UK and Gonzaga have discontinued their series. I say make it a 4 game deal. Spokane on campus, the rock, msg and the Seattle arena.
Sha should call Few
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Had a great time at MSG when we played the opener under bg - we lost. Zags lost to Duke in the headliner. My son and I sat by a bunch of zags fans, great guys. Were west coasters making it a Christmas week in nyc. My son had to get some stuff from his dorm at nyu, so we went down there and as we walked to his dorm, we ran into the zaga guys out for a night in the Village. I remember most of that night clearly, but have no clue who beat us lol. (not a complaint)
I don’t know the specifics of MSG but my guess is that is hard to schedule. Obviously they have a partnership with SJU that has become a lucrative one the last few years to the point where SJU is now trying to get MSG involved in all facts of the basketball program. Other power 5 teams like UConn, Duke, etc have long standing relationships and are able to get access for a game or two. Not sure where we would be in any pecking order but it’s probably an uphill climb even with a good partner to make the pitch.
I had a distributor in Spokane years ago. His wife worked in the Zags athletic department. Just the nicest people and loved to talk hoops.
Would love to play them but not sure we'd benefit from playing them at MSG rather than the Rock.
Sounds great but What’s the pitch to Few? How do we make their schedule better. Few looks for big time programs Michigan, Duke, Oregon, Kentucky, UCLA. We better have a good sales pitch as to why we belong on their OOC schedule. Hey we see you and Kentucky aren’t playing can we have next isn’t going to get it done.
Virginia Tech, and I recall it being kind of an ugly game
Personally, I don't think they would agree to an even split. They can do better than lock in a deal with us and would probably want an extra home game.
Wait a minute you are telling me a member of a reformed pac 12 is dictating to a legacy big east program...isnt the big east a power league in hoops?
Maybe instead of the Zags another school that might be more interesting for us to schedule, willing to schedule us and a school that is very competitive is St Marys. They seem to compete very well against the Zags and make the big dance quite often.
Saint Mary’s Gaels NCAA Tournament History
Saint Mary’s College of California’s men’s basketball team has a long and storied history in the NCAA Tournament, with 15 appearances dating back to 1959 Wikipedia+1.
Saint Mary’s Gaels NCAA Tournament History
Saint Mary’s College of California’s men’s basketball team has a long and storied history in the NCAA Tournament, with 15 appearances dating back to 1959 Wikipedia+1.
Overall Record
- Total NCAA Tournament record: 8 wins, 15 losses (8–15) HERO Sports+1
- Sweet Sixteen appearances: 1959, 2010 HERO Sports
- Elite Eight appearances: 1959 Wikipedia
- Final Four / Championship: None Sports-Reference.com
Notable Appearances & Results
- 1959 – Elite Eight run; beat Idaho State 80–71, lost to California 46–66 www.palmbrackets.com
- 1989 – Lost WCC Tournament final to Clemson www.palmbrackets.com
- 1997 – Lost WCC Tournament final to Wake Forest www.palmbrackets.com
- 2005 – Lost WCC Tournament final to Southern Illinois www.palmbrackets.com
- 2010 – Sweet Sixteen; beat Richmond and Villanova, lost to Baylor www.palmbrackets.com+1
- 2012 – Lost WCC Tournament final to Purdue www.palmbrackets.com
- 2013 – Beat Middle Tennessee, lost to Memphis www.palmbrackets.com
- 2017 – Beat VCU, lost to Arizona www.palmbrackets.com
- 2019 – Lost to Villanova www.palmbrackets.com
- 2022 – Beat Indiana, lost to UCLA www.palmbrackets.com
- 2023 – Beat VCU, lost to UConn www.palmbrackets.com
- 2024 – Lost to Grand Canyon www.palmbrackets.com
- 2025 – Beat Vanderbilt, lost to Alabama www.palmbrackets.com
- 2026 – Lost first-round to Indiana HERO Sports
Key Wins
- Idaho State (1959)
- Richmond (2010)
- Villanova (2010)
- Middle Tennessee (2013)
- VCU (2017, 2023)
- Indiana (2022, 2025)
- Vanderbilt (2025) HERO Sports
Samhan's Double-Double Keeps Saint Mary's Undefeated - SMC California Athletics
Dec. 1, 2007 -->Box Score --> MORAGA, Calif. (AP) - -->Omar Samhan --> scored six straight during a key second-half stretch and finished with 19 points and a...
Dude, it's Gonzaga.
Remember when we laughed at RU scheduling UNC and going three in Chapel Hill, one at home and one at MSG. That's what this is.
It's all about the money at this point anyway. We don't need an even split as long as we're happy with the rate they're buying the extra home game at. That goes for any opponent.
Teams that schedule with the idea that they'll only go on the road, or at least agree to an even split, with opponents they view as worthy are leaving money on the table. Personally, I'd take the opposite approach of only hosting opponents that we can sell out the rock for. For anyone else, we're better off taking the cash for a road buy game. Can't let pride get in the way of sound business.
Sound business also needs to factor in expenses for buy road games as well.
Of course. I'd expect our guarantee for said hypothetical game to cover those at minimum. If not, you don't take it. Even if that's all it would do, it beats playing a half empty home game at a loss.
No non-conference home game at The Rock is at a loss. Averaged 7,461 fans for 4 games this past season. At $50 per ticket (may be low) that's $373,000 in revenue.
Walsh is a different story, we shouldn't play any games there.
Well that's inflated by the Rutgers game, which isn't in question. The other 3 have public attendance numbers (which are universally inflated across the industry) averaging 6,200, but that's not really my point.
Comparing that attendance to the other 11 games establishes it as somewhat of a baseline, mostly season ticket holders. I'm guessing 90+% of the money those games gross is in before the schedule is known and wouldn't leave if we played the same team, played someone else or shortened the home schedule by a game.
The only money I'm viewing OOC games as really "making" for us is what's sold on top of season tickets... And then profitability comes to how that number comes to the cost to turn the lights on but I don't have a clue what that is. Maybe it's low enough that I'm wrong about being net negatives but I'd still argue they leave money on the table.
Attendance numbers typically reflect tickets sold rather than turnstile count. If we're selling 7,500 tickets per game at $50 a pop. We're doing ok.
Mind you my ticket (midcourt under the hard camera) cost me about $75 a game last year including Pirate Blue fee.
On the other hand, we can't charge enough for Walsh games to make it worth the while.
The base for announced attendance is usually tickets out : sold + comps. And I'm not definitively saying SHU does this, but it's frequently further inflated beyond that.
I'm just saying that announced attendance number leaves a lot of questions unanswered.