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Ok. Yeah, there are plenty of teams that don’t place guys very often, and it only takes one in a conference to make this true.
Also only one conference has a school in which every athlete is Elite.
The renowned journalist and satirist, H.L. Mencken, once shared this gem...If your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail! Thought you might want to know.
Is 3rd Better Than 1st At The NCAA Wrestling Championships? - FloWrestling
Team scoring at the NCAA Championships might need an overhaul, and there's a simple solution.
Flo stirring the pot unnecesarily again. Here's the issue: Duke scored 20.5 pts vs Rope-a-dope scoring 20.0 pts. Guess who scored zero bonus in the tourney?Is 3rd Better Than 1st At The NCAA Wrestling Championships? - FloWrestling
Team scoring at the NCAA Championships might need an overhaul, and there's a simple solution.www.flowrestling.org
If NCAA devalues bonus, we'll get less scoring, duh. Also we'll lose fans, but at least there's a solution to a non-problem.
"3rd is better than 1st" is like the Tush Push being too dangerous when the Eagles win the Super Bowl. The next year when the Eagles crash and burn in the playoffs, not even brought up for a vote. Losers try to change the rules in their favor when they can't compete.
Championship tournament wrestling follows the same scoring that governs the dual meet. Scoring is encouraged by the very nature of the sport...high scoring decisive wins are valued more than narrow decisions. This basic premise, if the FLO writer has his way, would be amended to reduce the scoring rate and value for any consolation win a wrestler gains. After all, becoming the champion isn't enough...scoring should be reduced for others as an added benefit to the champ!
We live in a world that seeks to find fault as though there's a reward for it. The writer in question found a "difference" to sway team scoring that serves no purpose. Glad he isn't in charge of anything because he believes in ruling by exception. I believe in consistency of rules.
We live in a world that seeks to find fault as though there's a reward for it. The writer in question found a "difference" to sway team scoring that serves no purpose. Glad he isn't in charge of anything because he believes in ruling by exception. I believe in consistency of rules.
I could get onboard with reducing bonus point values in consolations, cutting them in half just as they do advancement points, especially given the greater likelihood of Ferrari-ing out. Would take some getting used to seeing .25 and .75 points in the team scores.
I will do the math next week, but it is generally a bad idea to change rules based on outliers.
That said, first place has definitely been devalued over time and stands at its lowest relative value currently.
I’d say it would be fair enough to eliminate the bonus points for a MFF, but I’d rather they not reduce the bonus for a contested bout.
Maybe or maybe not. The first time a wrestler is losing by more than 15 points, or for that matter 8 points and time is running out, he then decides he is too hurt to continue and he/she MFF out. I know that would not be sportsman like, but they will for sure try this.
Implications for team race, and that’s all these points are about anyway. If your guy is going to get steamrolled by a close competitor in the team race do you MFF rather than give up 1.5 - 2.0 bonus?
That’s injury default, not MFF.
Q: Why wouldn't the simpler solution of increasing placement points relatively more for 1st and 2nd (fewer matches), and to a lesser extent for other placements, suffice to satisfy the concern?
Q: Or why not halve only forfeiting out bonus in both brackets?
A: These might only widen PSU's gap, which would defeat the unstated objective of the piece.
It's interesting that placement points are the same for the B1G and B12 tournaments as NCAA, despite fewer competitors. Why doesn't NCAA wrestling make tournament placement positions and points a function of bracket size (or do they)?
Q: Or why not halve only forfeiting out bonus in both brackets?
A: These might only widen PSU's gap, which would defeat the unstated objective of the piece.
It's interesting that placement points are the same for the B1G and B12 tournaments as NCAA, despite fewer competitors. Why doesn't NCAA wrestling make tournament placement positions and points a function of bracket size (or do they)?
A complete non issue in search of a non solution.Is 3rd Better Than 1st At The NCAA Wrestling Championships? - FloWrestling
Team scoring at the NCAA Championships might need an overhaul, and there's a simple solution.
PS - Duke earned every extra penny and more and Robaduke did not. I think the system worked perfectly as intended.
PSS - If it means when you go back and recalculate the team totals when PSU had 4 champs to Iowa's 1, and we rightly win? Maybe ;-)
How many points would Duke have had if he had been able to continue the sequence and pin Rubberduck in the semis, then decision Taylor in the final?
Aside from gamesmanship, I don’t think it’s fair to penalize the wrestler who showed up either. Just seems logically, if an advancement point on the backside is worth half, the bonus points should be too.
How many teams at nattys did not have a mmf or i jury default. I don't think we had any mff dis we? Wonder what the numbers are
I read that the Ferrari family was a large percentage of the MMF’s!
It is easier to say how many teams did have them.
Eleven teams had a total of sixteen forfeits or DQs.
And with 25% of them, yes the Ferrari family led the way.
Kerk MFF’d to 6th last year after losing to Hendrickson in the semis on one leg and also MFFd the 3rd place match to Jordan Wood in 2022.