Not hard to see Campbell is bulking up in the trenches like many have wanted for years...

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There were 19 new college football coaches hired before Penn State hired Campbell (12 of those hires at P4 programs, 7 at mid-majors)
Campbell was not a serious contender - or even a consideration - at any of those other P4 jobs

After Campbell was hired, there were 10 more new hires (9, all but 1 of them, at mid-majors - 7 of those were replacing coaches hired elsewhere, and 2 who had fired their coach - and 1 P4 job, Michigan)

Clearly, for whatever reasons, he was not on anyone's "A List", and I doubt he would have been on Michigan's (Unless they simply ran out of options, which might be a possibility given the lateness of Moore's firing).

Plenty of "A List" coaches will - as is always the case - not be successful at their new programs (that list is loooooong).
And there are always folks who were not "A Listers" who will go on to find success (Cignetti? Dabo?). Time will tell wrt PSU/Campbell.

Campbell has been on A lists, for those willing to wait; he does not entertain openings until after ISU's season is done.
 

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Should I list all the top defenses Scateboo ran over? Nuff said....
Scattebo’s total rushing yards in 2024 against the following:
Texas State: 62
Texas Tech: 60
Cincinnati: 75
Kansas State: 73

Try harder.
 

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He definitely has a plan, It's going to be an interesting year how it works out.. Watching how Grunkmeyer does will be interesting to watch also. He had great statistics going against top talent, will he put up the same numbers at VT?
Personally, I think he will and Franklin will come out of this looking like a great coach, until he gets trounced by Clemson etc. and the big game James start at VT
He def will improve VT's record just by the amount of talent he has brought ( transfers ) in..but 100% agree if he loses any "big" game match ups ; Maryland , BC , Pitt , Clemson and of course Miami...the critics will be jumping all over him..again...
 
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Scattebo’s total rushing yards in 2024 against the following:
Texas State: 62
Texas Tech: 60
Cincinnati: 75
Kansas State: 73

Try harder.
He gained 1711 yards in 2024, so he must have run all over all of the other defenses that he faced, including 143 in the Peach Bowl against Texas, which made the Final Four and had future NFL draft picks all over its lineup.
 

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He def will improve VT's record just by the amount of talent he has brought ( transfers ) in..but 100% agree if he loses any "big" game match ups ; Maryland , BC , Pitt , Clemson and of course Miami...the critics will be jumping all over him..again...
It won't take much for him to win a lot games at VT in that conference. Even last season, they lost several one score ACC games.
 
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He gained 1711 yards in 2024, so he must have run all over all of the other defenses that he faced, including 143 in the Peach Bowl against Texas, which made the Final Four and had future NFL draft picks all over its lineup.


How does that pertain to Campbell/PSU stopping the run or running the ball? Why did his bulked up OL only gain 38yds rushing on Ohio Bobcats?
 

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He def will improve VT's record just by the amount of talent he has brought ( transfers ) in..but 100% agree if he loses any "big" game match ups ; Maryland , BC , Pitt , Clemson and of course Miami...the critics will be jumping all over him..again...


If he wins they wont be considered big games.
 

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How does that pertain to Campbell/PSU stopping the run or running the ball? Why did his bulked up OL only gain 38yds rushing on Ohio Bobcats?
Why don't we just wait to see how his tenure plays out? Some of you remind me of certain politicians in this country who are rooting against our military in this Iran engagement just because of who the President is. The fact is that Campbell is the head coach now and he's making decisions that he believes will benefit the program. Neither you nor I knows for sure how this will play out. He could end up being even more successful than the previous coach or be a complete failure. My guess is that he eventually will build PSU into the type of prgram that has similar success as we had under Franklin, albeit in a more blue collar manner.

Finally, after watching how the d-line as a whole performed last season, if you don't believe that PSU's d-line needed to become heavier, then I frankly don't know what you were watching.
 

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Campbell has been on A lists, for those willing to wait; he does not entertain openings until after ISU's season is done.
Well, as to that silly trope:

1) There were, IIRC, 3 P4 hires made before ISU's season ended - Virginia Tech, Stanford, and Oklahoma State. All the rest, IIRC, came after.

2) Even if one still wants to posit the "won't look until after season is over" trope:
Campbell DID leave ISU before their season was supposed to be over.
They were, of course, in line to play a bowl game - but Campbell skidaddled before that - which led to mass exodus, and ISU saying "we can't play a game with what we have left"

There was NOTHING holding back other schools (aside from, at most, VT, Stanford, and Oklahoma State) from hiring Campbell. Nothing aside from the fact that they preferred other options.

Hey, maybe PSU fell into the best new coach hire of the season. Time - and only time - will tell. But Campbell "waiting until after the season was over" was surely not a reason why.
 

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I like Campbell, and I think he has a chance to be successful here.

But he needs to prove it, and anyone who is ready to start proclaiming him as great is getting way out in front of their skis.
 

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What did ISU win?

