fans. ;-)
Wastecoast24 a change of names and more stalking with emoji.
They have a short YouTube clip on the discussion. Again, I have no idea how credible they are. It popped up in my X feed.
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UNC and NCS are tied together at the hip politically and honestly have little control over that situation.
The SEC taking NCS is a political reality. VT and VA (also have political ramifications) is a move to help get VA and completely shut the Big 10 out of VA. VT is on the Big 10 list of schools they have interest in and might try to take them if other offers fall apart.
States the Big 10 really want to be in for varying reasons are VA NC GA and FL.
While people continue to point to football prowess it has never been all about football, see MD and RU. For instance, the Big 10 has serious interest in Duke who in football doesn't move the needle either. The presidents still vote and have their own interests and agendas.
In ACC country one of two things will take place between the Big 10 and the SEC, either it's going to be a Battle Royal for schools, or they will work out an unwritten agreement as to who gets certain schools then maybe do battle over certain schools such as a UNC and a Miami.
I think the SEC and ESPN have the ability to shut the Big 10 out of the BIGs most desired teams but maybe not the financial appetite to do so.
I think the BIG 10 schools that will control this next expansion for the BIG are PS MD RU OSU MSU MI and WI. WI because they always do what MI wants because WI has always been MI's little Toady. Those schools seem to be all in on VA DUKE UNC GT and Miami. It seems PS MD RU OSU and MI would also vote for sPitt should the BIG 10 offer.
The Big Scoop as some are calling the next expansion, my question is will there actually be a Big Scoop? It seems more likely today. I just don't know how any conference could integrate 4-6 or even 8 schools at the same time. IMO that would be an administrative nightmare.
Has USF come up in recent conversations as a plan C to get into the state of Florida and that huge market? I know they obviously do not move the needle in any sport, but they are a very large school that is an AAU member. Isn’t AAU status still a requirement for the Conference?
Thanks for the info. Very informative. I realize it isn’t all about football. Let’s be realistic, it’s about money. Everything is about money. Guess what sport generates the most money, especially in the B1G? Football. So, in a round about way, the administrators at these “prestigious”’schools like Duke, UVa, UNC, GT, etc can talk about the academics, research, etc all they want, but money will win out in the decision from both sides of the negotiations
All true but if the SEC/Big Ten break away (which seems inevitable) then they're negotating based on games more than markets. If CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX all want 3 games while needing 8 for ESPN/ESPN2 and 4 for FS1--that's 24 games--you need about 56 teams to make that happen with bye weeks. We're going to see NFL like money spent by the networks
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I also heard from the basketball guys that Duke is the big fish in the expansion. Like you said there are not much in football but bringing them in for basketball as well as some other girls sports would be worth more than any of the other football related schools could bring.
Yearly conference matchups with Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, etc., are what they are looking at
I can’t see women’s sports being a draw in these mega conferences. It’s all about generating more income to pay to players and create margin.
That feels like what the basketball guys desperately want to believe
Penn State isn't going to play Pitt every year and they're not getting into the B10
Duke basketball would be a great get for sure and a bonus. But Duke is being pursued more for their international prowess in overseas markets where they are huge compared to most universities.
The new frontier is international markets and it's going to be enormous. That's where some of those universities are ahead of the game. We tend to see things in the here and now, but these moves are being made for 20 years down the road.
Ive heard them discussed and they are on some lists but IMO they would be a last gasp offer if a bunch of other things fell apart. I actually like them and see their potential down the road.
Pitt has all of the downsides of UMD without any of the upside.
If Pitt were otherwise the same school, but were located in (say) Charlotte, NC then yes they might be a decent consideration for the Big Ten. I would still doubt it but they would at least be in the conversation if the Big Ten were adding another team and needed a partner to keep the league at an even number. As it is though, they bring nothing of particular value to the table that the Big Ten would want.
The only schools that are going to "move the needle" to be considered for expansion are IMHO UNC, FSU or Miami (FL) plus of course Notre Dame - or some team from the SEC that wouldn't consider it like Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia or Florida. I don't think UVA brings enough financially to the table, but they'd be a good fit. Clemson ostensibly would be a consideration but I don't think the Big Ten would consider them academically up to snuff.
If Pitt were otherwise the same school, but were located in (say) Charlotte, NC then yes they might be a decent consideration for the Big Ten. I would still doubt it but they would at least be in the conversation if the Big Ten were adding another team and needed a partner to keep the league at an even number. As it is though, they bring nothing of particular value to the table that the Big Ten would want.
The only schools that are going to "move the needle" to be considered for expansion are IMHO UNC, FSU or Miami (FL) plus of course Notre Dame - or some team from the SEC that wouldn't consider it like Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia or Florida. I don't think UVA brings enough financially to the table, but they'd be a good fit. Clemson ostensibly would be a consideration but I don't think the Big Ten would consider them academically up to snuff.
Either Duke or UVA could be a complimentary addition (i.e. the second team you take along with the one you want in order to keep the conference at an even number of teams). Georgia Tech would also be in the running for that status. None of them would be a team you expand in order to get on their own.
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Texas Tech, never see mentioned, would be an interesting consideration to break in to Texas. Has strategic initiative to get AAU acceptance, large school, good hoops, solid football, Texas.
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Georgia Tech, Arizona and Utah all have value for us in addition to UNC and UVa. FSU, Miami and Clemson are all very overrated in terms of value IMO.
Notre Dame, UNC, UVa, Arizona, Utah, Georgia Tech, one of Miami, Ga Tech, Houston, Colorado and probably NCSU or Duke to round out it out to get the B1G to 28
Houston > TTU in terms of marketability IMO but Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU all have some logic to me
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