Big 10 Dominance

BTCMoonBoy

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Welcome to the age of little sister. Now that everyone can pay player’s and the field is level a sec NC will be a big hurdle. When ucla wins in baseball it’ll be a clean sweep of all the major sports
 

QuaoarsKing

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The SEC will continue to be better than the Big 10 in baseball, but I expect the Big Ten to be a clear #2 in baseball within a few years, and to be the undisputed #1 in football (like the SEC was 10-15 years ago) and in basketball going forward.
 
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paindonthurt

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The SEC will continue to be better than the Big 10 in baseball, but I expect the Big Ten to be a clear #2 in baseball within a few years, and to be the undisputed #1 in football (like the SEC was 10-15 years ago) and in basketball going forward.
10 to 15 or 3 years ago?
 

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paindonthurt

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Huh? Im just pointing out the obvious. I actually prefer a big 10 school winning the football, women’s basketball & maybe men’s basketball titles rather than the SEC contenders.
Indiana just won the national title. INDI 17ing ANA.

Vandy in the top 20 and competing for playoffs.

P A R I T Y
 
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85Bears

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Huh? Im just pointing out the obvious. I actually prefer a big 10 school winning the football, women’s basketball & maybe men’s basketball titles rather than the SEC contenders.
I think conference loyalty made sense in the pre-nil days, now it’s just independent corporate entities grouped in different TV contract pools.
 

patdog

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Indiana just won the national title. INDI 17ing ANA.

Vandy in the top 20 and competing for playoffs.

P A R I T Y
Indiana had a top 10 NIL last year. No one really knows what Vandy was but it was a lot. Same with Mississippi who made the semi finals. Top 10 NIL last year. That’s not parity. That’s the rich dominating the sport.
 

paindonthurt

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Indiana had a top 10 NIL last year. No one really knows what Vandy was but it was a lot. Same with Mississippi who made the semi finals. Top 10 NIL last year. That’s not parity. That’s the rich dominating the sport.
Please tell me you don’t think Mississippi is a top 10 school in wealth.

you are proving my point.

there are lots of schools with similar wealth as the blue bloods. Then there are schools like ole Miss willing to spend big money.

That is spreading the talent around more.

spreading the talent around equals parity.
 

patdog

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Please tell me you don’t think Mississippi is a top 10 school in wealth.

you are proving my point.

there are lots of schools with similar wealth as the blue bloods. Then there are schools like ole Miss willing to spend big money.

That is spreading the talent around more.

spreading the talent around equals parity.
By all accounts they had a top 10 NIL last year.
 

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patdog

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Yeah just bc a team spends top 10 money in NIL doesn’t mean they have top 10 money overall

you flip back and forth from being 3 digit IQ to double digit IQ

Do you let @OG Goat Holder log in occasionally from your account?
Of course they’re not one of the 10 richest schools in the country. Not even close. But in terms of money available for football, they’ve been top 10 for a few years now & aren’t slowing down with the coaching change. Now, can this last 10-20 years? Who knows. But right now it’s just a reality.
 

paindonthurt

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Of course they’re not one of the 10 richest schools in the country. Not even close. But in terms of money available for football, they’ve been top 10 for a few years now & aren’t slowing down with the coaching change. Now, can this last 10-20 years? Who knows. But right now it’s just a reality.
So they don’t have top 10 money. Got it.

So another non traditional blue blood is pulling talent away from the schools who usually get all the talent. So spreading the talent around. AKA helping to create parity.

Fact: the traditional top schools in recruiting are getting less of the top 200 to 250 players in recruiting since NIL.

Fact: the above means talent is being less densely populated with just a few teams.

Fact (unless you can say something logical I can’t think of to make me correct this “fact”): talent being spread around means more parity.
 

patdog

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So they don’t have top 10 money. Got it.

So another non traditional blue blood is pulling talent away from the schools who usually get all the talent. So spreading the talent around. AKA helping to create parity.

