FC/OT: New York Times' 30 Greatest Living American Songwriters.

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Really interesting to hear Rick Rubin talk about songwriting approaches by some of the artists he's worked with, including one on this list. From the below, can you tell which quote belongs to a person on this list and who that artist is? Bonus if you can name the other two.

"I've worked with artists who do it completely different ways,"

"You know, you see like, Artist 1, he's always writing in a book, always writing, all the time. And he's always got notebooks writing.
"And I asked him, 'Are these all rhymes to use?' He's like, 'No, no, 99 percent or whatever I'll never use, it's just to stay engaged in the process of writing and finding new ways to write, so that when I need it, it just comes.'"

Contrasting this process with Artist 2, he continued: "Artist 2 doesn't write anything down. He just listens to the beat, and hums, hums, and then goes on the mic 20 minutes later and just says a whole complicated, complicated verse."
He added: "I don't know how he can remember it, much less have just written it and just be able to do it like free. It's crazy."
He continued: "When we were recording 'Generic Song', I played the beat for him, he likes the beat, and he says, 'OK just keep playing it.'
"And then he sits in the back of the control room on the couch and you just hear him humming. As I say, 15 or 20 minutes, and then he jumps up like, 'OK, I got it.'
"Then he goes in - no paper, no writing, nothing - and delivers the whole thing. Then he says, 'Let's try it again,' and then he does it again.
"The words will be the same, but the phrasing will be different."
Rubin added that he'd never seen anyone work like that before.

Rubin then went on to discuss his recent work with Artist 3, who he's produced two albums for this year.

Rubin said: "The way Artist 3 works, the singer will hear the music and he'll sing along, but he'll sing along with an idea of a melody, but he doesn't yet have words, and just sing nonsense words.
"He'll just sing along making up nonsense words - automatically, real time - and then he listens back and says, 'Oh OK, this phrase in this spot sounds good, and this phrase in this spot sounds good, what else goes with that?'
"It's like a puzzle where you fill in the rest. You don't necessarily have an idea what the song is going to be about, or you might not even know what the song is about until you finish - you might not even know after it's finished."
 

razpsu

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My opinion is that Billy Joel absolutely belongs on the list, despite having written some of the schmaltziest pop songs in the last 50 years. "The Stranger" was an absolutely brilliant album, but you can't tell me "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant" wasn't schmaltzy. And to me it got worse, as some of the examples upthread pointed out.
It was his version of a day In The life by the Beatles. It wasn’t schmaltzy. What idiot even said that to begin with regarding song writers. Wonder how many beatle songs that person thinks is schmaltzy. Let it be, yesterday, long and winding road?
 
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PSU87

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One person interviewed said he was too 'schmaltzy' but not in a bad way; just that some thought others were better at it (noting I do not see a 'schmaltzy' writer on this list better than Billy Joel...).
Billy himself admits he models a lot of hus stuff off other artists. Just as one example, he freely admits Scenes From an Italian Restaurant is modeled on The Beatles A Day in the Life.
While I think he's great, it could be they just didn't consider him "original" enough.
 
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PSU87

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My opinion is that Billy Joel absolutely belongs on the list, despite having written some of the schmaltziest pop songs in the last 50 years. "The Stranger" was an absolutely brilliant album, but you can't tell me "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant" wasn't schmaltzy. And to me it got worse, as some of the examples upthread pointed out.
Scenes from an Italian Restaurant wasn’t schmaltzy.

The piano solo alone is worth the price of admission.
 

Midnighter

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Really interesting to hear Rick Rubin talk about songwriting approaches by some of the artists he's worked with, including one on this list. From the below, can you tell which quote belongs to a person on this list and who that artist is? Bonus if you can name the other two.

"I've worked with artists who do it completely different ways,"

"You know, you see like, Artist 1, he's always writing in a book, always writing, all the time. And he's always got notebooks writing.
"And I asked him, 'Are these all rhymes to use?' He's like, 'No, no, 99 percent or whatever I'll never use, it's just to stay engaged in the process of writing and finding new ways to write, so that when I need it, it just comes.'"

Contrasting this process with Artist 2, he continued: "Artist 2 doesn't write anything down. He just listens to the beat, and hums, hums, and then goes on the mic 20 minutes later and just says a whole complicated, complicated verse."
He added: "I don't know how he can remember it, much less have just written it and just be able to do it like free. It's crazy."
He continued: "When we were recording 'Generic Song', I played the beat for him, he likes the beat, and he says, 'OK just keep playing it.'
"And then he sits in the back of the control room on the couch and you just hear him humming. As I say, 15 or 20 minutes, and then he jumps up like, 'OK, I got it.'
"Then he goes in - no paper, no writing, nothing - and delivers the whole thing. Then he says, 'Let's try it again,' and then he does it again.
"The words will be the same, but the phrasing will be different."
Rubin added that he'd never seen anyone work like that before.

Rubin then went on to discuss his recent work with Artist 3, who he's produced two albums for this year.

Rubin said: "The way Artist 3 works, the singer will hear the music and he'll sing along, but he'll sing along with an idea of a melody, but he doesn't yet have words, and just sing nonsense words.
"He'll just sing along making up nonsense words - automatically, real time - and then he listens back and says, 'Oh OK, this phrase in this spot sounds good, and this phrase in this spot sounds good, what else goes with that?'
"It's like a puzzle where you fill in the rest. You don't necessarily have an idea what the song is going to be about, or you might not even know what the song is about until you finish - you might not even know after it's finished."

For those interested, the artists are:

1 - Eminem
2 - Jay-Z*
3 - Red Hot Chili Peppers/Anthony Kiedis

* = on list