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Difference in employment and scholarship.
I do not understand the argument for players to what coaches do. One is supposed to be a student. The other is an employee.
make both employees and then the "what about ism" has merit.
make both employees and then the "what about ism" has merit.
Do college coaches have signed, performance-driven contractual obligations with buyout stipulations if they were to leave before said obligations are fulfilled?
Follow-up question. Do players have the same?
Likely because there is no argument. It’s just example #4,856,895 of an ill informed social media idiot trying to make a profound point by comparing things that are in no way comparable
How is that “ouch”? Sure a coach can leave but there’s contractual obligations that have to be met for that to happen and not “I don’t like that someone is above me on the depth chart so I’m leaving.” Come on blue, you’re smarter than that.
QB Darian Mensah transfers to Miami after reaching settlement with Duke
The Hurricanes had been heavily linked to Mensah after he announced he wanted to leave the Blue Devils.
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Alot of emotion in this thread.
The leaders that embrace the current climate have a lot better chance at success than those who don’t.
The memorandums and executive orders from the White House that promote limited earning potential (and its not just college athletes) is troubling to me. And question my intellegence all that you want, but coaches whining about player freedom is hypocritical to me.
Ben Jacobsen at Northern Iowa had no buyout.
He was a longtime coach and in the contract he was allowed to leave without financial penalty.
It's a mid-major coaching example and there may be a slightly different scenario than major conference coach, but they guy was also well established and successful.
Regardless, it's relatively rare to not have an early exit penalty clause.
Now on this part, I do agree. Coaches need to either offer up a sensible solution to all this or else STFU when it comes school hopping because they wrote the book.
That said, yeah there's a lot of emotion. This argument seems to always get framed up as people wanting to hold players down, but at no point have I ever been against players getting paid or being allowed to transfer. I would desperately like some modicum of sanity to return to the sport, though, so that players are sticking around for more than half a year. For 30 years, I lived for college football season, and March madness wasn't far behind, but the last 3-4 years of this utter BS has pushed it to a point where I don't know how much longer I can last. With very few exceptions, this isn't fun for anyone other than the schools that have the funds to be able to buy their championships in this new era
Coaching contracts tend to have buyouts and implications of jumping ship. The market regulates it. Player contracts do not. If it were financially burdensome for players to transfer, we'd see far less of it. I'd rather this be built in to contracts to be honest but something has to be done to maintain some sort of roster sanity in college football.
But other than a few exceptions coaches have buyouts. They can’t just leave without penalty. I get the argument but it’s a little bit apples and oranges.
QB Darian Mensah transfers to Miami after reaching settlement with Duke
The Hurricanes had been heavily linked to Mensah after he announced he wanted to leave the Blue Devils.
Alot of emotion in this thread.
The leaders that embrace the current climate have a lot better chance at success than those who don’t.
The memorandums and executive orders from the White House that promote limited earning potential (and its not just college athletes) is troubling to me. And question my intellegence all that you want, but coaches whining about player freedom is hypocritical to me.
They can also coach for 30
Years if they want. Not sure we want that for players
Don’t forget (to no one‘s surprise) that college administrators didn’t this see coming and it hit them like tsunami just a few short years ago. And in their defense, they had been spending money like drunken sailors on facilities and didn’t have a lot of experience in risk management.
The Duke deal is an indicator that programs are catching on and hedging their bets. I would think exit fees on multi-year player deals will be more common place in future cycles.
As bad as it is college football, it’s even worse in basketball. Penny Hardaway had one returning player on his Memphis roster this year, and insiders are saying that he’s expecting that number to double to a whopping two returnees next season. All for a program that’s definitely not lacking in NIL funds.
To say that the system is broken would be the understatement of the century, and I’m not sure how or when, but it is going to impact viewership eventually
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That's where you and others are wrong. This year's NCAA tournament was the most watched since 1993, and up 9% from 2025. The CFP viewership was also up and the national title game drew 30.1 million viewers which was a massive increase from the year before. The money being thrown at athletes enhances their star power and America has a long and storied fixation with celebrities.
That's where you and others are wrong. This year's NCAA tournament was the most watched since 1993, and up 9% from 2025. The CFP viewership was also up and the national title game drew 30.1 million viewers which was a massive increase from the year before. The money being thrown at athletes enhances their star power and America has a long and storied fixation with celebrities.
My employer made billions this year. It's ******** I am not paid more.***
Again, the transfer rules, NIL rules, and eligibility rules were all put in place to protect the "student athlete" and the integrity of recruiting and the game.
then the libs like Jay bilas all have to find some conspiracy bogie man. That some how in all
The scholarship money, free housing, free food, stipends, free publicity, celebrity status, ***, under table money ... on and on and on... people like Jay Bilas can label someone receiving all things as "taken advantage of".
If these athletes are so being taken advantage of, go to the usfl, go Europe, go to MiLB or Japan get paid and get your endorsements.
Hahaha. Those athletes won't draw a dime from endorsements when they lose that university logo.
