Soccer and the "our best athletes play something else" opinion

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
The NBA is full of great American athletes
Since 2021, 21 of 30 all first team players have been non-Americans
Since 2019, all MVPs have been non-Americans.

How long before Americans duplicate that in soccer?
 

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
Got to fix the "pay for play" youth systems first. USA didn't get out-athleted vs Belgium. They got out-soccered.
Yup. You don't need to be the best athlete do be a center back. Just a really good one who learns proper technique and positioning.
 
  • Like
Reactions: patdog

sigma_dawg

Junior
Sep 6, 2025
398
206
42
I think when a few billionaires believe they can make huge money off kids playing, and be within the law for foreseeable future, we will see a lot of money invested in massive youth programs across the country. Until that time though, whatever makes the most money for the powers that be will likely be the direction we go. Soccer has a lot to compete with in this country. Tough road ahead to join the upper echelon. So much can be said imo
 

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
I think when a few billionaires believe they can make huge money off kids playing, and be within the law for foreseeable future, we will see a lot of money invested in massive youth programs across the country. Until that time though, whatever makes the most money for the powers that be will likely be the direction we go. Soccer has a lot to compete with in this country. Tough road ahead to join the upper echelon. So much can be said imo
Americans are owners or part of majority ownership in 11 of 20 EPL clubs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: patdog

Darryl Steight

All-American
Sep 30, 2022
4,184
6,987
113
It won't, because those players are going overseas anyway to the EPL or whatever.
I'm fine with this (for now), as going over there and playing with the other best players in the world makes them better. As long as they come back and play for us every 4 years. Our best players have been in Europe for a few years now and you can clearly see who is up to the competition (Pulisic, Richards, Adams, Robinson, McKennie, Balo) and who's not (Tim Ream).

I'd love for all of those guys to be playing in the MLS right now, but we have some work to do yet for that to happen. For now, they have to go play against the best.
 

sigma_dawg

Junior
Sep 6, 2025
398
206
42
Americans are owners or part of majority ownership in 11 of 20 EPL clubs.
There’s a massive audience over there and it’s the primary sport. It won’t be over here for our entire lifetimes. Great job solidifying the point I was trying to make.
 

sigma_dawg

Junior
Sep 6, 2025
398
206
42
For the youth in this country, there’s probably a greater financial incentive to invest in Case-Oh’s YouTube channel than invest in youth soccer.

I’m sure the media and fans will bat around a bunch of ideas and thoughts for a week or so and then most folks will be onto WNBA/MLB. I don’t expect much to change on the soccer front. We “arrived” 30 years ago and here we are.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,981
29,328
113
I'm fine with this (for now), as going over there and playing with the other best players in the world makes them better. As long as they come back and play for us every 4 years. Our best players have been in Europe for a few years now and you can clearly see who is up to the competition (Pulisic, Richards, Adams, Robinson, McKennie, Balo) and who's not (Tim Ream).

I'd love for all of those guys to be playing in the MLS right now, but we have some work to do yet for that to happen. For now, they have to go play against the best.
To be fair, Tim Ream was a serviceable center back for Crystal Palace in the Premier for several years. He's 38 years old now and the fact he was even an option to make the roster, not to mention start, says a LOT about lack of player development in the USA.
 

Darryl Steight

All-American
Sep 30, 2022
4,184
6,987
113
To be fair, Tim Ream was a serviceable center back for Crystal Palace in the Premier for several years. He's 38 years old now and the fact he was even an option to make the roster, not to mention start, says a LOT about lack of player development in the USA.
I know, I'm sort of picking on him there. But that last game... WOOF.
 
  • Like
Reactions: patdog

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
He was good in the group stage and exposed by more aggressive, technically skilled team. Maybe Trusty was still injured. He should have been taken off at halftime.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Darryl Steight

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,981
29,328
113
I know, I'm sort of picking on him there. But that last game... WOOF.
Yep. It was just a matter of time, and finally facing a good opponent. The team is still generally pretty young and going forward the next 4 years we should be at least OK at the midfield and forward positions, and with Richards & Freeman in back. But someone else has to step up as CB and someone has to step up at GK.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Darryl Steight

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
For the youth in this country, there’s probably a greater financial incentive to invest in Case-Oh’s YouTube channel than invest in youth soccer.

