It seems that the consensus is that Oklahoma State is the new rival…

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In a single match, absolutely but in a full team tournament I can’t see anyone coming close to PSU the next 2 years. These are historically great teams. So many things would have to go wrong for PSU and other teams would have to have the tournament of their lives. Is it possible? Sure. Not likely at all though

Even though he is only a sophomore, I have been keeping track of Sanchez this season. He blitzed his way through both of the qualifying tournaments for the state championship. This season he moved up to 120 pounds after winning a title at 106 his freshman year. He has definitely added on a lot of muscle in the last year, and is noticeably broader in his arms and shoulders. He is still undefeated in his California H.S. career. At this year's tournament he has senior Rocklin Zinkin in his bracket. Zinkin has made the Finals every season and has won it the last two seasons. He is committed to Oklahoma State and is ranked nationally at #2 behind Landon Sidun. If Sanchez wins the title this year he will further cement his credentials moving forward. Also, if Sanchez wins it again this year he will be half way toward the record of being California's only 4-time undefeated state champ. For those who don't know, California is a single classification state and has over 1000 high schools with a boys wrestling program.
Sanchez has pinned and teched his way into the semis. Zinkin has also dominated en route to the semis. Sanchez will face Henry Aslikyan, who is ranked #18 nationally. He is committed to Michigan. He is a reigning two-time champion, competing at 113 last season. He took bronze at 48kg at the 2024 U17 World Championships.
 
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Sanchez has pinned and teched his way into the semis. Zinkin has also dominated en route to the semis. Sanchez will face Henry Aslikyan, who is ranked #18 nationally. He is committed to Michigan. He is a reigning two-time champion, competing at 113 last season. He took bronze at 48kg at the 2024 U17 World Championships.
Sanchez beats Aslikyan 2-1 in tiebreakers. Will have Zinkin in the finals
 

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Blaze isn't going to be 133. It's going to be more like Sidun, Lilledahl, Blaze. Desmond could be 149 if he bulks up there.
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Sanchez beats Aslikyan 2-1 in tiebreakers. Will have Zinkin in the finals
Thanks. I decided to post my Sanchez updates in the PIAA thread. I am glad Sanchez won since I felt he was definitely the aggressor. Also, one of Sanchez's TD attempts sure looked like a TD to me, at least as to how they have been calling it in college.
 

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I saw okie state come out in their silly cowboy hats, and thought that was odd. I had heard DT say something to the effect that Stillwater was the epicenter of USA or college wrestling. I thought that was odd. Then I was rooting against iowa halfway through the 1st match.🤷
Every time I see those hats it reminds me of that A** H*** martial arts character in the old movie Best of the Best:

 
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Cael Will always have a slight edge just due to proximity alone. He is dead center of the best recruiting grounds in the country hands down. Yes, some kids will want a change of scenery but many would rather stay relatively close to home.

How many future stars are watching or at the PSU matches and just get hooked. Never been to Oklahoma but I'm sure it has great stuff to see/do but the kids already know what PSU has and will definitely have more exposure to them than Okie state.
Sticking your head up a cow's a** and going to school in Stillwater is a change of scenery.
 

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While I’m not interested in PSU going to the National Duals it would be nice to see them wrestle Ok State while they have the clear advantage. OSU might start building a win streak of their own, although V Tech could possibly beat them next year (if they are on schedule)
 
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While I’m not interested in PSU going to the National Duals it would be nice to see them wrestle Ok State while they have the clear advantage. OSU might start building a win streak of their own, although V Tech could possibly beat them next year (if they are on schedule)
Possible, but I don’t think Cael concerns himself too much with what other programs are doing. I think most of his energy is team introspective.
 
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Possible, but I do think Cael concerns himself too much with what other programs are doing. I think most of his energy is team introspective.
You are correct, and probably won’t wrestle them. That said, if we were going to I’d prefer to start within next two years. They could get inserted into that event where we wrestled Stanford and North Dakota State.
 

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Agree or disagree?
Just because Oklahoma State might be the second best program, it doesn’t make them a rival if we don’t ever compete against them. I’d say that Iowa and tOSU are still our primary rivals. Now, if we end up wrestling them in OOC dual meets then maybe so. I guess having a bunch of wrestlers from Oklahoma State face off against Penn State in the NCAA finals or tight point races between Oklahoma State for a few years might change this and result in a rivalry.
 
