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I am not sure many would agree with telling the public before an attack.
Come on, man. Harry Truman should have went on TV and given America an update on how the KPA had pushed us far south to Pusan, but that despite how the North Koreans had run wild, we were still going to hang in there at the end of the Korean Peninsula and were getting ready to have MacArthur lead our Marines and ROK in an amphibious landing at Inchon and that he was hopeful that might turn around the war by cutting off the PKA supply lines. I’m sure that operation would have been successful if NK knew we were going to do it ahead of time.
 
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rillaman

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Stop sending food, copper and semiconductors to Colorado. The place is a shrinking liberal hellhole anyway.



Thank you for sharing an article that highlights my concern. We are getting to the point of deciding between farmers/ranchers and the general population. I think we need to continue giving farmers/ranchers the water they need. That leaves very little water for people in general, golf courses, resorts, etc. Those battles are just beginning, but will become important moving forward.

We need to encourage a decrease in population in places like Arizona, which have very limited water sources. Not enough for 8 million people.
 

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Or it could be that weather patterns are weather patterns and humankind have no control over them.

No control and no impact are 2 different things. If you think we have no impact on the environment you are a moron.

I don’t think we control weather patterns. I do think we impact water usage and availability. That is happening while the morons scream about global warming and climate change.

Imagine using a place with 30k people as an example of our impact or lack of impact. I recommend talking to a rancher out west and asking if they are concerned.

I do enjoy educating you guys. Just like I did with TdA. I remember people doubting my stories when that started happening.

 
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Come on, man. Harry Truman should have went on TV and given America an update on how the KPA had pushed us far south to Pusan, but that despite how the North Koreans had run wild, we were still going to hang in there at the end of the Korean Peninsula and were getting ready to have MacArthur lead our Marines and ROK in an amphibious landing at Inchon and that he was hopeful that might turn around the war by cutting off the PKA supply lines. I’m sure that operation would have been successful if NK knew we were going to do it ahead of time.
So when he told the country we were going to war he couldn't have given a reason for it and our overall goal? I think he should attempt to gain the public's support, despite what this echo chamber thinks. Support is not very strong, not even close to what Iraq was. The main reason Iraq had more public support? The public was given the reason and goal (right, wrong or indifferent).
 

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So when he told the country we were going to war he couldn't have given a reason for it and our overall goal? I think he should attempt to gain the public's support, despite what this echo chamber thinks. Support is not very strong, not even close to what Iraq was. The main reason Iraq had more public support? The public was given the reason and goal (right, wrong or indifferent).

You’re not wrong, but don’t we know Iran is a threat? They have talked about destroying the US and allies for years. I guess we can debate “imminent threat”, although I would argue there is always an imminent threat from Iran.
 

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No control and no impact are 2 different things. If you think we have no impact on the environment you are a moron.

I don’t think we control weather patterns. I do think we impact water usage and availability. That is happening while the morons scream about global warming and climate change.

Imagine using a place with 30k people as an example of our impact or lack of impact. I recommend talking to a rancher out west and asking if they are concerned.

I do enjoy educating you guys. Just like I did with TdA. I remember people doubting my stories when that started happening.

You didn’t educate anyone on TdA with the exception of stonedhead. You only cared about TdA in Colorado, even though they had operations in at least 30 states.

As for your comments, 30,000 people in Alaska experienced weather they have no control over. An ice age one year, a heat wave another year. It happens everywhere whether there are humans available or strictly animals.

The Southwest was going to be a disaster and I could have told you that 20 years ago. It’s a ******* desert.

BTW, we cannot control weather, but our brilliant Army Corps of Engineers had the wonderful idea to dam up our big Midwest rivers to control flooding. The floods still happen every Spring and the slow down of the water flow has caused the Illinois River to become nothing more than a silt mess that has become only 3-4’ deep in some areas. That issue has been known for decades, but was always blamed on farmers. In the 1920’s the Illinois River was vibrant, not a muddy mess, had all kinds of water life and was an excellent river to fish.
 
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Weather is weather. You can’t control temps in Alaska and you can’t control rain in Colorado.

