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I thought we were supposed to be rewarding people for trying to score points. Perhaps, they will call it the PSU rule since it seems like another way to close the gap with the competition and make sure PSU does not continue to break records. And perhaps, this was the wrestling gods correcting an injustice since 3rd was probably better than 1st in this instance. Robideau only had to win one bonus point bout to outscore PJ, but he did not.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articl...-than-1st-at-the-ncaa-wrestling-championships
 
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pbohan1 said:
I thought we were supposed to be rewarding people for trying to score points. Perhaps, they will call it the PSU rule since it seems like another way to close the gap with the competition and make sure PSU does not continue to break records. And perhaps, this was the wrestling gods correcting an injustice since 3rd was probably better than 1st in this instance. Robideau only had to win one bonus point bout to outscore PJ, but he did not.

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Sure looks like a solution in search of a problem to me.
 
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One interesting point I picked up on from the article is that Levi scored the most team points of any wrestler - 26.5. Maybe that was mentioned in another post but it’s the first time I was aware of it.
 
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I pay Flow but don’t like or respect them. They are a necessary evil to follow my favorite team.
I now live in South Carolina so my ability to watch matches in Rec Hall is limited due to the 615 mile drive it requires each way to attend. I am not unbiased in my opinions. I don’t have any desire to hear anyone that is not Penn State Fan.
 
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What a cherry picking article. Only three glaring examples over 80 placements to support the argument. 8th at 125. 3rd at 157. 4th at 197. Several others where the diff was 1 point or less, but that could be considered noise. Seems like much ado about nothing at all. Seems like the scoring system actually works.

if anything, reduce MFF in consis to a decision.
 
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More to come, but....

In the current scoring system (2001 - 2026) there have been 309 instances of a top 7 wrestler getting outscored by a lower finishing wrestler in the 2-8 slots (17.7% of 1,750 possible).

If you cut consolation bonus in half it would have eliminated 111 of those instances, but also created 20 new instances, for a new net total of 218 (12.5%).

Obviously, cutting consolation bonus in half does not eliminate the situation - hell it doesn't even cut it in half.

I am not saying consolation bonus should not be cut in half, but if you are looking to eliminate a lower finishing wrestler from ever outscoring a higher finishing wrestler, the only way to do that is to eliminate bonus points altogether, or significantly increase the spread in placement points to absurd levels.
 
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PennState1985 said:
You make it sound like you expect a close team race at some point in the next 100 years... ;)
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I have been told this year will be much closer than we are used to, and 2028 is the year.

But in all seriousness, a close team race would make the point with much more vigor. However, the first time it happens this board would implode with the indignation of the holiest of all holy rollers.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
I have been told this year will be much closer than we are used to, and 2028 is the year.

But in all seriousness, a close team race would make the point with much more vigor. However, the first time it happens this board would implode with the indignation of the holiest of all holy rollers.
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I fear that you are right. Many forget 2011, where we reached the promised land after being in the desert for so long . Some on this board need a healthy dose of respect for how hard it is for any university to win a national championship where doing so JUST ONCE in any sport is considered a major achievement. To do it this many times in 15 years is astonishing, but like all things, this too shall pass. 2028 will be a strange year given the ascendency of OSU and it being an Olympic year. We should expect parity over the coming 10 years where winning the title in March is not assured before the season begins.
 
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PennState1985 said:
I fear that you are right. Many forget 2011, where we reached the promised land after being in the desert for so long . Some on this board need a healthy dose of respect for how hard it is for any university to win a national championship where doing so JUST ONCE in any sport is considered a major achievement. To do it this many times in 15 years is astonishing, but like all things, this too shall pass. 2028 will be a strange year given the ascendency of OSU and it being an Olympic year. We should expect parity over the coming 10 years where winning the title in March is not assured before the season begins.
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I didn't mean 2028 is a year we will lose. Considering 2028 will have 70% of this year's starters still wrestling, with Kasak, James/Henckel and Ono filling the 3 other spots.
What I was alluding to is the first time (assuming a ruke change) changing a Consci MFF to a reg dec negatively impacts PSU's scoring opportunities.
 
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Wrestleknownothing said:
More to come, but....

In the current scoring system (2001 - 2026) there have been 309 instances of a top 7 wrestler getting outscored by a lower finishing wrestler in the 2-8 slots (17.7% of 1,750 possible).

If you cut consolation bonus in half it would have eliminated 111 of those instances, but also created 20 new instances, for a new net total of 218 (12.5%).

Obviously, cutting consolation bonus in half does not eliminate the situation - hell it doesn't even cut it in half.

I am not saying consolation bonus should not be cut in half, but if you are looking to eliminate a lower finishing wrestler from ever outscoring a higher finishing wrestler, the only way to do that is to eliminate bonus points altogether, or significantly increase the spread in placement points to absurd levels.
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Honestly though, if you win the national championship in a 33 wrestler bracket, and don't manage to pick up a handful of bonus points in (at least) the early rounds to facilitate being the high-team point scorer in the class, you are the problem, not the guy who gets bumped to the consis.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
I didn't mean 2028 is a year we will lose. Considering 2028 will have 70% of this year's starters still wrestling, with Kasak, James/Henckel and Ono filling the 3 other spots.
What I was alluding to is the first time (assuming a ruke change) changing a Consci MFF to a reg dec negatively impacts PSU's scoring opportunities.
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I think 2028 will be much closer than recent years but PSU prevails. Beyond that, it becomes more and more a crap shoot but I have 100% faith in Cael. I believe 2030 is the first up-for-grabs year.
 
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PennState1985 said:
I think 2028 will be much closer than recent years but PSU prevails. Beyond that, it becomes more and more a crap shoot but I have 100% faith in Cael. I believe 2030 is the first up-for-grabs year.
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I was thinking maybe 2029, then I started mapping out possible lineups and I decided - probably not. So yeah maybe 2030, but I will wait a couple years to see what things are looking like moving towards 2030.

Tis a helluva fun time to be a Lion 'rassling fan.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
MFF in consci round may sound like a good idea until PSU has a kid in the consci round wrestling a Hawk, Cowboy or Hokie and we are expecting bonus points in a close team race, and they MFF.
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As it stands now, a close title race will really show the problem of cheap MFF bonus points if the 2nd place team chasing has a bunch of guys in the consis going against unmotivated guys who have already AA’d. To date it hasn’t been an issue for us, but it could. Hell, OSU made up about 6 points on Friday night and Saturday morning with cheapies - Ryder was the biggest beneficiary.
 
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