OT: We may win the World Cup in 2026

Doctor Worm

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Oh my! The Swiss player Embolo faked a dive, which the ref ruled as a yellow card for an Argentine player, but the VAR reversed the call, taking away the yellow from the Argentine player, which necessitated giving the yellow card to Embolo, who was already on a yellow card and that then led to a red card for Embolo. Very harsh, but that's the way the rule is written (the ref supposedly has no leeway to just cancel the yellow on the Argentinian player).
I thought yellow cards were not reviewable, except for possible upgrade to red. I don't understand why the play was reviewed.
 

RU05

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Ease up buddy. Even the announcers and Clattenberg are calling it harsh.
Which is ridiculous

Swiss player who should know he has a yellow already takes the most blatant dive ive seen this WC.

it sucks for him and the swiss that he made such a stupid decision, but he did.

Really poor job by the announcers.
 
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-RUFAN4LIFE-

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What just happened to Switzerland seems to be a rule that needs changing. So because the referee gave a yellow card to Paredes on Argentina (obvious mistake based on the video), the VAR decision has to be either uphold a stupid decision or give a yellow card to the Swiss player? Which is his second yellow, and now the Swiss are down to 10? Huh?
Did you say this when the first ever card for this was issued to the Paraguayan player against the US? That rule is absolutely needed to stop all the flopping and diving.

Instead of blaming the rule, look squarely at the player who was already on a yellow card. Not smart on their part to risk it.
 
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I thought yellow cards were not reviewable, except for possible upgrade to red. I don't understand why the play was reviewed.
This is the mistaken identification rule, anytime a yellow issued to a player where the opponent simulated the foul the referee will be called to the monitor to review and if he agrees with VAR a yellow will be issued to the player that simulated the foul while the original card is rescinded.
 

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This is the mistaken identification rule, anytime a yellow issued to a player where the opponent simulated the foul the referee will be called to the monitor to review and if he agrees with VAR a yellow will be issued to the player that simulated the foul while the original card is rescinded.
OK this is helpful, thank you. I was wondering why the decision is binary — i.e. either uphold the yellow shown initially, or issue the yellow to the other player (with no option to just retract the first yellow). This explains the rule.
 

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This is the mistaken identification rule, anytime a yellow issued to a player where the opponent simulated the foul the referee will be called to the monitor to review and if he agrees with VAR a yellow will be issued to the player that simulated the foul while the original card is rescinded.
I love the rule. The more diving they can get out of the game, the better…and that was as blatant of a dive as it gets. Stupid play to make when you’re already on a yellow.

Good use of it on Ream, and good use tonight.
 

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Amazing goal by Alvarez in the 112th minute to take the lead for Argentina. Going to be tough for the Swiss to score down a man.
 

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I'm also perplexed by the overwhelming number of people convinced the ball hit the cable in that England game and that it was a fix/inept officiating. Seeing several angles of it, I've seen nothing to show the ball hit anything or changed trajectory (and certainly not anything clear and obvious)...and the sensor in the ball backed it up (though everyone is seeming to claim that it's just proof the Croatia offside call was wrong). What am I missing?
 
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Doctor Worm

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I'm also perplexed by the overwhelming number of people convinced the ball hit the cable in that England game and that it was a fix/inept officiating. Seeing several angles of it, I've seen nothing to show the ball hit anything or changed trajectory (and certainly not anything clear and obvious)...and the sensor in the ball backed it up (though everyone is seeming to claim that it's just proof the Croatia offside call was wrong). What am I missing?
All I can say is that over the decades, FIFA has not earned the benefit of the doubt.
 

RUDiddy777

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I thought yellow cards were not reviewable, except for possible upgrade to red. I don't understand why the play was reviewed.

USMNT benefitted from the same situation in game 1 - card initially assigned to Ream then reversed and given to Paraguay.

Diving ruins the game. Sucks for the Swiss, but it’s a fair rule.
 

RUDiddy777

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I love the rule. The more diving they can get out of the game, the better…and that was as blatant of a dive as it gets. Stupid play to make when you’re already on a yellow.

