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This is a win for the good guys.Every coach that competes against Penn States job just got harder. In theory It will force every other program to raise the standards of their recruiting and their individual coaches and athletes will now be forced to conduct themselves in a manner that is a direct result of having a solid plan of action or they won’t have any chance of competing with my favorite team. Time will tell.
 
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The effective date of this executive order is August 1st. Assuming it survives a court challenge, does that mean that Shane Van Ness will not be eligible next year because he has already completed his 5 years?
 
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Something needs to happen. I listened last week to Dan Patrick interview Danny Hurley. Hurley spoke how the current situation is going to decimate the mid majors. Patrick asked what is the biggest 1 year NIL deal he heard of.. Hurley said 4 1/2 million!
Jim Jordan also was recently interviewed and said something needs to be done.
This should not be a 2 sided political situation. Universities and Colleges should recognize the problem. If government intervenes you would hope both sides pulled the rope together.
 
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The courts will shoot it down but it will at least give everything a chance to reset. What happens if Congress (I know) decided to give the NCAA a monopoly and force revenue sharing? Would that matter? Where are our legal experts? Is it simply that no power exists to stop the momentum and wrestling is a goner along with several other non revenue sports? This doesn't seem to be a political argument as people on both sides of the isle hate where this is heading. Football and basketball are even being effected if you aren't in a power conference or full of rich donors with open wallets. What can be done if this isn't it?
 
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CTStall said:
Something needs to happen. I listened last week to Dan Patrick interview Danny Hurley. Hurley spoke how the current situation is going to decimate the mid majors. Patrick asked what is the biggest 1 year NIL deal he heard of.. Hurley said 4 1/2 million!
Jim Jordan also was recently interviewed and said something needs to be done.
This should not be a 2 sided political situation. Universities and Colleges should recognize the problem. If government intervenes you would hope both sides pulled the rope together.
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I am good with some sort of agreement, but "both sides" excludes the student-athlete's representation. The Universities have for way longer than a century shown they cannot be trusted to represent their best interests as well as the best interests of the student-athlete.
Before I give a flying hoot about Jim Jordan's opinion I want to hear Jim mention "I have talked to numerous OSU student-athletes" and then I might give a darn what the chair to the Judicial Chair thinks. Until then my assumption is he cares what OSU athletic donors think.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
I am good with some sort of agreement, but both sides excludes the student-athlete's representation. The Universities have for way longer than a century shown they cannot be trusted to represent their best interests as well as the best interests of the student-athlete.
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Hopefully the student athletes recognize that the current situation will eventually cause less of a opportunity when programs start to be dissolved.
The high end student athlete is now be treated like a very sought after corporate hire . With corporate contracts comes guidelines of non compete clauses ECT. Maybe eventually NIL will be potentially written on multi year deals with such verbiage.
 
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CTStall said:
Something needs to happen. I listened last week to Dan Patrick interview Danny Hurley. Hurley spoke how the current situation is going to decimate the mid majors. Patrick asked what is the biggest 1 year NIL deal he heard of.. Hurley said 4 1/2 million!
Jim Jordan also was recently interviewed and said something needs to be done.
This should not be a 2 sided political situation. Universities and Colleges should recognize the problem. If government intervenes you would hope both sides pulled the rope together.
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It's not just ruining college sports, it's rapidly leaking into high school. I can only imagine what it's (transferring, $) like in California, Texas, and Georgia, as my (recent) anecdotal experience is primarily with high school sports in Utah.

I've become a progressively bigger fan of wrestling, in part, because it has seemed (for the last few years) to be the last bastion of the high school/college amateur sports that were my life growing up.

I'm of the opinion that you can't just put the genie back in the bottle; sports, at all levels, is a business. I don't know that anything can be done. All I know is that it makes me increasingly less interested in following sports, even at my alma maters. I wish something could be done, but it'll just be tied up in courts and ultimately shot down like almost all of his other executive orders (which, in principal, I mostly agree with).
 
