Why hardly anyone is making a plug in hybrid is crazy. Battery powered for around town and gas for the long trip. Best of both worlds, but oh no, we can’t do what makes the most sense.
It’s a crazy emotional response.Point on the doll where the EV touched you.
This shouldn’t be controversial but it will be.17'n EPA mandates have killed engine reliability. Give me a non AFM/DOD GM 5.3 V8 that will last forever with minimal maintenance. Hell, even Toyota ditched the bulletproof 5.7 V8 and other engines for the new twin turbo v6 and v4 that have pretty significant issues.
There is a reason you see so many 20+ year old chevy/ford/dodge pickups driving around. Because they last forever. EPA mandates began neutering them around 2007. I've also noticed wealthy people that prefer older toyota/lexus suv's with the reliable v8's.
and don't get me started on the new fad of putting a massive ipad in the console to replace the trusty, reliable buttons and knobs.
This pisses me off more than you know. I see similarities between us and that aggravates me sometimes.I'll say this about Nissan quality. I had a 2012 Altima from 2012 - 2021. It was a great and super reliable car. Never had anything but routine maintenance in 150,000 miles.
And in the process killed a lot of used car dealers.That reminds me of the federal government's Cash for Clunkers campaign. Where we spent billions taking perfectly functional vehicles off the roads and into landfills.
There is a lot of odd joy in this thread.
One manufacturer pivoting on its EV plans is not evidence of anything beyond the very well documented reality that the manufacturer has struggled with implementing EVs into its lineup.
- 20% of global vehicles sales are EV. Honda just locked themselves out of 20% of sales. If they are good with that, so be it.
- Honda focusing on hybrids makes good sense if they are wanting to focus on the coming 5 to 10 years.
- Manufacturers having 2 or 3 good EVs in their lineup helps them compete for a market that very much exists. It's no different from having 2 or 3 AWD vehicles or having a good truck option.
- Just because an EV wouldn't work got you and your situation doesn't mean EVs as a market are bad/dumb.
^ It seems like this should be a sticky atop this message board, given the frequency that many posters seem to fall back to that line of thinking.
Not the most fun to drive vehicle I’ve had. But a damn good reliable vehicle. And I fixed the “no fun” when I traded it on my Mazda 6 turbo.This pisses me off more than you know. I see similarities between us and that aggravates me sometimes.
I drove a 2013 from 2015 to 2022. Friends made fun of me but it was a good vehicle.
Well… did you tell him to 17 off?I bought a 2013 Tacoma from a friend because he wanted a new one. He called me two days after getting his new truck asking if he could buy his old one back.
Of course not, I’m a capitalist. He didn’t like the price I gave him, so I still have the truck.Well… did you tell him to 17 off?
Naw, I'm too lazy, just to many variables in the equation. But with the prices of new vehicles today, a "massive V8" would probably set you back some serious dinero.Now do the math for EV’s over that same time, including the time value of money for the purchase price difference.
17'n EPA mandates have killed engine reliability. Give me a non AFM/DOD GM 5.3 V8 that will last forever with minimal maintenance. Hell, even Toyota ditched the bulletproof 5.7 V8 and other engines for the new twin turbo v6 and v4 that have pretty significant issues.
There is a reason you see so many 20+ year old chevy/ford/dodge pickups driving around. Because they last forever. EPA mandates began neutering them around 2007. I've also noticed wealthy people that prefer older toyota/lexus suv's with the reliable v8's.
and don't get me started on the new fad of putting a massive ipad in the console to replace the trusty, reliable buttons and knobs.
Have you seen the new 2 row Passports? Fire!! I have a 22 and a 23 Passport. Had a 17 and 23 Ridgeline. We have had 2 Pilots.
Just making sure you do realize that you just openly admitted that you love your HONDA RIDGELINE!! Do you wear blue dress socks with your velcro imitation berkinstocks, and have a leather belt loop phone holder on your hipLove my Ridgeline. Had a full size Chevy and Nissan in the past for towing 6-7k. No longer tow so I downsized since I live in the burbs and also do a good bit of city driving. Turns out it has more payload than either of them. I know it's unibody and therefore "not a real truck" but I probably use mine as a truck more than the folks I see driving heavy duty trucks out here in suburbia. Rides well on snow and ice as well. Even has a trunk with a drain in the bed that will secure my golf clubs. I wouldn't use it for anything more than light off-roading though.
I considered a Tacoma but 1) bigger than what I wanted, 2) too expensive, 3) didn't want a turbo 4 this early in their lifecycle. Seemed like changing for sake of changing.
Give me a Honda Passport over a Ford Explorer any day of the week and twice on SundayHonda has never made a great SUV or Truck.
They nailed the car & vans but there is a missing category to their inventory. The Highland, Tundra, Explorer, Tahoe, Sierra, F150, etc all kill Honda's
Ford has put on hold its EV portion of their F-150 truck plant (Blue Oval City) in Stanton, TN. They will still go ahead with their battery plant expectations though.....making batteries for other companies' EVs. In the future when EVs become a viable alternative for most of the world, then they'll restart it for such. For now, they are retooling the Truck EV plant to assemble the gas ones.Meanwhile Ford was up 13% yesterday.
ETA: Up another 9% currently.
There were a lot of people that were saying an EV wouldn't work for them, we didn't have sufficient infrastructure, they preferred an ICE, etc. Some of the auto industry totally ignored them and jumped head first into the EV market and now it's biting them in the ***. It's really not odd that the people who were disregarded would find that satisfying.There is a lot of odd joy in this thread.
One manufacturer pivoting on its EV plans is not evidence of anything beyond the very well documented reality that the manufacturer has struggled with implementing EVs into its lineup.
- 20% of global vehicles sales are EV. Honda just locked themselves out of 20% of sales. If they are good with that, so be it.
- Honda focusing on hybrids makes good sense if they are wanting to focus on the coming 5 to 10 years.
- Manufacturers having 2 or 3 good EVs in their lineup helps them compete for a market that very much exists. It's no different from having 2 or 3 AWD vehicles or having a good truck option.
- Just because an EV wouldn't work got you and your situation doesn't mean EVs as a market are bad/dumb.
^ It seems like this should be a sticky atop this message board, given the frequency that many posters seem to fall back to that line of thinking.
It's really more of a validation that the EV strategy was foolish.What am I missing? Why is there joy over Honda losing money?
Throw all the Rogues in there too. Not just Hinds County. All of them.Every 17n Altima with hinds county plates.
You think people wanting ICE vehicles have been ignored? I mean yeah, some of the industry has ignored that group- Tesla and Rivian have ignored that group.There were a lot of people that were saying an EV wouldn't work for them, we didn't have sufficient infrastructure, they preferred an ICE, etc. Some of the auto industry totally ignored them and jumped head first into the EV market and now it's biting them in the ***. It's really not odd that the people who were disregarded would find that satisfying.