How much different would our season had been if Pope's entire roster, Lowe, JQ, CW played all year?

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Would we have had the bad losses against Gonzaga and Vandy the losses against NC, UL, Bama?

No difference maybe worse. We had Lowe playing major minutes in 7 games and lost 4 of 7.
Had a full roster against Bama and Mizzou and lost both.
Lowe is very mediocre and cant shoot. He got his numbers at Pitt for playing a lot of minutes and shooting a lot because his shooting percentages are piss poor. Shot 26% last year for Pitt and 20% for us. Had a very mediocre A/TO ratio for Pitt.
JQ does not have an offensive game at all outside of dunking on open looks. Wish that would rub off on Moreno.
Bama switched until they got a guard on JQ and they would blow past him for the layup.

Maybe we win against Auburn? Maybe we lose 2x against UT with all of em playing.

But with the circumstances Aberdeen was knocking down shots and played at a high level in the place of Lowe. His A/TO ratio was higher for a season than Lowe was for a season. Aberdeen stretched the floor out and Lowe couldn't shoot so the defense packed it in.
Moreno was serviceable in the place of JQ. It wasnt like JQ was gonna play this year any how with a torn acl in march. Usually takes a year to get over that
 

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First of all, we can't say "all year" when it comes to JQ. There had to be ZERO expectation (other than from the annual 40-0 crowd) that JQ would play before Christmas. So for him, you can just say starting with SEC play.

We obviously would have been some better. JQ would have provided better defense, good shot blocking, good rebounding, been more consistent than the FR Moreno or than Garrison. JQ would especially have helped vs certain teams like Florida. But offensively, I'm not sure he would have helped much (beyond what we got from Moreno & Garrison).

Lowe would have helped, he was probably the 2nd closest thing we had (after Oweh) to someone who could go get a bucket when need one. His outside shooting wasn't good though, but he was quick enough to get past defenders even when they were giving him the jumper. But he would have allowed Aberdeen to play a role more like last year (but more minutes than last year) and relegated Johnson to the end of the bench.

Williams was starting to show some positive signs when he got hurt. But far from a start player, but a contributor. He would have helped on nights when Chandler was missing shots, and in certain defensive matchups.

Don't forget the 5 games MoD missed, but really just 2 important games (Gonzaga & UNC). UNC game was close enough, he would have probably been enough to push us to a win in that one.

Lastly, many forget that Oweh didn't practice/work-out much of the fall with a foot injury, and I think that is why he started so slow (13.7ppg first 9 games, 20.3ppg rest of season).

While better, with more options, and needing less contributions from the bottom 2-4 guys, a 100% healthy team still would not have had that 2nd or 3rd "go-to-guy" who can get you a basket when you need one. So I think a healthy team would have probably had 4-6 more wins, and walked into the SEC-T in 2nd-3rd place, with a 24-7 record & ranked around 10-12, and probably got a 3-seed in the NCAA-T.

If your gonna play the what ifs like that you need to do the same for other teams too.
What if no other teams had any injuries whatsoever. Or maybe what if Pearl did not retire at the start of the season.
Just stupid
 

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Kam Williams is a taller version of Trent Noah less the rebounding. Not a difference maker and his release is too low to get a shot off while being guarded.


He has a beautiful set shot, and range, but like you say, he can't create his own shot. I would bring him back though.
 
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I think we improve by a seed line or two. That’s 1.5 more wins or so.

I think with a healthy JQ, like anything close to he did against St. John’s on a semi-regular basis, we top out at like a 3 seed with some luck. We maybe steal a game we shouldn’t win to inflate that win total.

We top out in that 12-16 range with good luck. Moderate health and output gets us to to 20-25
 
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Would we have had the bad losses against Gonzaga and Vandy the losses against NC, UL, Bama?
A healthy roster probably gets regular season wins vs UNCheats, Mizzuruh, Georgia, Allbarn, and maybe one win against Florida. Four of those 5 makes us 23-8 going into the SECT. Go 2-1 in the SECT, and we're 25-9 and probably a 5 seed and maybe still playing..or maybe not.
 
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What if we had all our guys playing??
Well here ya go!



Orrrrrrr we could use the St. John’s game as a template. JQ went up against an elite big. The preseason Big East POY and absolutely dominated him on both ends of the floor in his FIRST action in nine months, give or take. He made senior Ejifor look like a middle schooler out there. Was an absolute interior force. I think this was probably the only game in which he was fully healthy. Even if not, everyone could see the potential in that game.

Then, Lowe had an amazing second half. Our offense looked completely different once he returned to play in that game. Lowe got to his spots anytime he wanted. Our other guards couldn’t handle the pressure. Could barely get the ball over halfcourt. Lowe picked St. John’s apart. If it weren’t for Lowe and JQ, we lose that game by double figures.

Yeah, they might not have looked great in a couple games after that, but the potential of the team with those two playing was undeniable. If we would’ve had that full roster available the rest of the season, the team would’ve been infinitely better. I mean, just playing Lowe all of JJ’s minutes and JQ playing some of BG, Jelly, Mo and MM’s minutes would have been a major improvement IMO.

EDIT: Let’s not forget, Lowe was actually still injured. All the games he played was with basically one arm. Didn’t get to see him fully healthy either.
 
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It’s just an excuse by Pope Pumpers because that’s the only excuse they have for a terrible season. This roster was bad from the beginning
Well, all the analysts didn’t seem to think so. Field of 68 was gushing over our roster over the summer. Them, along with many, many others. Hell, they were ranked top 10 preseason. Oh, and almost all the summer reports said Lowe had been our best guard by a wide margin.
 
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I think we would have been much, much better but still not championship caliber. Maybe closer to where Alabama or UT was and look what happened to them. If our season had been without the embarrassing losses and we still had the two wins against UT, the ST. John's win, the IU win, Vandy, Arkansas and close games against Gonzaga, I'll bet the loss in the tourney would not have most people calling for Pope's head already.
 

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They MAYBE win two more games, Maybe. Problem is Aberdeen likely doesn’t breakout and we’d have Lowe making bad decisions and chucking up bad shots all year.

The couple games everyone played we lost IIRC.
 

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I'd say 5 more wins would certainly be possible if you had a healthy Lowe, Williams, for the year and a healthy JQ from St Johns on. I'm not sure about the games you mention but Mizzou, Texas, Georgia, Auburn and Texas A&M are certainly realistic and then you would have the advantage of a higher seed. Winning at least one or two games out of Bama, Vandy, NC, Loserville and Florida would not have been out of question with a full roster either.
5 or more isn’t realistic you got blue tinted glasses on. Lowe wasn’t that good or pope would be trying to keep him around. Maybe 2-3 at most
 
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Honestly it would've been even worse. Neither jq nor lowe fit anything we wanted to do and Pope could not adjust to their skillsets. Just as bad, Pope kept trying to play everyone.

That's why we actually improved when those guys' injury status taking them off the board immediately made us start looking better.