Mavericks pursuing Jon Scheyer and Dusty May
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As long as the Mavs stay clear of Billy Donovan. 
This happens all the time in the NBA. they will settle for a washed-up has-been NBA coach with 1000 losses. It always happens. Recycle Rinse and Repeat.
Still funny to me that Scheyer is put into this coaching atmosphere. He has had the level of talent equivalent to what cal had his first 5-6 years and sh** away two titles these last two years. And doing so with historically bad collapses to close games.
He is ***. He is just getting the special recruiting help from Shiteshefski, Nike, USA basketball, etc.
He is ***. He is just getting the special recruiting help from Shiteshefski, Nike, USA basketball, etc.
I can't see Scheyer every leaving Duke. They will have to fire him for him to leave.
I also don’t think Sheyer will ever leave Duke, he was appointed coach by Splinter, he’s not going anywhere. NBA veterans are NOT going to listen to a baby faced kid who coaches at Duke, they just won’t. As for May, he might make it in the NBA but he’s got a baby face too. It’s a slippery slope for young college coaches to make it very long, although some have.
Why ******* go to the nba? Leave a good thing you know your good at to coach guys who don’t give a **** and can be gone by tmrw
Don’t see Sheyer as anything but a college coach. May could be another story.
I don't see Dukes coach leaving. Not until he at least wins his alma mater a championship. Michigans coach could very well take off like flash to the NBA.
I just hope they'll keep their hands off our Pope
Agree, cant see Scheyer killing it in the NBA. Personally can see May way before Scheyer. Not many guys have had success going college to pro. Totally different animal.
Yrah those guys last night looked like they don't give a ****. I swear we have the dumbest fans in the world
Yep they usually recycle the same old guys
because to most in the actual profession.....NBA is the dream, not college. Dusty can go spend 10 years in the pros coaching for 3 different teams. and can still fall back to a great coaching job in college. college is the backup plan.
To be honest...I'm not seeing much difference between college and the NBA now days. Sucks because the NBA is boring to me. And obviously the passion for college sports is being sucked out. It clearly isn't the same when it comes to Kentucky Basketball and I'm not just talking about Pope and the last couple seasons
F Billy Donovan. He has turned us down so many times I can't believe anyone wants to fo that route again. Might as well tape a kick me sign to your rumpAs long as the Mavs stay clear of Billy Donovan.
No it wouldn’t. Pope is not a good coach. And his teams don’t compete. Give him Duke’s roster and he will win 63% of the games.
Thats bull**** and you know it lol
We need scheyer to stay at Duke. Any coach actually good would've already won a few titles already.
Disagree. Scheyer is an outstanding coach. If he were to stay at Duke for the same timeframe as K did, I won’t be surprised if he winds up with 3-5 titles. He’s a great in-game coach, excellent recruiter, and a wonderful motivator and is great at assembling rosters. I hate Duke but anyone saying Scheyer isn’t a good coach is probably saying so because that’s what they want to believe.
Winning titles is extremely difficult and he’s only been at Duke for four seasons and already has a Final Four and an all-time game winner was needed to keep him from a second one.
I think we want Scheyer at Duke for as long as possible. Hes their weak link IMO.
NBA is a better gig.
Coaches just have to coach.
They don’t recruit. They don’t have to schmooze donors.
They don’t have to win hearts and minds of fans.
They answer to one mega billionaire owner who most likely don’t care because he’s so rich. Even the owners who are more hands on, that’s more of the GM’s problem.
Coaches just have to coach.
They don’t recruit. They don’t have to schmooze donors.
They don’t have to win hearts and minds of fans.
They answer to one mega billionaire owner who most likely don’t care because he’s so rich. Even the owners who are more hands on, that’s more of the GM’s problem.
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and if you are terrible its ok because you get a high draft pick in the lottery (at least you used too). and even newbie coaches make a boat load. jj redick, who i think is an average coach with just 2 years coaching makes 9 million a year. plus probably a bunch of other stuff.
I don’t know. If he keeps knocking on the door then he will eventually break through it. We need their recruiting to fall off bad.
Its not so much that hes a bad coach, although I think you can sort of make the case that he's pretty average.. but its what hes given. Lets run it down. Duke is:
Top3 in money spent for their roster.
1st in recruiting team rankings
1st in overall recruiting pitch (I dont know how players buy this brotherhood stuff but they do).
Top3 in cheating/NCAA protection.
1st in officiating protection.
Top2 home court environment.
1st in media coverage/glorification.
Play in a garbage conference.
To not get a title with all that going for you, you simply cant be that great of a coach. In terms of the rankings above, "head coach" would be the only thing outside of "top3", but realistically, Scheyer isnt even top10. Head coaching is Duke's weakest link right now. Imagine if Dusty May was there where he'd be getting a +8 free throws.
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I disageee. I think his system is working really well. He’s always a 1 seed and it’s not lile he’s losing 10 games a year. His losses are to championship caliber teams and they usually come down to a crazy play (Houston and UConn). That's just basketball.
It’s really hard to win with young guys, no matter how talented they are and it’s even harder when you have a brand new team every year.
If you get a shot to coach in the NBA, you do it. The money is better and you don't have to recruot, or develop young players.
The contracts are handled by a GM and it’s up to the players to perform. The coach doesn't get the heat the players do. It’s the opposit in college.
And what's the "babyface" stuff? Why does that matter? Look at Brad Stevens. That guy has a babyface and look at his career path.
The contracts are handled by a GM and it’s up to the players to perform. The coach doesn't get the heat the players do. It’s the opposit in college.
And what's the "babyface" stuff? Why does that matter? Look at Brad Stevens. That guy has a babyface and look at his career path.
I believe May would be a really good fit with an NBA group. Seems like a great guy who would respect and get respect from those men in the league. Jon, not so much in my opinion. Never know who’ll work until they coach.
I too wouldn't be surprised if he won multiple titles, but that's because of Nike recruiting for him.
Like I said, if he was any good he'd already have a few titles. Thank God he isn't.
Many in our fanbase have a habit of doing this thing where we make an assumption based on a truth i.e. Duke has a favorable relationship with Nike.....and then ASSUME that makes our inferences from that known.
None of us can definitively know what percentage of Scheyer's success is related to Nike versus what percentage is his own set of traits.
Also, the idea that he hasn't won enough titles in a sample size of four seasons is kind of crazy for a couple of reasons. Since the tournament expanded in 1985, has any coach regularly won championships at a 25% clip? No. Your expectation is that Scheyer outperform every coach in the modern era or it is substandard....patently absurd. Furthermore, the idea that having the most talent means you win is simply false to start with. Until someone can quantify the idea that the most talent equals titles, coaches that have the kind of success Scheyer has should deserve a little respect.
And, yes, I hate Duke. They are my #1 rival, personally. But as a CBB fan, I always have to feel like I'm at least trying to be objective and honest. Scheyer is being held to a higher standard than anyone in recent history.
Both would be as good as their rosters in the NBA. May is the better coach of the 2, but Scheyer's plays seems to love him. Neither would make much more money in the NBA and their buyout would most likely decrease significantly. It is a coaching only gig in the NBA vs the year round recruiting of college. This is the 2nd coaching search to mention May, which has to have you thinking that his agent has made it known that he is interested in the jump. Scheyer on the other hand, I can't see him leaving Duke unless the current rules change and take away his $40m advantage.