I’m sure the media and fans will bat around a bunch of ideas and thoughts for a week or so and then most folks will be onto WNBA/MLB. I don’t expect much to change on the soccer front. We “arrived” 30 years ago and here we are.
Financial incentives, social incentives and perhaps the incentive mentioned in the above tweet are some factors
 
  • Like
Reactions: sigma_dawg

GloryDawg

Heisman
Mar 3, 2005
20,099
18,111
113
I think the athletic talent or ability of a 6 foot 7 is not the talent you need for Soccer. Now let's go to the NFL, take all the DB's, WR's and running backs, let them play soccer their entire life then put that team together for the World Cup. It would be the most athletic team in the world. Our women kick *** in soccer, but they don't have the same professional opportunity men do. So, our best females go there where our men goes somewhere else. We have the most and the best athletes in the world. Just look at our Olympic Track and Field metal count.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HRMSU and patdog

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
I think the athletic talent or ability of a 6 foot 7 is not the talent you need for Soccer. Now let's go to the NFL, take all the DB's, WR's and running backs, let them play soccer their entire life then put that team together for the World Cup. It would be the most athletic team in the world. Our women kick *** in soccer, but they don't have the same professional opportunity men do. So, our best females go there where our men goes somewhere else. We have the most and the best athletes in the world. Just look at our Olympic Track and Field metal count.
Our women got a head start with Title IX and soccer dads and moms who invested in and traveled with their kids. Despite when some nitwits say, we have a society that really invests in women and benefits them in ways few are willing to acknowledge and in ways that other countries don't. Europe finally started to invest in soccer and they have caught up. Saying repeatedly "we have the best athletes in the world" and pointing to some random sport doesn't make it so. Speed helps but it's not like the best soccer players are all those who run the fastest over the shortest distance. Does running fast over short distances mean you have outstanding eye/foot coordination and stamina? Anyway, if you look at the actual medal count at the Olympics, Europe beats us and by far. So does the EU if you just look at that collection of countries. In the past decade, the NBA started looking to Europe and now we see what's going on. College basketball teams are now scouting Europe for players. We have enough athletic talent to be consistently in the Top 10 or Top 5. I don't even know if we have the best female athletes in the world but we have enough to be awesome in soccer on a regular basis.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sigma_dawg

sigma_dawg

Junior
Sep 6, 2025
398
206
42
Cape Verde with a population equal to Jackson, MS took #1 team in world to the brink. May have been a one-off but anyone know what kind of system they have in place?
 

GloryDawg

Heisman
Mar 3, 2005
20,099
18,111
113
Our women got a head start with Title IX and soccer dads and moms who invested in and traveled with their kids. Despite when some nitwits say, we have a society that really invests in women and benefits them in ways few are willing to acknowledge and in ways that other countries don't. Europe finally started to invest in soccer and they have caught up. Saying repeatedly "we have the best athletes in the world" and pointing to some random sport doesn't make it so. Speed helps but it's not like the best soccer players are all those who run the fastest over the shortest distance. Does running fast over short distances mean you have outstanding eye/foot coordination and stamina? Anyway, if you look at the actual medal count at the Olympics, Europe beats us and by far. So does the EU if you just look at that collection of countries. In the past decade, the NBA started looking to Europe and now we see what's going on. College basketball teams are now scouting Europe for players. We have enough athletic talent to be consistently in the Top 10 or Top 5. I don't even know if we have the best female athletes in the world but we have enough to be awesome in soccer on a regular basis.
I don't care about women sports. I like real football. We do have the best athletes in the world when it comes to men. When it comes to Track and Field which is the real measure of athletic ability in the Summer Olympic the United States have won 823 metals. Great Britan is number two with 211. I will let my statement ride on that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HRMSU

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
Look at those Dominicans in baseball. And a Japanese dude is currently the best player in MLB.
 

