Honda posts first annual loss in 69 years

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Why hardly anyone is making a plug in hybrid is crazy. Battery powered for around town and gas for the long trip. Best of both worlds, but oh no, we can’t do what makes the most sense.
 

mstateglfr

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Point on the doll where the EV touched you.
It’s a crazy emotional response.

I could actually back up each of my statements with examples of how business decisions I mentioned have been successful in the past for related markets/industries.

And in response, I get that tantrum.

Oh well.
 
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17'n EPA mandates have killed engine reliability. Give me a non AFM/DOD GM 5.3 V8 that will last forever with minimal maintenance. Hell, even Toyota ditched the bulletproof 5.7 V8 and other engines for the new twin turbo v6 and v4 that have pretty significant issues.

There is a reason you see so many 20+ year old chevy/ford/dodge pickups driving around. Because they last forever. EPA mandates began neutering them around 2007. I've also noticed wealthy people that prefer older toyota/lexus suv's with the reliable v8's.

and don't get me started on the new fad of putting a massive ipad in the console to replace the trusty, reliable buttons and knobs.
This shouldn’t be controversial but it will be.
 

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I'll say this about Nissan quality. I had a 2012 Altima from 2012 - 2021. It was a great and super reliable car. Never had anything but routine maintenance in 150,000 miles.
This pisses me off more than you know. I see similarities between us and that aggravates me sometimes.

I drove a 2013 from 2015 to 2022. Friends made fun of me but it was a good vehicle.
 
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paindonthurt

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There is a lot of odd joy in this thread.
One manufacturer pivoting on its EV plans is not evidence of anything beyond the very well documented reality that the manufacturer has struggled with implementing EVs into its lineup.

- 20% of global vehicles sales are EV. Honda just locked themselves out of 20% of sales. If they are good with that, so be it.

- Honda focusing on hybrids makes good sense if they are wanting to focus on the coming 5 to 10 years.

- Manufacturers having 2 or 3 good EVs in their lineup helps them compete for a market that very much exists. It's no different from having 2 or 3 AWD vehicles or having a good truck option.

- Just because an EV wouldn't work got you and your situation doesn't mean EVs as a market are bad/dumb.
^ It seems like this should be a sticky atop this message board, given the frequency that many posters seem to fall back to that line of thinking.
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patdog

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This pisses me off more than you know. I see similarities between us and that aggravates me sometimes.

I drove a 2013 from 2015 to 2022. Friends made fun of me but it was a good vehicle.
Not the most fun to drive vehicle I’ve had. But a damn good reliable vehicle. And I fixed the “no fun” when I traded it on my Mazda 6 turbo.

edit; and if we agreed on everything it would be boring.
 
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Now do the math for EV’s over that same time, including the time value of money for the purchase price difference.
Naw, I'm too lazy, just to many variables in the equation. But with the prices of new vehicles today, a "massive V8" would probably set you back some serious dinero.
 

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17'n EPA mandates have killed engine reliability. Give me a non AFM/DOD GM 5.3 V8 that will last forever with minimal maintenance. Hell, even Toyota ditched the bulletproof 5.7 V8 and other engines for the new twin turbo v6 and v4 that have pretty significant issues.

There is a reason you see so many 20+ year old chevy/ford/dodge pickups driving around. Because they last forever. EPA mandates began neutering them around 2007. I've also noticed wealthy people that prefer older toyota/lexus suv's with the reliable v8's.

and don't get me started on the new fad of putting a massive ipad in the console to replace the trusty, reliable buttons and knobs.

What are the issues with the twin turbo V6 Toyota? I just bought a 2000 Land Cruiser.....it just glides.
 

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Love my Ridgeline. Had a full size Chevy and Nissan in the past for towing 6-7k. No longer tow so I downsized since I live in the burbs and also do a good bit of city driving. Turns out it has more payload than either of them. I know it's unibody and therefore "not a real truck" but I probably use mine as a truck more than the folks I see driving heavy duty trucks out here in suburbia. Rides well on snow and ice as well. Even has a trunk with a drain in the bed that will secure my golf clubs. I wouldn't use it for anything more than light off-roading though.

I considered a Tacoma but 1) bigger than what I wanted, 2) too expensive, 3) didn't want a turbo 4 this early in their lifecycle. Seemed like changing for sake of changing.
Just making sure you do realize that you just openly admitted that you love your HONDA RIDGELINE!! Do you wear blue dress socks with your velcro imitation berkinstocks, and have a leather belt loop phone holder on your hip

*Full admission, I test drove a Ridgeline 11 years ago and walked away thinking, damn, that is actually a good truck!
 
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Honda has never made a great SUV or Truck.

They nailed the car & vans but there is a missing category to their inventory. The Highland, Tundra, Explorer, Tahoe, Sierra, F150, etc all kill Honda's
Give me a Honda Passport over a Ford Explorer any day of the week and twice on Sunday
 
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Meanwhile Ford was up 13% yesterday.

ETA: Up another 9% currently.
Ford has put on hold its EV portion of their F-150 truck plant (Blue Oval City) in Stanton, TN. They will still go ahead with their battery plant expectations though.....making batteries for other companies' EVs. In the future when EVs become a viable alternative for most of the world, then they'll restart it for such. For now, they are retooling the Truck EV plant to assemble the gas ones.
 
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There is a lot of odd joy in this thread.
One manufacturer pivoting on its EV plans is not evidence of anything beyond the very well documented reality that the manufacturer has struggled with implementing EVs into its lineup.

- 20% of global vehicles sales are EV. Honda just locked themselves out of 20% of sales. If they are good with that, so be it.

- Honda focusing on hybrids makes good sense if they are wanting to focus on the coming 5 to 10 years.

- Manufacturers having 2 or 3 good EVs in their lineup helps them compete for a market that very much exists. It's no different from having 2 or 3 AWD vehicles or having a good truck option.

- Just because an EV wouldn't work got you and your situation doesn't mean EVs as a market are bad/dumb.
^ It seems like this should be a sticky atop this message board, given the frequency that many posters seem to fall back to that line of thinking.
There were a lot of people that were saying an EV wouldn't work for them, we didn't have sufficient infrastructure, they preferred an ICE, etc. Some of the auto industry totally ignored them and jumped head first into the EV market and now it's biting them in the ***. It's really not odd that the people who were disregarded would find that satisfying.
 
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mstateglfr

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There were a lot of people that were saying an EV wouldn't work for them, we didn't have sufficient infrastructure, they preferred an ICE, etc. Some of the auto industry totally ignored them and jumped head first into the EV market and now it's biting them in the ***. It's really not odd that the people who were disregarded would find that satisfying.
You think people wanting ICE vehicles have been ignored? I mean yeah, some of the industry has ignored that group- Tesla and Rivian have ignored that group.
But that doesn't mean the group has been ignored. There is ready access to ICE vehicles of all shapes, sizes, and prices.

And you think EVs are biting manufacturers in the àss? Again, in some instances that is accurate. But in many instances, it is completely absurd to say EVs are biting manufacturers in the àss.
Some manufacturers are doing well with EVs and some aren't...which is how most industries operate.

Trying to make Honda sucking at EVs be anything more than what it is- a manufacturer didn't do a product well- is just pushing a claim to justify a bias.
 
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57stratdawg

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Global adoption rates of EV’s has been good. It’s slower here (we have so much space, etc.), but we’re buying a million or two of them a year. That’s not nothing.

By the way, the price of fossil fuels has wrecked the popularity of two straight ADMINs. The great EV vs Gas debate kinda sucks on both sides right now.