Last month we were copying Indiana and this month it is Michigan. Are we bringing in Conner stallions too?

Copycats rarely have the same success. They miss details. They are also late to the party. Everyone else already adjusted.
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6.9 wins a season average vs lesser talent. Won a few big games and lost to Northern Iowa, Ohio Bobcats, Memphis, kstate, kansas, WVU(3x) and so on.
 
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Why don't we just wait to see how his tenure plays out? Some of you remind me of certain politicians in this country who are rooting against our military in this Iran engagement just because of who the President is. The fact is that Campbell is the head coach now and he's making decisions that he believes will benefit the program. Neither you nor I knows for sure how this will play out. He could end up being even more successful than the previous coach or be a complete failure. My guess is that he eventually will build PSU into the type of prgram that has similar success as we had under Franklin, albeit in a more blue collar manner.

Finally, after watching how the d-line as a whole performed last season, if you don't believe that PSU's d-line needed to become heavier, then I frankly don't know what you were watching.

Praytell what politician is "rooting against our military"?

There are, however, politicians on both sides of the aisle who don't want to see more bodies thrown at the war which didn't have credible basis/rationale or a well-thought out strategic end-game.

That's much different than the current part-time resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave who wanted the US economy to tank when Biden was in office.

As for Campbell, it's true that we will just have to wait and see, but based on his track record and comparative coaching acumen, I'd say there is more reason to hope than just continuing with the same ol', same ol'.
 
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Praytell what politician is "rooting against our military"?

There are, however, politicians on both sides of the aisle who don't want to see more bodies thrown at the war which didn't have credible basis/rationale or a well-thought out strategic end-game.

That's much different than the current part-time resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave who wanted the US economy to tank when Biden was in office.

As for Campbell, it's true that we will just have to wait and see, but based on his track record and comparative coaching acumen, I'd say there is more reason to hope than just continuing with the same ol', same ol'.
Let's not play games about who's rooting against our military in this Iran operation. Just turn on any cable news network or listen to any news radio station and listen to the comments of the so-called "leaders" of the opposition party. They may not come out and explicitly say that they're rooting against our military, but their comments indicate that they wouldn't exactly be disappointed if this operation was less than successful and even have said that so far it has been less than successful, which is just totally untrue. Fortunately, I don't think that they're going to get their idiotic wish.
 
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He gained 1711 yards in 2024, so he must have run all over all of the other defenses that he faced, including 143 in the Peach Bowl against Texas, which made the Final Four and had future NFL draft picks all over its lineup.
He sure did but I guess Texas State, Texas Tech, Cincinnati and Kansas State must have all been loaded with future NFL Hall of Famers in 2024 huh? Interesting how those “too light” PSU defensive linemen held a better back, Jeanty, to 104 yards on 30 carries. Look I support Campbell and hope he brings the success Kraft promised but some posters on here think that bigger defensive linemen automatically means better run defense. Hope so, but I want to see it first.
 

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Why don't we just wait to see how his tenure plays out? Some of you remind me of certain politicians in this country who are rooting against our military in this Iran engagement just because of who the President is. The fact is that Campbell is the head coach now and he's making decisions that he believes will benefit the program. Neither you nor I knows for sure how this will play out. He could end up being even more successful than the previous coach or be a complete failure. My guess is that he eventually will build PSU into the type of prgram that has similar success as we had under Franklin, albeit in a more blue collar manner.

Finally, after watching how the d-line as a whole performed last season, if you don't believe that PSU's d-line needed to become heavier, then I frankly don't know what you were watching.
Did you watch the undersized DL hold Jeanty to 104 yards on 30 carries?
 

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Let's not play games about who's rooting against our military in this Iran operation. Just turn on any cable news network or listen to any news radio station and listen to the comments of the so-called "leaders" of the opposition party. They may not come out and explicitly say that they're rooting against our military, but their comments indicate that they wouldn't exactly be disappointed if this operation was less than successful and even have said that so far it has been less than successful, which is just totally untrue. Fortunately, I don't think that they're going to get their idiotic wish.
C'mon people. are you all on drugs? mass parnoia? wtf, this is a thread about style of coaching, style of play, and lineman size.

Our country is f'ed if we can't have a conversation without dividing ourselves on other issues. It's like an f'in free for all in here.
 

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He sure did but I guess Texas State, Texas Tech, Cincinnati and Kansas State must have all been loaded with future NFL Hall of Famers in 2024 huh? Interesting how those “too light” PSU defensive linemen held a better back, Jeanty, to 104 yards on 30 carries. Look I support Campbell and hope he brings the success Kraft promised but some posters on here think that bigger defensive linemen automatically means better run defense. Hope so, but I want to see it first.
He also had 158 against Utah, 147 against BYU, 170 against our ball coach's old team and 143 against texas.

BYU was 33, Utan was 35, Texas was 13 in rush D that yr. So he sometimes ran great against good run defenses and sometimes got bottled up against not so good. We all know that part of defense is having the lead vs not and that dictates how much teams run vs pass.