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
I don't care about women sports. I like real football. We do have the best athletes in the world when it comes to men. When it comes to Track and Field which is the real measure of athletic ability in the Summer Olympic the United States have won 823 metals. Great Britan is number two with 211. I will let my statement ride on that.
823 metals??? It's not what your favorite sport is although that might explain some of your opinions. It's about the accuracy of your posts. We won 124 medals in the 2024 Olympics. The UK won 65 which is better per capita. EU countries won over 300 medals although their population is about 100 million more than ours. We have some of the best male and female athletes in the world. I suspect gymnastics is a greater measure of athletic ability than track and field. Basketball too. And soccer
 

L4Dawg

All-American
Oct 27, 2016
11,333
7,809
113
If you are a good at soccer in Europe, you are already being scouted by pro clubs by the time you are 7-8 years old. You may even be signed by one at that age. You get professional coaching from then through the rest of your career. I'm not talking about a professional coach like a high school coach here. I'm talking about real pro coaches who are part of a pro club set up. Even the ones that don't get picked up by a true pro club have many other options. There are smaller semi pro clubs that also have real professionals coaching. Take England for example. There are 92 fully professional clubs in the Football League in England. There are 24 in the next level down and nearly all of them are also fully professional. All 116 of those have youth set ups and most have an academy or something like it. Then you have several tiers of semi pro and amateur leagues below that. A lot of those have real pro coaches too and many have youth programs. There are 747 clubs in the top nine levels that are eligible for the FA Cup. There are two more levels below that that are really large. If you are a player at any of those you will be constantly evaluated and you will move up if you are good enough. It's a thorough and comprehensive system and dragnet for talent, and an equally comprehensive coaching system to support it.
 
Feb 18, 2025
181
213
43
If you are a good at soccer in Europe, you are already being scouted by pro clubs by the time you are 7-8 years old. You may even be signed by one at that age. You get professional coaching from then through the rest of your career. I'm not talking about a professional coach like a high school coach here. I'm talking about real pro coaches who are part of a pro club set up. Even the ones that don't get picked up by a true pro club have many other options. There are smaller semi pro clubs that also have real professionals coaching. Take England for example. There are 92 fully professional clubs in the Football League in England. There are 24 in the next level down and nearly all of them are also fully professional. All 116 of those have youth set ups and most have an academy or something like it. Then you have several tiers of semi pro and amateur leagues below that. A lot of those have real pro coaches too and many have youth programs. There are 747 clubs in the top nine levels that are eligible for the FA Cup. There are two more levels below that that are really large. If you are a player at any of those you will be constantly evaluated and you will move up if you are good enough. It's a thorough and comprehensive system and dragnet for talent, and an equally comprehensive coaching system to support it.

All that for a boring a55 sport played by a bunch of floppin' beotch a55 hoes.
 

sigma_dawg

Junior
Sep 6, 2025
398
206
42
I love women’s sports and not surprisingly they are the only sports growing in America. Exploding actually. Women don’t act like drama queens, cry over fouls, fake injuries, etc…

I think if there’s a world wide fatty competition our men would win every gold medal on the planet. 🤣

I don’t think this is as simplistic as having more access to camps and “development centers.” This is a VERY simple sport, not complex. Italy has some of the most respected youth development programs on planet earth and they haven’t qualified for the last 3 World Cups.
 

greenbean.sixpack

All-American
Oct 6, 2012
9,206
8,583
113
1. Soccer is boring for most, we as Americans, like excitement, baseball, football and basketball are always adjusting rules to bring about more scoring. There is excitement around the WC (like the olympics), but that excitement is time limited.
2. We already have 3 dominant sports (4 if you count CFB) and a ton of other things vying for our attention. Soccer is "the" sport in many other countries.
3. Professional soccer in the US is NEVER going to be on par with the rest of the world unless football goes away.
 
Last edited:

Podgy

All-Conference
Oct 1, 2022
3,757
4,274
113
1. Soccer is boring for most, we as Americans, like excitement, baseball, football and basketball are always adjusting rules to bring about more scoring.
2. We already have 3 dominant sports (4 if you count CFB) and a ton of other things vying for our attention. Soccer is "the" sport in many other countries.
3. Professional soccer in the US is NEVER going to be on par with the rest of the world unless football goes away.
We're top 20 now. Not sure that's our ceiling. Top 10 is doable.
 

greenbean.sixpack

All-American
Oct 6, 2012
9,206
8,583
113
Soccer is akin to watching the infamous Barn/ State 3-2 game on repeat. If virtually every CBF game was like that, CFB will quickly become a minor sport.
 