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Hopefully the student athletes recognize that the current situation will eventually cause a less of a opportunity when programs start to be dissolved.
The high end student athlete is now be treated like a very sought after corporate hire . With corporate contracts comes with guidelines of non compete clauses ECT. Maybe eventually NIL will be potentially written on multi year deals with such verbiage.
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The only thing I hear with "Hopefully the student athletes recognize that the current situation will eventually cause a less of a opportunity when programs start to be dissolved" are the same things people were screaming about baseball and free agency.

In 1976, last year of reserve clause, there were 24 mlb teams and the average player salary was 52 thou. In 2026 there are 30 teams and the average player salary is
$4.7 million.

It isn't the student-athletes individual responsibility to consider future failures.

Watching this playout is something I find humorous. A bunch of grown-ups running around screaming the sky is falling and the only cure is to jam that freaking genie back into the bottle. As HOA alluded to, all sports are a business. As long as there is money to be had there will be opportunities for student-athletes to play their sports.

For decades it was cute when the Alabamas, the SMUs, the Ohio States and even the Penn States had alumni giving hundred dollar hand shakes. Joe even politiced to make that stuff legal so kids, who were generating a ton of money for the university could afford to take their girlfriends out.

Athletic directors making a million a year, head coaches making 10 million a year, coordinators making a couple million a year, strength coaches making nearly a million a year, but yeah the problem is the student athlete getting paid.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
The only thing I hear with "Hopefully the student athletes recognize that the current situation will eventually cause a less of a opportunity when programs start to be dissolved" are the same things people were screaming about baseball and free agency.

In 1976, last year of reserve clause, there were 24 mlb teams and the average player salary was 52 thou. In 2026 there are 30 teams and the average player salary is
$4.7 million.

It isn't the student-athletes individual responsibility to consider future failures.

Watching this playout is something I find humorous. A bunch of grown-ups running around screaming the sky is falling and the only cure is to jam that freaking genie back into the bottle.
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+1

Speaking only for myself, my interest in college (and high school) sports has dramatically reduced. That connection to the schools and the young men who play the game I once did is pretty much gone. I hardly follow college football or basketball at all anymore - maybe 2-3 hours total in front of my TV the last few years, zero interest in attending games in person although I get free tickets. I know a few who share my opinion, including some current coaches (mostly high school, but a few college) who are strongly considering getting out of the game because of NIL/transferring, but I think we're outliers. It's just getting bigger, more popular, and increasing in revenue.
 
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The payments have been going on for decades. My cousin, Frank, who went on to play linebacker for 13 seasons including a Super Bowl and Pro Bowls with the Eagles played way back in the early 1970's for Kentucky. He had a bigger cash offer from Ohio State but was from Lexington and wanted to play for KY. He was given a car year round plus $1200 a month during football season by KY boosters, mainly one big horse farm owner. (he said). That is around 10K a month in today's dollars. Minimum wage was like $1.20 back then. He had a phantom job that he never had to show up for. I really don't know how much he got but did ride in his Thunderbird from a local dealership. Those kinds of things can never be stopped, but the insane amounts of dollars handed out and the transfer carousel has to be reined in. If wrestlers are getting the amounts we hear, hoopers have to be be getting way over "Jax Money."
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
The only thing I hear with "Hopefully the student athletes recognize that the current situation will eventually cause a less of a opportunity when programs start to be dissolved" are the same things people were screaming about baseball and free agency.

In 1976, last year of reserve clause, there were 24 mlb teams and the average player salary was 52 thou. In 2026 there are 30 teams and the average player salary is
$4.7 million.

It isn't the student-athletes individual responsibility to consider future failures.

Watching this playout is something I find humorous. A bunch of grown-ups running around screaming the sky is falling and the only cure is to jam that freaking genie back into the bottle. As HOA alluded to, all sports are a business. As long as there is money to be had there will be opportunities for student-athletes to play their sports.

For decades it was cute when the Alabamas, the SMUs, the Ohio States and even the Penn States had alumni giving hundred dollar hand shakes. Joe even politiced to make that stuff legal so kids, who were generating a ton of money for the university could afford to take their girlfriends out.

