Confirmation of football underachievement?
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But we beat SMU and Boise State in the 2024 playoffs! Enough reason for BGJ to steal another $100 million from the university.
This is about your cousin BGJ and his pathetic underachiements in big games. I have the utmost confidence in Campbell and know he will be actually win big games. If he doesn't perform like BGJ didn't then he too should be canned.
Big Game's record versus ranked opponents while at Vanderbilt was 1-8.
No this is about the overall record against ranked opponents on the list. Since ISU’s record was worse than Penn State’s maybe you should get a clue.
This graphic doesn't show anything. You would expect a team ranked #20 to lose to a team ranked #2. So the #2 team is now 1-0 against ranked teams and the #20 team is 0-1. Does that really tell us anything? If you are the #1 or #2 team in the country like OSU or Alabama had been for years, then you are going to play a number of ranked teams and still be significantly better than the other team.
People just see what they want to see.
People just see what they want to see.
Lol! ISU isn't comparable to the talent at PSU. Oh you are butt hurt about BGJ being canned!
They also didn't play Ohio state every year. They were losing games to Ohio university, west Virginia, Memphis, northern Iowa and Kansas.
Yea I mean all those other coaches at Vandy, before and after Franklin, were just killing it.
The other thing for sure is the Franklin Derangement Syndrome rages on.
Yea I'm thinking there is probably a little more nuance to that but that would require some critical thinking and not just rage.
yep a better chart would be split on Records against higer or equally ranked teams and record against lower ranked teams..that is of course assuming the rankings actually have any significant value in the first placeYea I'm thinking there is probably a little more nuance to that but that would require some critical thinking and not just rage.
There are only 10 schools on the list with winning records against ranked teams. Arguably, the ones below those top 10 are "second-tier" schools. It does point out that without Oregon and Washington, the B1G would have only one team (OSU) in the top 10. Be interesting to revisit the list in about 4 years or so and see how Oregon and Washington are faring in the B1G, and whether they're still in the top 10 of this list.
Also note that Penn State is the 8th B1G team on this list - solidly in the middle of the pack. (Penn State would be 4th on the list, after tOSU, UM, and MSU, tied for 4th with Wisconsin, if the West Coast teams are not included.) Also interesting that 3 B1G schools (UMd, UNL, and Rutgers) are at the bottom of the list.
I think the list gives a good idea of "pecking order," but that's about it. And I think most folks could've come up with a list like that via the Kirk Herbstreit (TM) Eye Test without looking at records against ranked teams.
So did the coaches at Iowa State before Campbell. Thus, the comparison is more apt.Yea I mean all those other coaches at Vandy, before and after Franklin, were just killing it.
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Nah, we simply don't like the sumbitch.The other thing for sure is the Franklin Derangement Syndrome rages on.
I'd much rather have come within one bone-headed play of appearing in the Natty game than to have won some "big games" but fallen short of the playoffs because we couldn't get it done elsewhere.
The program was high quality, overall, while James Franklin was here. I'm hoping Campbell can keep it going, or even improve on it, but it's sad, on a base humanity level, to see people this attached to attacking Franklin uber alles. If he was a legitimate dirtbag, while also being successful as a coach ... OK, I would get that people would be this attached to disparaging him (I'd probably be one of them). But seeing as that wasn't even close to the case ... let it go, Elsa. At some point you have to grow up and move on.
Considering that Iowa State is Iowa State, count me in as being impressed. They are not that far behind historical blue blood PSU.
Some PSU fans are hindered by unrealistic visions of the football program that existed 40 and even 50 years ago.
In the current Big Ten Conference, Ohio State, Michigan , Oregon and USC will more years than not, outspend and put a more talented roster on the field. Recent results require us to include Indiana. until we determine if this is a permanent or fleeting run of success.
Absent an infusion of nil cash, future results will mirror the record of the past 300 games. All of the mentioned schools will continue to employ excellent coaches (perhaps throw Washington in the mix) and using logic instead of "blind faith" we will experience the 11 or 12 win season mixed with the 8 and 9 win seasons. I wouldn't hold my breath for "excellence at the highest level" achieved by "coaching up" diamonds in the rough or brilliant game day magic. We won't have to wait long to see if this version of PSU football can win, as the schedule will never be more friendly.
In the current Big Ten Conference, Ohio State, Michigan , Oregon and USC will more years than not, outspend and put a more talented roster on the field. Recent results require us to include Indiana. until we determine if this is a permanent or fleeting run of success.
Absent an infusion of nil cash, future results will mirror the record of the past 300 games. All of the mentioned schools will continue to employ excellent coaches (perhaps throw Washington in the mix) and using logic instead of "blind faith" we will experience the 11 or 12 win season mixed with the 8 and 9 win seasons. I wouldn't hold my breath for "excellence at the highest level" achieved by "coaching up" diamonds in the rough or brilliant game day magic. We won't have to wait long to see if this version of PSU football can win, as the schedule will never be more friendly.
I'm planning two. I hear its a great experience. It will be great to see the Pitt game.
You have "confidence" in Coach Campbell and "know" he will win big games? Based on what?
His 2 touchdown lead last season vs BYU coached into a 2TD score loss? LOL
If ISU talent isn't comparable to PSU....why did we import virtually the entire ISU roster here?
Also, Big 12 competition does not match Big 10. There are a few massive holes in your arguements.
Fear not, there will be another coach (whoever occupies the job) who demonstrates human characteristics and will be the new target. The irony is we will be the ones scorched for defending them.The other thing for sure is the Franklin Derangement Syndrome rages on.
That’s one layer deep. How’d they get in those two positions in the first place? There is something else missing here - something like the average rank of the opponents for each program (or more thoroughly, records against like 1-5, 6-10, …)
Prior to 2002 OSU’s last NC was 1970. Prior to 2021 Georgia’s was 1980. Michigan shared a title in 1997 but before 2023 their last NC was in the 40's. What is different about Penn State such that it makes more sense to just give up any hope of getting better and to be happy winning games against nobodies when our peer schools (and historically, they are peers) are doing what it takes to win? Why is just giving up better? Our fans are insane for this kind of thinking but it's true what they say - people willing to settle for less often do. Glad Kraft did what he did and he should have done it three years ago. Penn State has been derailed by a legendary coach who held on too long, historic and unprecedented sanctions, and then a coach who hit his ceiling a number of years ago (and whose contract extension put Penn State in a difficult position). We're better now in many ways for firing Franklin. At least now there is the perception we're trying to get better.
Joe did that on his own. Should have retired 10 years earlier. Instead he waited til the chit hit the fan and was running for cover. Bot beat him to the punch.
Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your skills. I have repeatedly said I don’t have a problem with Franklin being fired and like Campbell. On the other hand, unlike people like you who suffer from incurable Franklin Derangement Syndrome, I don’t feel a compulsion to constantly trash Franklin and crown Campbell before he has coached a single game at Penn State. But then against I can walk and chew gum at the same time. You should work on trying to be able to do that instead of constantly posting drivel and leveling ad hominem attacks against those with whom you disagree agree.
PS As I mentioned in my prior post, ISU plays in a far weaker conference than the Big Ten.
None. Have you purchased your tickets for this year’s Big and National Championship games or will you wait until after Campbell actually coaches a game?