Fact: the traditional top schools in recruiting are getting less of the top 200 to 250 players in recruiting since NIL.

Fact: the above means talent is being less densely populated with just a few teams.

Fact (unless you can say something logical I can’t think of to make me correct this “fact”): talent being spread around means more parity.
"Non-traditional" or not, the talent is going where the money is. It's not being "spread around." You look at the top 10 list of NIL spenders and it's the same list as the teams in the playoffs, minus the ACC and G5 auto bids.
 

paindonthurt

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"Non-traditional" or not, the talent is going where the money is. It's not being "spread around." You look at the top 10 list of NIL spenders and it's the same list as the teams in the playoffs, minus the ACC and G5 auto bids.
Yes it is. The top 200 to 300 players in recruiting is being spread around more than in the last 20 to 30 years.

and if Vandy and Indiana and Texas tech are getting top players where are they coming from? THE TOP TALENT IS ABSOLUTELY BEING SPREAD OUT MORE. That’s a fact.
 

L4Dawg

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You want some cheese with that whine?
He isn't whining, he is stating fact. The SEC dominance in football was based on widespread willingness to cheat in a big way. The BIG schools are for the most part much larger schools in wealthier states. The two Texas schools are the only ones capable of keeping up money wise in the SEC. Florida and MAYBE Georgia might be on the fringes......and that's about it.
 
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He isn't whining, he is stating fact. The SEC dominance in football was based on widespread willingness to cheat in a big way. The BIG schools are for the most part much larger schools in wealthier states. The two Texas schools are the only ones capable of keeping up money wise in the SEC. Florida and MAYBE Georgia might be on the fringes......and that's about it.
They were dominant in football because they could stockpile talent, and you can’t do that anymore because players can just leave and go find somewhere to start. Alabama and Georgia had five star players sitting on the bench waiting their turn and that just doesn’t happen anymore.
 

patdog

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They were dominant in football because they could stockpile talent, and you can’t do that anymore because players can just leave and go find somewhere to start. Alabama and Georgia had five star players sitting on the bench waiting their turn and that just doesn’t happen anymore.
They haven't been disbursed. They've just gone to Miami, Mississippi, Texas, Ohio St., Michigan, Indiana and Oregon. The names of the dominant schools have changed. But the dominance it just a great as it ever was, if not more so.
 

paindonthurt

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They haven't been disbursed. They've just gone to Miami, Mississippi, Texas, Ohio St., Michigan, Indiana and Oregon. The names of the dominant schools have changed. But the dominance it just a great as it ever was, if not more so.
FFS are you dumb? 2 of the schools you named have never really gotten big talent (stock piles of it). Those two schools (UoM and Indiana) are now getting talent. So is Georgia and Alabama. Add about 10 to 15 more schools in who are getting some of the top 300 who never did before (Vandy, Texas Tech, etc.).

top 300 divided by 10 schools or top 300 divided by 20 schools. Do those 2 equal the same amount of parity? No they don't
 

paindonthurt

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He isn't whining, he is stating fact. The SEC dominance in football was based on widespread willingness to cheat in a big way. The BIG schools are for the most part much larger schools in wealthier states. The two Texas schools are the only ones capable of keeping up money wise in the SEC. Florida and MAYBE Georgia might be on the fringes......and that's about it.
Thats my entire point. Dominance for any one conference or small group of schools is going away. NIL is spreading around the talent.
 

OG Goat Holder

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"Non-traditional" or not, the talent is going where the money is. It's not being "spread around." You look at the top 10 list of NIL spenders and it's the same list as the teams in the playoffs, minus the ACC and G5 auto bids.
I wish we had a real NIL list we could trust. It's all estimated at this point.

Two factors in play for every school: 1 - having the money, and 2 - being willing to actually spend it. But you also have to have the right coach.

I don't think Indiana had top ten NIL. I think they had 'enough' coupled with an elite coach.