Athletic directors making a million a year, head coaches making 10 million a year, coordinators making a couple million a year, strength coaches making nearly a million a year, but yeah the problem is the student athlete getting paid.
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Baseball has a mess on its hands and next year agreement will be nasty. Allowing the Dodgers to difer Ohtani money created a more uneven playing field.
I for one think football is the best run pro sports league. The reason was the Mara's and Rooney's recognized the teams would share in outside revenue and have limits on salary expenses .
I personally feel that the most important thing the NCAA can do is protect the athletes from having less opportunities because of an unfair job market. I could care less how much a coach makes. During the Paterno years I know for a fact some money was distributed to players by their role on the team. This isn't about meal money, it's about creating some competitive balance .
 
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The payments have been going on for decades. My cousin, Frank, who went on to play linebacker for 13 seasons including a Super Bowl and Pro Bowls with the Eagles played way back in the early 1970's for Kentucky. He had a bigger cash offer from Ohio State but was from Lexington and wanted to play for KY. He was given a car year round plus $1200 a month during football season by KY boosters, mainly one big horse farm owner. (he said). That is around 10K a month in today's dollars. Minimum wage was like $1.20 back then. He had a phantom job that he never had to show up for. I really don't know how much he got but did ride in his Thunderbird from a local dealership. Those kinds of things can never be stopped, but the insane amounts of dollars handed out and the transfer carousel has to be reined in. If wrestlers are getting the amounts we hear, hoopers have to be be getting way over "Jax Money."
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Payments went on for decades, for star players who legitimately had name/image/likeness value in the market (to boosters). Now it is everybody at the college level, including walk-ons. Along with individual deals for the small minority of collegiate athletes who actually have marketing value, athletic department collectives (funded by wealthy alumni) ensure everybody gets paid. Guys like Cody Campbell, Phil Knight, and John Ruiz openly give their alma maters blank checks (in attempt) to buy their way to championships. It's also rampant in high school, even for some young men who won't ever play football at the college level.

I played P4 college football 25yrs ago, at a school with a legendary basketball coach known to hookup players with a specific booster. My experience: it was no secret that the best players were getting envelopes, but me and the other ~80 roster guys who were keeping the bench warm weren't. I got hooked up by my position coach with a cushy on campus job, but I did have to actually show up and they were pretty strict with works hours and pay being within NCAA guidelines. Athletic departments weren't even allowed to provide unlimited food/supplements (meal allowances) to athletes until 2014, now they're hooking up guys who haven't played a down with the VP of sales at the local Porsche dealership. I had an incentive to graduate in 4yrs and move onto the real world (I wasn't an NFL prospect and needed to start making money to support myself), now guys are suing the NCAA to get 6th, 7th, 8th years of eligibility to stick around at schools like Montana, because they're making more there as a backup LB than they would in the real workforce.

As a pretty staunch free market guy, I don't have an opinion about whether the current system is better than the (under the table) one I played in. But, I can say that the transferring and players getting extra years of eligibility that are a result of the new system is an absolute mess.
 
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Baseball has a mess on its hands and next year agreement will be nasty. Allowing the Dodgers to difer Ohtani money created a more uneven playing field.
I for one think football is the best run pro sports league. The reason was the Mara's and Rooney's recognized the teams would share in outside revenue and have limits on salary expenses .
I personally feel that the most important thing the NCAA can do is protect the athletes from having less opportunities because of an unfair job market. I could care less how much a coach makes. During the Paterno years I know for a fact some money was distributed to players by their role on the team. This isn't about meal money, it's about creating some competitive balance .
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I am sure you have heard the joke.
Q: Why is it Alabama and Georgia aren't playing for the national championship every year anymore?
A: Because everybody is now allowed to pay their players.

Competitive balance? Between programs? Kind of tough to argue Indiana winning a national title with 2015 rules in place. Texas Tech being in the national championship conversation.

College football still has Ohio State, Notre Dame, U of Texas, Michigan representing the blue bloods. Indiana, Tech, A&M and others stepping into the conversation doesn't seem to validate only the rich are getting richer.

Baseball might have an upcoming tough contract negotiation, but it's mid 1970s predicted demise appears to have been rather similar to today's "the sky is falling" chicken littles.
 