Good use of it on Ream, and good use tonight.

That was my take as well, just idiotic to do that when you’re on a card already. I can empathize with an unfavorable call for a second on a tackle, but this was just not thinking at all.
 

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I'm also perplexed by the overwhelming number of people convinced the ball hit the cable in that England game and that it was a fix/inept officiating. Seeing several angles of it, I've seen nothing to show the ball hit anything or changed trajectory (and certainly not anything clear and obvious)...and the sensor in the ball backed it up (though everyone is seeming to claim that it's just proof the Croatia offside call was wrong). What am I missing?
I dunno, watching the ariel view from behind the goalie and it definitely looks like it changed direction.
 

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Garbage. Even the announcers were rooting for and tongue bathing the lackluster English team. Why Americans root for them in the WC and Euro is beyond me.
Very few Americans are rooting for England. Only the losers.

You want to see poor fan behavior. Go to the Argentina England game. They both make Philly fans look classy.
 

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FIFA claiming the England ball didn’t hit the camera cord is wild. You can literally see it. England Argentina brings more eyeballs than the Swiss would. Crazy how corrupt soccer is. American sports are so much cleaner. Subjectivity in soccer makes it ripe for fixing.
 

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Very few Americans are rooting for England. Only the losers.

You want to see poor fan behavior. Go to the Argentina England game. They both make Philly fans look classy.

And like Philly fans, it’s a hell of a lot of fun to drink and root for their team with them.
 
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I dunno, watching the ariel view from behind the goalie and it definitely looks like it changed direction.
It was obvious on review and more obvious when it happened and the players immediate reaction. 2 guys immediately pointed at the same thing. It’s obvious.
 

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And like Philly fans, it’s a hell of a lot of fun to drink and root for their team with them.
Yea beating up Santa Claus and having a jail in your stadium is super cool too. Seeing Argentine hooligans fight with the ugly English will be fun.
 

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There is no way that ball comes down straight the way it did unless it hit something - it’s a as clear as day and it’s unfortunate for Norway

I get it that the ref not video off had proof but boy is it clear the anybody who had a rational mind

Doesn’t mean Norway would have won because if England is down 1-0 in second half, they have different tactics than 1-1.

But it’s too bad as Norway was the underdog - country with a population of greater Atlanta more known for winter sports

Was a great story!

Now who do we root for among 4 giants in soccer?

Ugh
 

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There is no way that ball comes down straight the way it did unless it hit something - it’s a as clear as day and it’s unfortunate for Norway

I get it that the ref not video off had proof but boy is it clear the anybody who had a rational mind

Doesn’t mean Norway would have won because if England is down 1-0 in second half, they have different tactics than 1-1.

But it’s too bad as Norway was the underdog - country with a population of greater Atlanta more known for winter sports

Was a great story!

Now who do we root for among 4 giants in soccer?

Ugh
The expanded format and brackets turned out to be 100% meaningless. What a surprise! :)
 

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I dunno, watching the ariel view from behind the goalie and it definitely looks like it changed direction.
The view from behind looks to me like he sliced it and it travels on a natural path…and the view from the side also looks natural (it doesn’t drop straight down as some claim). I’m definitely not seeing this obvious change of direction.

And the claims that a bunch of players pointed at it immediately aren’t true (at least from what I’ve seen).
 
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FIFA claiming the England ball didn’t hit the camera cord is wild. You can literally see it. England Argentina brings more eyeballs than the Swiss would. Crazy how corrupt soccer is. American sports are so much cleaner. Subjectivity in soccer makes it ripe for fixing.
Sport doesn’t have a known ending
Only the ref somewhat knows/determines when the game ends

so if you have the football and you keep making positive yards the game clock won’t end

the game doesn’t end unless basketball hits the court or team makes last shot

as long as the puck stays in offensive zone game clock won’t expire

not knowing how many strikes the last 2 hitters get in the bottom of the ninth

ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE STUPID AND COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS

We’ll that’s how SOCCER ends its games

cause it’s to American to stop the clock , rolling on the ground in intense agony will gain you nothing while the game clock is stopped

I’ve enjoyed the intensity but I would enjoy it more if I didn’t have to keep telling my wife ….”oh look another guy just died on the field , I hope he can pull thr—— oh wait he’s up and running again !!”
 