You didn’t educate anyone on TdA with the exception of stonedhead. You only cared about TdA in Colorado, even though they had operations in at least 30 states.

As for your comments, 30,000 people in Alaska experienced weather they have no control over. An ice age one year, a heat wave another year. It happens everywhere whether there are humans available or strictly animals.

The Southwest was going to be a disaster and I could have told you that 20 years ago. It’s a ******* desert.

BTW, we cannot control weather, but our brilliant Army Corps of Engineers had the wonderful idea to dam up our big Midwest rivers to control flooding. The floods still happen every Spring and the slow down of the water flow has caused the Illinois River to become nothing more than a silt mess that has become only 3-4’ deep in some areas. That issue has been known for decades, but was always blamed on farmers. In the 1920’s the Illinois River was vibrant, not a muddy mess, had all kinds of water life and was an excellent river to fish.

I said “coming to a state near you” several times with the TdA stories. Highlighted stories in Texas, Illinois and other states. I was the one sharing stories on how many states TdA was in. So, not, it wasn’t just Colorado.

Ya, but no one seems to think we should do anything about the SW. Any talk of making changes is shot down with claims about climate change and global warming. I’m pretty simple. We are running out of water, and the SW is unsustainable, the policies of 100 years ago don’t work today. The major difference is the number of people, and the amount of water being used. That impacts the environment significantly.

Alaska has the most fresh water in the country, and one of the smallest populations of people. Hilarious that it’s even part of this conversation. Of course, you are trying to shift the conversation away from water, something we all need to survive.

Fairbanks, Alaska, lol
 
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So when he told the country we were going to war he couldn't have given a reason for it and our overall goal? I think he should attempt to gain the public's support, despite what this echo chamber thinks. Support is not very strong, not even close to what Iraq was. The main reason Iraq had more public support? The public was given the reason and goal (right, wrong or indifferent).
You said he should have told the country about the war before actually going to war. Great job changing the subject, which was a completely ridiculous idea on your part.

Did Bush tell the US they were going to bomb Afghanistan? They had to sell Iraq so W could get rid of the guy who hated his dad. Much different than a bunch of crazies with nukes and intense fortification's. Did you know that Inchon was considered a big risk and many Generals were against it? Inchon saved South Korea so it could be what has become today. A productive democracy. One can argue whether we should have taken it to the Chinese and struck beyond the Yalu River or just stopped the first time we beat the PKA back over their side of the 38th parallel.

I can handle a temporary uptick in gas prices. It’s my duty to the nation, my children and future generations, to assist in getting rid of these crazies who have wreaked havoc on the world through terror networks, their oil and their control/use of weapons in the Strait of Hormuz. It doesn’t take a Presidential speech to sell anyone who is mildly observant of the world and not a marshmallow to understand what Trump Admin is doing and support it. I guess you just want them killing Americans and building nukes that can reach us whether by future long range ICBM’s or sneaking some dirty bombs into the US.
 
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I said “coming to a state near you” several times with the TdA stories. Highlighted stories in Texas, Illinois and other states. I was the one sharing stories on how many states TdA was in. So, not, it wasn’t just Colorado.

Ya, but no one seems to think we should do anything about the SW. Any talk of making changes is shot down with claims about climate change and global warming. I’m pretty simple. We are running out of water, and the SW is unsustainable, the policies of 100 years ago don’t work today. The major difference is the number of people, and the amount of water being used. That impacts the environment significantly.

Alaska has the most fresh water in the country, and one of the smallest populations of people. Hilarious that it’s even part of this conversation. Of course, you are trying to shift the conversation away from water, something we all need to survive.

Fairbanks, Alaska, lol
I didn’t shift anything from water. Rivers contain water and that includes the Illinois River.
 

rillaman

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I didn’t shift anything from water. Rivers contain water and that includes the Illinois River.

The Midwest doesn’t have a water shortage. I don’t see how it relevant to the discussion.

But thanks for explaining that humans have turned the river from a place that you could fish to a mess.

Alaska and Illinois - great Southwestern states
 
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You said he should have told the country about the war before actually going to war. Great job changing the subject, which was a completely ridiculous idea on your part.