Again, the transfer rules, NIL rules, and eligibility rules were all put in place to protect the "student athlete" and the integrity of recruiting and the game.
then the libs like Jay bilas all have to find some conspiracy bogie man. That some how in all
The scholarship money, free housing, free food, stipends, free publicity, celebrity status, ***, under table money ... on and on and on... people like Jay Bilas can label someone receiving all things as "taken advantage of".
If these athletes are so being taken advantage of, go to the usfl, go Europe, go to MiLB or Japan get paid and get your endorsements.
Hahaha. Those athletes won't draw a dime from endorsements when they lose that university logo.
Yeah, there's always the chance that I'm completely wrong or at least that I'm in the minority when it comes to growing disinterest in the product. However, a quick look at CFP viewership numbers since the introduction of NIL show that it's bounced back and forth over the last 5 years, and if we go back farther to look at the last 20 years, the numbers have always been much more dependent upon the matchup than anything else.
Regardless, clearly the championship games in both sports are still very popular, but when I look around at the non-elite universities like State and Memphis, and I see half empty stadiums and growing disinterest in even finding the games on tv while we're all being asked to give more money than ever before, I'm still gonna claim that a day of reckoning is out there. The fact that we have congress involved and even the president signing executive orders screams pretty loudly that some high ranking individuals out there agree with me that this current system isn't sustainable
There is no question that a major part of where we are was started by the out of control coaching salaries and they fact that they could jump around any time they wanted. Right or wrong, it's where a bunch of it got started. Nick Saban played a big role in this.
100%. When I for once hear a coach say something that isn't slanted toward their own best interests, I might give them a listen. Until then, deal with it. That's why I believe that Michigan basketball coach.
It's a very hollow viewership. It's been reduced to simply eyeballs. The passion we all had is no longer there. I hated that MSU sports used to ruin my weekend, but I also loved it because I cared so much. Now? 17 it.
There's two different types of fans out there in my opinion. The ones who hang on their team like I used to do, and the ones who appreciate the actual sport/athleticism/etc. Those two have fundamental differences in how the sport should ultimately be played. College leans toward the first, while pro leans toward the second. That is why, the closer this gets to a professional model, the worse it's going to be. Remember, the system last year was still amateur, with a bunch of boosters paying the players they liked and more transfers. Rev share was a step toward professionalism. A bad one.
I agree with everything Bilas said here, and if the point that Tynes was trying to make is that we have a massive problem in the college coaching ranks that needs to be fixed too, that's fine. I just get irritated at the viewpoint that one side is a complete $hitshow, so it's only fair for the other side to be one too. They're both in desperate need of an overhaul
Agree with all this, and people seem to always want to point to championship viewership to gauge trends, probably because it’s the most readily available data, but I don’t think it tells the full story. I haven’t watched a minute of MSU women’s basketball all year because I just don’t find it entertaining, but even I will flip on the UCLA/USC game this afternoon. People are gonna watch title fights
And yeah, people do not and have not ever turned on college sports to watch athletes at the highest level compete because that’s not what they are. > 90% of these guys will never sniff a pro contract, and whereas we used to be able grow fond of players like Q, Zimmerman, Dicenzo, and others for growing up as MSU athletes, those days seem long gone. I have never felt more disconnected with State football/basketball, and it’s not due to anything our admin has done
I have never been more disconnected either, but the present MSU administration has done tons to cause it.
It seems like university leaders know that our federal legislature is not going to do anything about this soon, they know that courts will continue to piece meal fix the issue in inconsistent ways, and they know state Legislature will enact laws which conflict with other states despite conferences crossing state lines.
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The drop in attendance preceded NIL by more than a decade which has been attributed to the cost of attending a game and the ability to stream them anywhere. This has been debated and there has been no direct evidence found that NIL has actually decreased in person attendance to college football. And let's give it credit for making sure Alabama wasn't in the mix in the final four even though Ole Miss was.
As far as fan apathy in the Mississippi State program itself which is not debatable, it doesn't cross over to the broader P4.
Does that cut both ways, though? Should State owe a kid an “exit fee” if you send him packing?
Brother not sure if you've been paying attention lately but it's all employment now and coaching is not required.
It’s short term low hanging fruit money grab. Which is why they all want bigger tournaments now - it’s the only way out now that the toothpaste is out of the tube.
So I’ve accepted that. And I do think our current admin has not clue what will work at MSU. They are trying to operate like we are LSU, while we are not even Ole Miss (in football).
You’re right, but technically the school is only on the hook for scholarships. They’re 1099 to the NIL.
I will say that it seems like the rich boosters are more emboldened than ever. And maybe it’s because we were so used to the system we had before, when it appeared that guys chose our school for a deeper reason. Maybe the big boosters already knew the real play so they still feel as if it’s important. But for the middle class it’s lost luster outside of casual TV watching.
Until you are a fan of a winner, and you get sucked back in. But it’s now a yearly thing. There’s no building for the future.
It doesn't seem to me that P4 coaches leaving get penalized much for wanting to go to greener pastures for more pay. The buyout only seems to penalize the University who needs to get rid of an underperforming coach. My MSU experience probably jades my view somewhat. I wish coaching buyouts were outlawed. Coach like crap and I still get millions per year for doing nothing. Completely ridiculous.