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The view from behind looks to me like he sliced it and it travels on a natural path…and the view from the side also looks natural (it doesn’t drop straight down as some claim). I’m definitely not seeing this obvious change of direction.

And the claims that a bunch of players pointed at it immediately aren’t true (at least from what I’ve seen).
Not sure what you are looking at - many angles show the ball hitting something, changing direction and coming straight down

Even if it sliced, it wouldn’t come straight down like that after arching up

And yes the Norway coach pointed up
 

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Not sure what you are looking at - many angles show the ball hitting something, changing direction and coming straight down

Even if it sliced, it wouldn’t come straight down like that after arching up

And yes the Norway coach pointed up
Watch the video (I just watched it again)...the Norway coach didn't point at all (at least when it happened), as he's just standing still watching the play and drinking his water.

And the ball didn't come straight down...looked to me like it came down on a pretty normal trajectory for one that was popped up a bit with a little slice.
 
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Watch the video (I just watched it again)...the Norway coach didn't point at all (at least when it happened), as he's just standing still watching the play and drinking his water.

And the ball didn't come straight down...looked to me like it came down on a pretty normal trajectory for one that was popped up a bit with a little slice.
The closest players immediately pointed it out. Impossible in the heat of a game to coordinate that on the fly. You can also see they were off line from where they expected the ball to land. It’s irrelevant that it “didn’t come straight down”. It skimmed it clearly changing the angle it wouldnhsve landed otherwise. By rule that makes it a dead ball. But soccer rules are very flexible and change on whims.
 

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Sport doesn’t have a known ending
Only the ref somewhat knows/determines when the game ends

so if you have the football and you keep making positive yards the game clock won’t end

the game doesn’t end unless basketball hits the court or team makes last shot

as long as the puck stays in offensive zone game clock won’t expire

not knowing how many strikes the last 2 hitters get in the bottom of the ninth

ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE STUPID AND COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS

We’ll that’s how SOCCER ends its games

cause it’s to American to stop the clock , rolling on the ground in intense agony will gain you nothing while the game clock is stopped

I’ve enjoyed the intensity but I would enjoy it more if I didn’t have to keep telling my wife ….”oh look another guy just died on the field , I hope he can pull thr—— oh wait he’s up and running again !!”
The Euros and their American (almost always woke) fanboys don’t like that American sports are so much cleaner and can’t admit the simple fact soccer rules and administration of those need to brought into this century. It’s all so antiquated. Outside of VAR which they constantly get wrong, what rules have been added or changed? The clock is an obvious one. I’m on numerous text strings where everyone says the same thing. The clock thing is idiotic.
 

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The closest players immediately pointed it out. Impossible in the heat of a game to coordinate that on the fly. You can also see they were off line from where they expected the ball to land. It’s irrelevant that it “didn’t come straight down”. It skimmed it clearly changing the angle it wouldnhsve landed otherwise. By rule that makes it a dead ball. But soccer rules are very flexible and change on whims.
Can you tell me which players immediately pointed it out? (No one actually did from every video I’ve seen)

The England player looked like a center fielder tracking a ball…never any sudden change of direction, more just reading the ball and moving to it.
 

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Can you tell me which players immediately pointed it out? (No one actually did from every video I’ve seen)

The England player looked like a center fielder tracking a ball…never any sudden change of direction, more just reading the ball and moving to it.
Yup. 2 players stopped and pointed. Even a player from England stopped and looked up. Horrendous botch by the refs.
 

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Why wasn't a foul called on in England in the box when the ball hit the cross bar and a Norwegian player was just about to head it in before getting blasted from behind by two English players? Is that not reviewable because no goal was scored? Should have been a penalty shot for Norway.