Did Bush tell the US they were going to bomb Afghanistan? They had to sell Iraq so W could get rid of the guy who hated his dad. Much different than a bunch of crazies with nukes and intense fortification's. Did you know that Inchon was considered a big risk and many Generals were against it? Inchon saved South Korea so it could be what has become today. A productive democracy. One can argue whether we should have taken it to the Chinese and struck beyond the Yalu River or just stopped the first time we beat the PKA back over their side of the 38th parallel.

I can handle a temporary uptick in gas prices. It’s my duty to the nation, my children and future generations, to assist in getting rid of these crazies who have wreaked havoc on the world through terror networks, their oil and their control/use of weapons in the Strait of Hormuz. It doesn’t take a Presidential speech to sell anyone who is mildly observant of the world and not a marshmallow to understand what Trump Admin is doing and support it. I guess you just want them killing Americans and building nukes that can reach us whether by future long range ICBM’s or sneaking some dirty bombs into the US.
When you go, dippy. That's all, when you tell everyone we are doing this, just say why and your objectives/goals. Not a big ask and not so sure that's a subject change.
 

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The principle of "senior" water rights. What is going to decide water rights for Colorado river water is the concept that who started using the water first deserves priority when it becomes scarce. This is loved by politically big California and the other 6 states in the basin are on notice.

What has been happening is Arizona has been seeing its water allocation shrink while California has seen little pain. Reason, California has "senior" water rights. Nevada and Colorado may be next. (Need to hire expensive lawyers.)

Colorado has built 2 pipeline projects to bring water from the Western Rockies, (where few Coloradians live and where the Colorado river water comes from) to support housing growth in Eastern Colorado. It is called the Colorado river but its origin and flow never gets close to Denver.

Interestingly liberals changed allocation of Colorado river water rights years ago in Arizona to give over 50% to Indian reservations. It now is precious and they are selling to the highest bidder. This is a big loophole for developers.
 

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Living in Alaska would be torture.
I did some work in and around Fairbanks in December / January / February not too long ago. My work was primarily outdoors - just brutal at times and I only experienced minus 17. But, having experience plus 118 in that same year I can say 118 is better than minus 17.

Fairbanks is a beautiful place. Chenga Hot Springs is apparently a great retreat to see the northern lights up there. It was very easy to see orbiting satellites.
 

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Fairbanks has 30k people. I don’t think excessive amounts of people are causing problems there. 8 million people in the desert? Probably different issues. Great stuff from TJ though.
Your inability to recognize the greatness of America is unsurprising. The fact that 7.5 million people reside in Arizona and America's 5th largest city is Phoenix is a testament to the greatness of non-squishy men of the past.
 
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Thank you for sharing an article that highlights my concern. We are getting to the point of deciding between farmers/ranchers and the general population. I think we need to continue giving farmers/ranchers the water they need. That leaves very little water for people in general, golf courses, resorts, etc. Those battles are just beginning, but will become important moving forward.

We need to encourage a decrease in population in places like Arizona, which have very limited water sources. Not enough for 8 million people.
You will always be a squish. We should depopulate a productive state. Perhaps if we put Democrats in charge of everything that will help achieve your goal?

Welcome to the west where water and water rights have been a "thing" for over a thousand years. You are always very late to the party. Water drives everything and always has for the history of mankind.
 

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So when he told the country we were going to war he couldn't have given a reason for it and our overall goal? I think he should attempt to gain the public's support, despite what this echo chamber thinks. Support is not very strong, not even close to what Iraq was. The main reason Iraq had more public support? The public was given the reason and goal (right, wrong or indifferent).
Which he and his Administration DID AND DOES !

Spread out your information gathering efforts BEYOND national media outlets !

Take the time tonight to watch his 9 PM EST Nationwide TV speech, you might learn something.
 

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You’re not wrong, but don’t we know Iran is a threat? They have talked about destroying the US and allies for years. I guess we can debate “imminent threat”, although I would argue there is always an imminent threat from Iran.
Just the last 47 years ...
 