Darryl Steight

All-American
Sep 30, 2022
4,184
6,987
113
Soccer is akin to watching the infamous Barn/ State 3-2 game on repeat. If virtually every CBF game was like that, CFB will quickly become a minor sport.

Well that's a terrible example. I think the numbers are confusing you. It amazes me that everyone watches a 21-7 football game (which has 4 scoring plays) and has no complaints, but a 3-1 soccer game (the same number) in half the time (an hour and a half vs. 3 hours of real time) but the soccer game is somehow "boring as hell". They're pretty much the same thing. And I won't get into 9 innings of an agonizingly boring 3-1 baseball game.

I played both football and baseball, and love those sports. I enjoy watching both. But you'd have to admit there's a lot of downtime between plays in football, and certainly a lot of everyone standing around waiting for some action between pitches in baseball. I get that it's super cool to be in the anti-soccer crowd, but the outrage confuses me.

I have brought this up before, but people literally sit and watch golf, hockey, curling, bowling, downhill skiing, bike riding, drag racing, cornhole, horse jumping, dog shows, and many many MANY other way more boring sports on ESPN all the time. But soccer gets the hate for some reason.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
58,981
29,328
113
Well that's a terrible example. I think the numbers are confusing you. It amazes me that everyone watches a 21-7 football game (which has 4 scoring plays) and has no complaints, but a 3-1 soccer game (the same number) in half the time (an hour and a half vs. 3 hours of real time) but the soccer game is somehow "boring as hell". They're pretty much the same thing. And I won't get into 9 innings of an agonizingly boring 3-1 baseball game.

I played both football and baseball, and love those sports. I enjoy watching both. But you'd have to admit there's a lot of downtime between plays in football, and certainly a lot of everyone standing around waiting for some action between pitches in baseball. I get that it's super cool to be in the anti-soccer crowd, but the outrage confuses me.

I have brought this up before, but people literally sit and watch golf, hockey, curling, bowling, downhill skiing, bike riding, drag racing, cornhole, horse jumping, dog shows, and many many MANY other way more boring sports on ESPN all the time. But soccer gets the hate for some reason.
I’ve run the numbers before. The rate of goals per hour in soccer is comparable to TDs per hour in nfl football.
 

Villagedawg

All-Conference
Nov 16, 2005
2,264
2,263
113
Could it possibly, maybe, potentially be that we just aren’t as exceptional as we think we are? Every parent’s child is clearly gifted or at least above average and the cutest kid ever. *
 
  • Like
Reactions: patdog

horshack.sixpack

All-American
Oct 30, 2012
11,640
8,656
113
The NBA is full of great American athletes
Since 2021, 21 of 30 all first team players have been non-Americans
Since 2019, all MVPs have been non-Americans.

How long before Americans duplicate that in soccer?
Our wealthiest athletes can afford to play at the highest level. Parents pay so there is incentive to keep fat rosters and multi-tiered “highest level”. If players were seen as assets like they are in Europe and clubs paid for training and transfers and got a cut of players professional contract we would have a chance. At present less than 2% of US soccer youth players are from homes making less than $50k a year. Being expensive is the biggest impediment
 

MSUDC11-2.0

Heisman
Sep 29, 2022
10,121
15,805
113
I’ve run the numbers before. The rate of goals per hour in soccer is comparable to TDs per hour in nfl football.
I’ve always viewed a goal as the equivalent of a TD in American football. I.e. If Monday night were an American football game we got beat by 3 TD’s.
 
  • Like
Reactions: patdog

MSUDC11-2.0

Heisman
Sep 29, 2022
10,121
15,805
113
I think we’ve made some slow progress in recent years with some of these academies that have popped up, but it’s extremely slow progress and the same youth level problems we’ve had for decades still exist for the most part.

I think it took way too long for us to realize that you can’t develop soccer players like other sports where it’s heavily dependent on high school and college for development. In soccer if you are turning pro at 21 or 22 you’re already way behind.
 
  • Like
Reactions: patdog