AJ going to be a Hawk?

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If the first thing that Desanto did when he came to Iowa was to attack a teammate in the Soldier Salute finals then do a split to give the finger to the parents' section of the crowd, he'd have been immediately dismissed and not allowed back, too.
if you think flipping the bird is bad, can you imagine going into the stands to attempt to fight a teammates family?
 
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You do realize that just like this forum, there are idiots that post in the women's basketball forum?
Of coarse. But most of them know much more about women’s hoops than I do. One big gripe is she was a good assistant coach specializing in coaching the big girls, but is not good with guards, X’s and O’s In general, interesting combos of personnel on the floor, and game time adjustments. Basically was a good assistant coach, but not cut out to be a head coach. I mainly checked in on their board after watching them blow the second round game as a 2 seed at home.
 

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AJ said this on Flowrestling’s video about him being a hawk

Hard to read much into that, he's wanted to be at Iowa for three years now. We were even on his video of finalists with PSU last year and I don't think there was ever more than a cursory conversation nor was there for PSU. I don't even think he'd require much money because he wants to be here so badly. CSB couldn't have had a whole lot of cash lying around to give him. Now they did get prize money for qualifying for the National Duals invite last year based largely on AJ finishing third, so they got a good return on their investment but it couldn't have been a big bag. Nebraska probably paid him decent because they wanted to maintain a top 3 finish and he had to be a heavyweight.
 

bnicolls

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I may not have a solid picture of how this would all look but it seems there would have to be some sort of public pledge or campaign for this to happen because the fundraising is all dependent on the allocation shifting after the fact.

To me this mean a grassroots campaign is out of the question. So does this have to be something worked out amongst donors at your level?

I feel like a concerted effort to get a significant number of lower to middle level donors who are willing to donate money directly to wrestling revenue sharing is plausible at Iowa. I just don’t know how it would look without more transparency on the process.

One option may be to add an optional $150 per ticket add on to season tickets at check out that would go directly to wrestling revenue sharing.

Like I said, I don’t have a solid picture on how this may look so just thinking out loud.
Donors had no say as to the allocation of Rev Share, to my knowledge

I would imagine that in order to get Ben to take over BB, a certain amount of Rev Share was agreed to. Then too, how much Swarm would provide as NIL to round out that package to players
 
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bnicolls

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Basketball (men’s) has a massive upside that if achieved (or even comes close) benefits all sports.

The job of the Iowa AD is to keep fans showing up for football and men’s basketball. The rest is gravy, or in the margins.
Agree 100% on the Golden Goose. Men's BB, maybe. To provide way more to WBB than wrestling is wrong.
 

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Of coarse. But most of them know much more about women’s hoops than I do. One big gripe is she was a good assistant coach specializing in coaching the big girls, but is not good with guards, X’s and O’s In general, interesting combos of personnel on the floor, and game time adjustments. Basically was a good assistant coach, but not cut out to be a head coach. I mainly checked in on their board after watching them blow the second round game as a 2 seed at home.

With her record overall and within the B10 it is tough to say she can’t coach. They had a generationally awful shooting game in round 2 which lead to their downfall.

Football NIL deals can be much higher than wrestling. If parties trusted each other you would reduce the rev share to football and increase it to wrestling. The wrestling payment would then not be subject to the scrutiny of Deloitte. This gets over that hurdle. Still have to find people willing to donate.

The issue is that if you can raise that kind of NIL dough for those sports, you can make them even stronger by keeping rev share high. As the cash cows of the athletic department, one could argue that’s the best bang for the buck overall.
 
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TheREALSpooner

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Agree 100% on the Golden Goose. Men's BB, maybe. To provide way more to WBB than wrestling is wrong.

Not sure how you can say maybe for men’s hoops. Huge upside potential for Iowa to have a strong program. The Elite 8 is going to be big for next year’s revenue.

As much as I hate to say it, attendance at home events the past several years says otherwise when it comes to WBB.

But I get it. We are wrestling fans here.
 

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With her record overall and within the B10 it is tough to say she can’t coach. They had a generationally awful shooting game in round 2 which lead to their downfall.



The issue is that if you can raise that kind of NIL dough for those sports, you can make them even stronger by keeping rev share high. As the cash cows of the athletic department, one could argue that’s the best bang for the buck overall.
You are missing the point. The
With her record overall and within the B10 it is tough to say she can’t coach. They had a generationally awful shooting game in round 2 which lead to their downfall.



The issue is that if you can raise that kind of NIL dough for those sports, you can make them even stronger by keeping rev share high. As the cash cows of the athletic department, one could argue that’s the best bang for the buck overall.
Football loses out on money in this situation. It is a way to use the wrestling donations.
 

bnicolls

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Not sure how you can say maybe for men’s hoops. Huge upside potential for Iowa to have a strong program. The Elite 8 is going to be big for next year’s revenue.

As much as I hate to say it, attendance at home events the past several years says otherwise when it comes to WBB.

But I get it. We are wrestling fans here.
WBB had many in attendance due to the CC effect. The problem is they are paying peanuts to get in. WBB remains the sport losing the most amount of money.

I have not looked at what MBB has lost in years. Yes, I do agree there should be solid upside here. I just don't know how much. I was responsible for them losing. I had not watched the first 3.5 games. Tuned in at half in game four and they blew it. Sorry All for that
 

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You are missing the point. The

Football loses out on money in this situation. It is a way to use the wrestling donations.

Wrestling donations can always be utilized.


WBB had many in attendance due to the CC effect. The problem is they are paying peanuts to get in. WBB remains the sport losing the most amount of money.