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HOA242n! said:
Payments went on for decades, for star players who legitimately had name/image/likeness value in the market (to boosters). Now it is everybody at the college level, including walk-ons. Along with individual deals for the small minority of collegiate athletes who actually have marketing value, athletic department collectives (funded by wealthy alumni) ensure everybody gets paid. Guys like Cody Campbell, Phil Knight, and John Ruiz openly give their alma maters blank checks (in attempt) to buy their way to championships. It's also rampant in high school, even for some young men who won't ever play football at the college level.

I played P4 college football 25yrs ago, at a school with a legendary basketball coach known to hookup players with a specific booster. My experience: it was no secret that the best players were getting envelopes, but me and the other ~80 roster guys who were keeping the bench warm weren't. I got hooked up by my position coach with a cushy on campus job, but I did have to actually show up and they were pretty strict with works hours and pay being within NCAA guidelines. Athletic departments weren't even allowed to provide unlimited food/supplements (meal allowances) to athletes until 2014, now they're hooking up guys who haven't played a down with the VP of sales at the local Porsche dealership. I had an incentive to graduate in 4yrs and move onto the real world (I wasn't an NFL prospect and needed to start making money to support myself), now guys are suing the NCAA to get 6th, 7th, 8th years of eligibility to stick around at schools like Montana, because they're making more there as a backup LB than they would in the real workforce.

As a pretty staunch free market guy, I don't have an opinion about whether the current system is better than the (under the table) one I played in. But, I can say that the transferring and players getting extra years of eligibility that are a result of the new system is an absolute mess.
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The issue is that it’s a system where there are putative “contracts” but they are terminable at will by the employee, unenforceable for nonperformance by the employer, and have no noncompete clauses.
 
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Thank God. It’s about time. Only needs minimum support from Congress as well. Great move everyone has been waiting on. So happy to see Trump cracking down on College athletics. They are also working on NIL too in order to level the playing field. That’s gonna help PSU and hundreds of other schools.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
I am sure you have heard the joke.
Q: Why is it Alabama and Georgia aren't playing for the national championship every year anymore?
A: Because everybody is now allowed to pay their players.

Competitive balance? Between programs? Kind of tough to argue Indiana winning a national title with 2015 rules in place. Texas Tech being in the national championship conversation.

College football still has Ohio State, Notre Dame, U of Texas, Michigan representing the blue bloods. Indiana, Tech, A&M and others stepping into the conversation doesn't seem to validate only the rich are getting richer.

Baseball might have an upcoming tough contract negotiation, but it's mid 1970s predicted demise appears to have been rather similar to today's "the sky is falling" chicken littles.
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I guess you don't think mid level programs might just put their hands up and say" no mas" . I think some school administrators will be looking to cut funding for sports programs. Numerous schools in the PSAC have down sized sports budgets when the State under Wolf reduced Secondary School Funding. I'm not taking sides on that issue.
In basketball the Mid Majors will turn to the European skilled players to fill rosters. Danny Hurley said that's where basketball is going . Is that fair to the Home grown players who parents have paid the taxes and have funded those colleges.
I think curbing the yearly shopping of services is good for college sports. I think one free move in 5 years is fair and if head coach leaves then an additional year is valid.I have no issue with grad students getting the ability to portal a 2nd time.
 
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Aardvark86 said:
The issue is that it’s a system where there are putative “contracts” but they are terminable at will by the employee, unenforceable for nonperformance by the employer, and have no noncompete clauses.
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All true. I don't have solutions.
 
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I guess you don't think mid level programs might just put their hands up and say" no mas" . I think some school administrators will be looking to cut funding for sports programs. Numerous schools in the PSAC have down sized sports budgets when the State under Wolf reduced Secondary School Funding. I'm not taking sides on that issue.
In basketball the Mid Majors will turn to the European skilled players to fill rosters. Danny Hurley said that's where basketball is going . Is that fair to the Home grown players who parents have paid the taxes and have funded those colleges.
I think curbing the yearly shopping of services is good for college sports. I think one free move in 5 years is fair and if head coach leaves then an additional year is valid.I have no issue with grad students getting the ability to portal a 2nd time.
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No idea what mid majors do, but I do believe things will work themselves out and sports will still exist as well as student-athletes. As far as what Hurly says, or Calipari or Saban - nope I don't really care. Three guys who yesterday controlled the entire sandbox and they are pisssed because today they have lost that control.
 