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Which he and his Administration DID AND DOES !

Spread out your information gathering efforts BEYOND national media outlets !

Take the time tonight to watch his 9 PM EST Nationwide TV speech, you might learn something.
Well, if they didn't contradict each other all the time it would certainly be easier to follow.

Do people still actually watch national media outlets? LOL. What are you even talking about?

And yes, I'll be watching and I'm sure I'll learn something.
 

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Well, if they didn't contradict each other all the time it would certainly be easier to follow.

Do people still actually watch national media outlets? LOL. What are you even talking about?

And yes, I'll be watching and I'm sure I'll learn something.
Come back here after watching his speech and post up.
 

BigWill

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The first real battles between Communists and Capitalists.

The Korean War was a mess of poorly equipped SK and US Army poorly lead by MacArthur from Japan, and almost allowed South Korea to be overrun.

The Russians walked out of the Security Council that allowed the US to convince the UN to assist the recalled up flow of WW2 vets in the Services to fight back North to the Yalu River.

Mac wanted to cross the Yalu, Truman not. The Chinese stopped that Mac attack idea by throwing 100,000's poorly equipped troops across the Yalu and forcing mostly US Servicemen back to around the 38 Th Parallel again. Thousands of ill equipped Chinese froze to death !

IKE ran on that he would stop the Korean War.

Where we stay today !
 

BigWill

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Well, if they didn't contradict each other all the time it would certainly be easier to follow.

Do people still actually watch national media outlets? LOL. What are you even talking about?

And yes, I'll be watching and I'm sure I'll learn something.
Take the time BEFORE the speech to learn the process of how Uranium is enriched.

It's really just the percentage % of the stockpile of uranium.

Here are the THREE %'s that you MUST know.

13 % Enriched. Nuclear Power Plants, Nuke med's.
60 % Enriched. What Iran now has or had.
90 % Enriched. Nuclear Bomb grade.

There is NO KNOWN reason above 13 % EXCEPT developing nuke bombs.

Iran refused to stop their enrichment program, also developing Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles.

Moving Uranium from 60 % to 90 % enriched it thought to take 2 weeks !
 

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One thing about Trump’s speech tonight is that I hope he sticks with the teleprompter and doesn’t go off script. It’s the last thing he should do with this speech, IMHO.
 

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I have NO issue paying MORE than gas is today ! ($ 3.73 from BJ's. YESTERDAY, W of WP.)

IF my children and grandchildren are free from NUCLEAR ATTACK FROM MULLAHS !

But then I have 3 Sons and 10 Grandchildren !

Not counting too many numerous Nieces, Nephews, Cousins to count.
I’ll happily pay more for gas to destroy the nuclear program we “completely and totally obliterated” last June!
 

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Take the time BEFORE the speech to learn the process of how Uranium is enriched.

It's really just the percentage % of the stockpile of uranium.

Here are the THREE %'s that you MUST know.

13 % Enriched. Nuclear Power Plants, Nuke med's.
60 % Enriched. What Iran now has or had.
90 % Enriched. Nuclear Bomb grade.

There is NO KNOWN reason above 13 % EXCEPT developing nuke bombs.

Iran refused to stop their enrichment program, also developing Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles.

Moving Uranium from 60 % to 90 % enriched it thought to take 2 weeks !
What a crock of bs. Netanyahu has been saying they’re weeks away from a bomb for a good 30 years now.

You believed their nuclear program was destroyed during the 12 day war back in June. What happened?
 

BigWill

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The enriched Uranium that had been enriched was still there, deep under hundred's of feet of debris.

Reminds me of Chernobyl where after the explosion at the plant, the Russians had workers with plastic aprons carrying large pieces of radioactive debris and throwing those chunks off the roof !

Of course all those people died of radioactive poison, I wonder if the World will find out something similar happened a year ago to Iran!
 

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Come back here after watching his speech and post up.
If he gives a good speech I'll be happy, that's what I've been asking for. Shouldn't have taken 33 days, but the fact is they have clearly gotten the message that their messaging is poor. If they fix that I'm good. If it doesn't make any damn sense then that isn't so good. Are we clear?