I have not looked at what MBB has lost in years. Yes, I do agree there should be solid upside here. I just don't know how much. I was responsible for them losing. I had not watched the first 3.5 games. Tuned in at half in game four and they blew it. Sorry All for that

Re: women’s hoops, no disagreement here. The revenue side is still higher than wrestling because of the number of events. BTW, I believe average attendance the year prior to CC starting news around or as greater as wrestling this past season.

MBB never loses money due to television contracts. But there was and is huge upside—in Fran’s last year they only sold 9K tickets and only 4K seats were filled. Sales were up 25% this past season and filled seats grew by close to 2x. And there’s still upside there.
 

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WBB had many in attendance due to the CC effect. The problem is they are paying peanuts to get in. WBB remains the sport losing the most amount of money.

I have not looked at what MBB has lost in years. Yes, I do agree there should be solid upside here. I just don't know how much. I was responsible for them losing. I had not watched the first 3.5 games. Tuned in at half in game four and they blew it. Sorry All for that
How Dare You Greta GIF
 

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Let me see your scenario and raise you a more likely scenario.

Ferrari loses to Barr in the semi, claims he was injured in the quarter, has proof that Barr is a cyborg, forfeits to sixth costing Iowa a fourth place trophy by a point to Iowa State.

No one remembers your claim because it is one of a million silly ones lost is a sea of capitals, exclamation points, bad spelling, and tortured grammar.
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Agree 100% on the Golden Goose. Men's BB, maybe. To provide way more to WBB than wrestling is wrong.
To provide “way more money” to WBB than wrestling is simply a product of a sold out Carver for double the number of home dates as compared to wrestling. Ticket and concession revenue matters.
 
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Sooooo I’m reading this as it’s a done deal, bet your house, make shirts with dbl birds on them for everyone
Probably a 98% chance it never happens. If by some miracle, Harvey has to develop in the room and weight room for a year behind AJ, I doubt if he takes his ball and goes home. Seems like he’s all in on Iowa, and knows the Ferrari’s. Working with AJ for a year wouldn’t hurt. Say what you want, but he has a great work ethic, could rub off on other guys.
 

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To provide “way more money” to WBB than wrestling is simply a product of a sold out Carver for double the number of home dates as compared to wrestling. Ticket and concession revenue matters.
This situation with wBB will be declining rapidly back to the norm, and with more support for wrestling the same will happen in the other direction.
 

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WBB had many in attendance due to the CC effect. The problem is they are paying peanuts to get in. WBB remains the sport losing the most amount of money.

I have not looked at what MBB has lost in years. Yes, I do agree there should be solid upside here. I just don't know how much. I was responsible for them losing. I had not watched the first 3.5 games. Tuned in at half in game four and they blew it. Sorry All for that
Bob - I dont know if you've mentioned it before or not. But I was wondering about your connection to Iowa and to wrestling, as opposed to say basketball or football and/or other schools. Would love to learn more if you care to share. Appreciate what you do for the program
 

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As a university Iowa St had to use reserve funds to get the $20.5 million needed. So wrestling raised 1 million and gave it to the athletic department and they gave it back for rev share. That can be done anywhere as long as you trust that the AD will give you the $ back
Ok, clearly something I don't understand about rev share. I thought it was simply money a school received, which they were then allowed to funnel to specific programs as they see fit. Why does a U have to raise any money for this? Do they have to pay with existing funds first, after which rev share reimburses that?
 

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Ok, clearly something I don't understand about rev share. I thought it was simply money a school received, which they were then allowed to funnel to specific programs as they see fit. Why does a U have to raise any money for this? Do they have to pay with existing funds first, after which rev share reimburses that?

The revenue sharing formula comes from the average revenue earned by the P4 schools. It was capped at 22 percent, which averaged out at 20.5 million. So for some school 22 percent might actually be 25 million, but they can still only distribute 20.5 of that. Other schools 22 percent may come to 18 million. But if they get enough elsewhere they can still share up to 20.5, which sounds like ISU did. Not every school is going to spend 20.5 million if they don't actually have it though. and some schools opted out altogether.
 

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When you looked at attendance in Carver dropping year by year and obvious fan apathy it was not a tough decision whatsoever. And again, I'm not saying she can't be good or won't be good, I just don't think she has done anything yet to be called - "she's that good."
Correct. Ben made the Elite Eight which is great, but if isn't consistent then who gives a damn? We shall see.
 

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The revenue sharing formula comes from the average revenue earned by the P4 schools. It was capped at 22 percent, which averaged out at 20.5 million. So for some school 22 percent might actually be 25 million, but they can still only distribute 20.5 of that. Other schools 22 percent may come to 18 million. But if they get enough elsewhere they can still share up to 20.5, which sounds like ISU did. Not every school is going to spend 20.5 million if they don't actually have it though. and some schools opted out altogether.
Ok, I think where I got lost was in thinking $20.5M was being given to each school through some larger revenue stream from the NCAA/conferences, like larger conference/NCAA tv contracts. Not $ from local revenue generated from ticket sales, concessions, marketing, etc. that they were just given permission to now distribute to athletes.
 
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Ok, I think where I got lost was in thinking $20.5M was being given to each school through some larger revenue stream from the NCAA/conferences, like larger conference/NCAA tv contracts. Not $ from local revenue generated from ticket sales, concessions, marketing, etc. that they were just given permission to now distribute to athletes.

The NCAA has far less revenue stream than the big schools have (we are one of them)
 
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