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Laser focus on the grand prize for sure, and whatever that takes scheduling-wise to give the team its best shot at its best performance - peaking during the 3rd weekend in March - is what the coaches will do. From my perspective over the years, that philosophy has been consistent and crystal clear. It is continually evolving too, so whether we talk about the National Duals, a dual meet with Oklahoma State in the future or whatever, these coaches boil each possible competition down to how it fits with the philosophy. Yes, they talk plenty about growing the sport, but have a difference of opinion with some coaches how to do that, which is ok. They just don't take to the airwaves to call out other coaches about their differences, like some do.

No event or dual is ever a hard NO, many are discussed each year, and heaven-only-knows what the future holds.

Oh, and just so I connect this with the OP's title; using Webster's definition of "rival" - "a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity" - suggests that absolutely Okie State is a rival. Probably not the definition some are using. I'd say Lehigh is our main in-state rival simply because it has been the most competitive in-state team to PSU over the years. Same with Iowa and Ohio State, they are the main conference rivals by virtue of being the most competitive with Penn State in wrestling over the past 17 years. Oklahoma State is heading towards the main rival status as the team most competitive with Penn State for the National Title...for now.
 
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Laser focus on the grand prize for sure, and whatever that takes scheduling-wise to give the team its best shot at its best performance - peaking during the 3rd weekend in March - is what the coaches will do. From my perspective over the years, that philosophy has been consistent and crystal clear. It is continually evolving too, so whether we talk about the National Duals, a dual meet with Oklahoma State in the future or whatever, these coaches boil each possible competition down to how it fits with the philosophy. Yes, they talk plenty about growing the sport, but have a difference of opinion with some coaches how to do that, which is ok. They just don't take to the airwaves to call out other coaches about their differences, like some do.

No event or dual is ever a hard NO, many are discussed each year, and heaven-only-knows what the future holds.

Oh, and just so I connect this with the OP's title; using Webster's definition of "rival" - "a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity" - suggests that absolutely Okie State is a rival. Probably not the definition some are using. I'd say Lehigh is our main in-state rival simply because it has been the most competitive in-state team to PSU over the years. Same with Iowa and Ohio State, they are the main conference rivals by virtue of being the most competitive with Penn State in wrestling over the past 17 years. Oklahoma State is heading towards the main rival status as the team most competitive with Penn State for the National Title...for now.

National Duals is a hard no for me with all of these matches in November when most of our lineup competes during the summer

but it would seem like it would be difficult to argue that the team would be more prepared for 3rd week in March but blowing out North Dakota State in late December as opposed to Oklahoma State. The annual dual could be in late December as part of the Collegiate Duals or instead of it.

The fact that it would be good for the sport is just a side benefit. Over the next few years OK State may separate as a clear #2 and if they put together a win streak of their own fans will rightly ask, can we get a dual please? Given that we know where this might head would rather get a piece of them next year or the following and nip it all in the butt
 

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If there is still anyone out there who doesn’t believe that DT and Ok St will be legit contenders by 2028 if not next year, you’re living with your head in the sand. DT came to Ok St, recruited a bunch of studs, and elevated two grad transfers from AAs to champs, beating two elite multi-champs in the process (Levi & Steveson), In his first year. In year two, his first recruiting class of studs produces three true freshman champs including the first two undefeated true freshman since 1947. They’re only getting better in the next several years. They are 2010-11 PSU, with the only difference that 2011 PSU didn’t have 2026 PSU standing in their way.

This has nothing to do with Penn State. PSU’s lineup next year will be one of the greatest collections of wrestling talent in the history of NCAA wrestling with multiple past & future world champs, and I will be less confident about their chances than I have been in years.
 

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If there is still anyone out there who doesn’t believe that DT and Ok St will be legit contenders by 2028 if not next year, you’re living with your head in the sand. DT came to Ok St, recruited a bunch of studs, and elevated two grad transfers from AAs to champs, beating two elite multi-champs in the process (Levi & Steveson), In his first year. In year two, his first recruiting class of studs produces three true freshman champs including the first two undefeated true freshman since 1947. They’re only getting better in the next several years. They are 2010-11 PSU, with the only difference that 2011 PSU didn’t have 2026 PSU standing in their way.