PSU was 9th against the run that year and ISU was 110.

Jeanty vs Skattboo is not a good way to judge anyhow, two different offenses and schemes. Plus Skatt was better in the NFL last year until he got another round of CTE haha.



Last year ISU was 50, PSU was 56. Take away PSU's non conference games and they fall further down.


I personally like the upgrade in size at DT, especially with so much turnover, but either way, this dick pulling contest is back to the same idea. People who loved Franklin and are mad he was fired will say whatever they can to prove their point and the ones who wanted him gone will find data to prove their point.
 
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C'mon people. are you all on drugs? mass parnoia? wtf, this is a thread about style of coaching, style of play, and lineman size.

Our country is f'ed if we can't have a conversation without dividing ourselves on other issues. It's like an f'in free for all in here.
apex glen wake the XXXX up about what is going on with your DEM. party! it is. called DIVIDE AND CONQUER by our enemies. this is more important than jockstraps.
 

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apex glen wake the XXXX up about what is going on with your DEM. party! it is. called DIVIDE AND CONQUER by our enemies. this is more important than jockstraps.
My party? I worked for Jubelirer.

Anyway, I suspect Campbell will go bigger with a solid ground game and Becht will take more shots downfield than Allar did. It's somewhat similar to Union College's offense (where are new coach learned coaching).
 

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He also had 158 against Utah, 147 against BYU, 170 against our ball coach's old team and 143 against texas.

BYU was 33, Utan was 35, Texas was 13 in rush D that yr. So he sometimes ran great against good run defenses and sometimes got bottled up against not so good. We all know that part of defense is having the lead vs not and that dictates how much teams run vs pass.

PSU was 9th against the run that year and ISU was 110.

Jeanty vs Skattboo is not a good way to judge anyhow, two different offenses and schemes. Plus Skatt was better in the NFL last year until he got another round of CTE haha.



Last year ISU was 50, PSU was 56. Take away PSU's non conference games and they fall further down.


I personally like the upgrade in size at DT, especially with so much turnover, but either way, this dick pulling contest is back to the same idea. People who loved Franklin and are mad he was fired will say whatever they can to prove their point and the ones who wanted him gone will find data to prove the


Isu was 50 counting their non conference?

Are you planning a parade?
 

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He also had 158 against Utah, 147 against BYU, 170 against our ball coach's old team and 143 against texas.

BYU was 33, Utan was 35, Texas was 13 in rush D that yr. So he sometimes ran great against good run defenses and sometimes got bottled up against not so good. We all know that part of defense is having the lead vs not and that dictates how much teams run vs pass.

PSU was 9th against the run that year and ISU was 110.

Jeanty vs Skattboo is not a good way to judge anyhow, two different offenses and schemes. Plus Skatt was better in the NFL last year until he got another round of CTE haha.



Last year ISU was 50, PSU was 56. Take away PSU's non conference games and they fall further down.


I personally like the upgrade in size at DT, especially with so much turnover, but either way, this dick pulling contest is back to the same idea. People who loved Franklin and are mad he was fired will say whatever they can to prove their point and the ones who wanted him gone will find data to prove their point.
I didn’t love Franklin and have said repeatedly that I have no problem with his firing. I also have said as often that I hope Campbell has the success Kraft promised. No points are proved here one way or another. Time will tell.
 

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C'mon people. are you all on drugs? mass parnoia? wtf, this is a thread about style of coaching, style of play, and lineman size.

Our country is f'ed if we can't have a conversation without dividing ourselves on other issues. It's like an f'in free for all in here.
Politics has become the new mental illness. Blind sheep on both sides brain rotted to the core. They can't help but make everything political.
 

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Absolutely.

Dems on the other hand make everything political. Healthcare, education, economics, crime, and even sports. Can't even hire a coach without Dems pushing their policies.
you are delusional if you think the Rs are any different- or any better
 
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That's how Harbaugh won three straight Big 10 titles and a NC at Michigan, and how UGA won two NCs in a row. I respected the overall job that Franklin did at PSU, but never liked at how PSU under his tenure was more style over substance, and that's why we never could take the last step under him.
You are absolutely correct....CJF was a finesse coach in a physical conference....and people were surprised he was 1-14 against top schools. Bigger problem then was he refused to adapt and consider he might need to change...he simply remained headstrong and stubborn.
 
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What did ISU win?

Last month we were copying Indiana and this month it is Michigan. Are we bringing in Conner stallions too?

Copycats rarely have the same success. They miss details. They are also late to the party. Everyone else already adjusted.
Apples and oranges. And what has PSU won playing finesse football? 1 meanigful game in a dozen years?

Let’s give the new guy a decade or so and then you can start whining.

BTW, running and stopping the run was our calling card for about a century of football. That seemed to be ok? Looks like we are trying to restore this. Where is it said we are copying Harbaugh? Maybe Harbaugh was copying Paterno?