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CTStall said:
I guess you don't think mid level programs might just put their hands up and say" no mas" . I think some school administrators will be looking to cut funding for sports programs. Numerous schools in the PSAC have down sized sports budgets when the State under Wolf reduced Secondary School Funding. I'm not taking sides on that issue.
In basketball the Mid Majors will turn to the European skilled players to fill rosters. Danny Hurley said that's where basketball is going . Is that fair to the Home grown players who parents have paid the taxes and have funded those colleges.
I think curbing the yearly shopping of services is good for college sports. I think one free move in 5 years is fair and if head coach leaves then an additional year is valid.I have no issue with grad students getting the ability to portal a 2nd time.
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Not just mid-majors. Illinois' hoops roster all ends with -ovic
 
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CTStall said:
I guess you don't think mid level programs might just put their hands up and say" no mas" . I think some school administrators will be looking to cut funding for sports programs. Numerous schools in the PSAC have down sized sports budgets when the State under Wolf reduced Secondary School Funding. I'm not taking sides on that issue.
In basketball the Mid Majors will turn to the European skilled players to fill rosters. Danny Hurley said that's where basketball is going . Is that fair to the Home grown players who parents have paid the taxes and have funded those colleges.
I think curbing the yearly shopping of services is good for college sports. I think one free move in 5 years is fair and if head coach leaves then an additional year is valid.I have no issue with grad students getting the ability to portal a 2nd time.
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So you're saying we will be fielding a line-up with:

125: Han Chong-song (PRK)
133: Zaur Uguev (UWW)
141: Rahman Amouzad (IRI)
149: Yoshinosuke Aoyagi (JPN)
157: Kota Takahashi (JPN)
165: Georgios Kougioumtsidis (GRE)
174: Hayato Ishiguro (JPN)
184: Amanula Gadzhimagomedov (UWW)
197: Amirali Hamid Azaparu (IRI) (or Sadulaev/Tazhudinov)
285: Amir Hossein Zare (IRI)
 
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So you're saying we will be fielding a line-up with:

125: Han Chong-song (PRK)
133: Zaur Uguev (UWW)
141: Rahman Amouzad (IRI)
149: Yoshinosuke Aoyagi (JPN)
157: Kota Takahashi (JPN)
165: Georgios Kougioumtsidis (GRE)
174: Hayato Ishiguro (JPN)
184: Amanula Gadzhimagomedov (UWW)
197: Amirali Hamid Azaparu (IRI) (or Sadulaev/Tazhudinov)
285: Amir Hossein Zare (IRI)
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If you didn't cut and paste those names, that is pretty impressive.
I had trouble spelling Mark Hall 😏
 
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The problem is that NCAA sports are built on a fiction. They want you to believe they are not a business, and the athletes are not employees.

Everyone knows they are a business - and a big one. The Big Ten alone signed a 7 year, $7 billion TV contract. Make no mistake it is business. Yet, this business with billions in revenue only has a handful of employees. Coaches and a few admins are the only employees. Unlike in professional sports, the athletes in this big business - the true product - are somehow not employees. And the NCAA, along with its member schools, have fought tooth and nail to keep it that way.

The problem with athletes being not-employees is that you cannot treat them like they are. You cannot sign them to employment contracts. You cannot restrict their movement. You cannot trade them. You cannot allow them to unionize. And so you cannot collectively bargain with them.

This is what has led to the mess with free unlimited transfers we have. The universities want all of the revenue of the big business without any of the responsibility to pay employees that generate the revenue. And this is why the courts keep siding with the athletes on matters of maintaining their economic right to their name, image, and likeness and maintaining the freedom of movement enjoyed by all non-employees.

Even in the House Settlement the universities want you to believe the athletes are not employees while they pay them directly.
 
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Thank God. It’s about time. Only needs minimum support from Congress as well. Great move everyone has been waiting on. So happy to see Trump cracking down on College athletics. They are also working on NIL too in order to level the playing field. That’s gonna help PSU and hundreds of other schools.
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