This has nothing to do with Penn State. PSU’s lineup next year will be one of the greatest collections of wrestling talent in the history of NCAA wrestling with multiple past & future world champs, and I will be less confident about their chances than I have been in years.
They will need to change their style or they aren’t catching us.

their 4 freshman finalists bonus points:
1 MD, 3 TF, 2 falls

our 3 freshman finishing 4th, 2nd, DNP
0 MD, 6 TF, 2 falls

with 1 more freshman wrestler they had 2 less bonus point matches. It’s way worse obviously if you add our other wrestlers versus theirs. Our key to putting up team point records each year is the style that we wrestler and outside of Jax who accounted for most of their freshman bonus points they aren’t doing that. I’ll be worried if I see them become more dominant.

PJ Duke 7 bonus points
Marcus Blaze 4.5

Robideau 0
Merrill 1.5
Vega 2

PJ finished 3rd but I think he may have provided more team points than Robideau. I’m sure he doesn’t love that consolation prize but it speaks to the threat from OkST. Taylor needs to not only have all his recruits hit but also start having his guys become much more dominant which hasn’t been their style to this point again Jax excluded.
 

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If there is still anyone out there who doesn’t believe that DT and Ok St will be legit contenders by 2028 if not next year, you’re living with your head in the sand. DT came to Ok St, recruited a bunch of studs, and elevated two grad transfers from AAs to champs, beating two elite multi-champs in the process (Levi & Steveson), In his first year. In year two, his first recruiting class of studs produces three true freshman champs including the first two undefeated true freshman since 1947. They’re only getting better in the next several years. They are 2010-11 PSU, with the only difference that 2011 PSU didn’t have 2026 PSU standing in their way.

This has nothing to do with Penn State. PSU’s lineup next year will be one of the greatest collections of wrestling talent in the history of NCAA wrestling with multiple past & future world champs, and I will be less confident about their chances than I have been in years.
They are very good but capped at 2nd for a bit. On next years team where do you see them closing the gap? Spratley isn’t beating Luke. Jax can only go down. PSU’s 141 (Ono, Blaze, Desmond) will definitely be better than this year. Swiderski or Raney or whoever goes at 149 can absolutely improve on their 8th place finish but SVN should make the finals again. I don’t think Robideau beats Kasak or Duke next year. Lockett can place but isn’t touching MM. Henckel, James, MM, or Duke will outperform Facundo. Rocco will outperform Ryder. No one is touching Barr. Ross is an elite prospect but I think Mirasola will place higher. I just can’t see any way where next year is closer than this year and I don’t think I’m being a homer. Ok ST will be great. PSU should have one of the best teams EVER
 

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Ross is impressive but Heavyweight requires time. Gable Steveson, yes that Gable Steveson, took third as a freshman. Bastida got embarrassed by freaking Lucas Davison. Trumble was pinned by Wyatt. Kirkvliet settled for third. And I can keep going. So let's pump the brakes on Ross. Also I have no question in my mind that eventually that weight cut will force that freaky tall kid from Tucson to move up to 149... and yes he could win that weight also, but DT is about to face a problem that Cael is next level with: How to handle log jams and weight cuts, because Jax and Vega looked absolutely enormous and kids don't grow in reverse...they might end up with the exact same issue Smith had: Too many kids cutting too much weight.
 

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They are very good but capped at 2nd for a bit. On next years team where do you see them closing the gap? Spratley isn’t beating Luke. Jax can only go down. PSU’s 141 (Ono, Blaze, Desmond) will definitely be better than this year. Swiderski or Raney or whoever goes at 149 can absolutely improve on their 8th place finish but SVN should make the finals again. I don’t think Robideau beats Kasak or Duke next year. Lockett can place but isn’t touching MM. Henckel, James, MM, or Duke will outperform Facundo. Rocco will outperform Ryder. No one is touching Barr. Ross is an elite prospect but I think Mirasola will place higher. I just can’t see any way where next year is closer than this year and I don’t think I’m being a homer. Ok ST will be great. PSU should have one of the best teams EVER
The only part of this is critique is the SVN should make the finals again. Henson is back, or bassett. Either one is no gimme and Valencia is just starting. SVN will be in a great group of top end guys next year
 

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Ross is impressive but Heavyweight requires time. Gable Steveson, yes that Gable Steveson, took third as a freshman. Bastida got embarrassed by freaking Lucas Davison. Trumble was pinned by Wyatt. Kirkvliet settled for third. And I can keep going. So let's pump the brakes on Ross. Also I have no question in my mind that eventually that weight cut will force that freaky tall kid from Tucson to move up to 149... and yes he could win that weight also, but DT is about to face a problem that Cael is next level with: How to handle log jams and weight cuts, because Jax and Vega looked absolutely enormous and kids don't grow in reverse...they might end up with the exact same issue Smith had: Too many kids cutting too much weight.
Kerkvliet was seeded 9th and finished 7th in his first NCAA tournament
 
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They are very good but capped at 2nd for a bit. On next years team where do you see them closing the gap? Spratley isn’t beating Luke. Jax can only go down. PSU’s 141 (Ono, Blaze, Desmond) will definitely be better than this year. Swiderski or Raney or whoever goes at 149 can absolutely improve on their 8th place finish but SVN should make the finals again. I don’t think Robideau beats Kasak or Duke next year. Lockett can place but isn’t touching MM. Henckel, James, MM, or Duke will outperform Facundo. Rocco will outperform Ryder. No one is touching Barr. Ross is an elite prospect but I think Mirasola will place higher. I just can’t see any way where next year is closer than this year and I don’t think I’m being a homer. Ok ST will be great. PSU should have one of the best teams EVER
+1 Even with Haines done, PSU has murderer's row 157-197 again next year. The only shot Oklahoma State has in those five weight classes to outpoint PSU is at 157. It almost doesn't matter what happens at the other five weight classes.

It will get incrementally closer over the next few years, and it's hard to see anybody beating Forrest or Vega in the near future, but with 10 weight classes it becomes a math problem for Oklahoma State.
 

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+1 Even with Haines done, PSU has murderer's row 157-197 again next year. The only shot Oklahoma State has in those five weight classes to outpoint PSU is at 157. It almost doesn't matter what happens at the other five weight classes.

It will get incrementally closer over the next few years, and it's hard to see anybody beating Forrest or Vega in the near future, but with 10 weight classes it becomes a math problem for Oklahoma State.
… and of course we hope that Ono will be the champ over one of those guys!
 
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While I think psu will retain the gap for another year or two, it could well close faster than some may think. Why? Because potential elite recruits now have a non-crazy coach alternative to the likes of brands, Ryan, manning, etc.

Curious as well to see if vatech can actually generate traction next year. (That’s an in season opponent I’d like to see).
 

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Ross is going to be a problem. Health will always be a concern but he is a 100% athlete who will be able to create his own attacks. I think top 5 right out of the gate. They are not going away and have become the clear number two team. Wrestling needed this and hopefully there is some way OSU and PSU can compete in either a tournament of dual during the season in the future. I so wish the Southern Scuffle was still a real thing with all of the teams that were competing there 10 years ago.
 

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Ross is going to be a problem. Health will always be a concern but he is a 100% athlete who will be able to create his own attacks. I think top 5 right out of the gate. They are not going away and have become the clear number two team. Wrestling needed this and hopefully there is some way OSU and PSU can compete in either a tournament of dual during the season in the future. I so wish the Southern Scuffle was still a real thing with all of the teams that were competing there 10 years ago.
I think Ross may be similar to Kerk. Low AA until he gets his weight up to a legit 240+. Doucet was 4th, so I think they last placement points at 285
 

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Ono could make 125, I don't even understand how Vega makes 141. As intriguing as this matchup would be, it isn't happening.
Ono can’t make 125. He got incredibly sick trying to get down with an allowance for the tournament in Japan recently. He is built like a fire hydrant. Super thick in the *** and legs. 133 is ideal but I think he would be just fine at 141